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Holden_C Donating Member (26 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-11 06:30 AM
Response to Reply #15
17. I know it is
yet I REFUSE to be a cheerleader just because he has a D after his name. Yes I grudgingly voted for him, to much of a BlueDog IMHO for my liking.

Unless of course the goal of DU is to be nothing more than a liberal version of FreeRepublic.

If calling O, O is against the rules, than it should be listed as a rule.

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  -Thus far, Obama has been unable to get us out of the Bush Depression. kentuck  Jun-04-11 05:31 AM   #0 
  - Huh...? This is not a depression (see 1930).  John_Adams   Jun-04-11 05:47 AM   #1 
  - Couldn't resist, huh?  kentuck   Jun-04-11 05:50 AM   #3 
  - If you don't know the difference, spend 10 or 15 minutes doing some research.  John_Adams   Jun-04-11 06:07 AM   #7 
     - A recession is when your neighbor loses his job..  Fumesucker   Jun-04-11 06:13 AM   #9 
     - You can say "depression" when you see 25% unemployment and a 25% drop in GDP.  John_Adams   Jun-04-11 06:51 AM   #25 
        - Ever been to Detroit? It is significantly worse than that  Taitertots   Jun-04-11 07:56 AM   #37 
        - Whatever...if you choose to base your economic summation on one city, rather than the whole  John_Adams   Jun-04-11 08:06 AM   #39 
           - 1% of the country is getting richer while the other 99% is getting significantly poorer  Taitertots   Jun-04-11 08:21 AM   #41 
              - Not that things aren't pretty bad now, but still, compared to the 1930s...  Silent3   Jun-04-11 09:12 AM   #48 
                 - All those problems were problems of the era, and would have lingered without the depression  Taitertots   Jun-04-11 09:42 AM   #51 
                 - Definitely technology provides us with a higher baseline, but that's my point  Silent3   Jun-04-11 04:59 PM   #87 
                    - That is not sufficient reason to dismiss the comparison  Taitertots   Jun-04-11 06:27 PM   #93 
                 - here's something you might want to read  StarsInHerHair   Jun-06-11 12:49 AM   #115 
                    - WHAT? LOOK HERE!!  StarsInHerHair   Jun-06-11 01:26 AM   #117 
        - How do you know it's not at 25%? If they calculated it the way they used to  ProfessionalLeftist   Jun-04-11 08:10 AM   #40 
        - So, is everyone supposed to disregard the entire dataset used to compile economic statistics,  John_Adams   Jun-04-11 08:48 AM   #44 
           - Just Ignore the "Official Lies"  Demeter   Jun-04-11 09:42 AM   #52 
           - Mr. Williams appears to be using the same dataset, as his plots track  John_Adams   Jun-04-11 12:22 PM   #63 
           - When the numbers are intentionally misleading.... Yes, absolutely  Taitertots   Jun-04-11 09:44 AM   #53 
           - The government economic numbers are manipulated BS.  Odin2005   Jun-04-11 02:47 PM   #79 
        - All depressions are not the Great Depression  kenny blankenship   Jun-04-11 10:48 AM   #58 
        - The problem with your hypothesis relates to the fact that the economy is actually growing.  John_Adams   Jun-04-11 12:25 PM   #64 
           - If you count the 60,000 jobs by McDonalds...  kentuck   Jun-04-11 12:46 PM   #68 
           - The economy was growing in 1934, too. That doesn't mean the Depression was over.  Odin2005   Jun-04-11 02:48 PM   #80 
        - Foreclosure rates are higher than during the "depression".  PassingFair   Jun-05-11 01:31 PM   #105 
     - And I like your sigline also.  kentuck   Jun-04-11 06:14 AM   #10 
        - No, I don't care much for democracy--it's unconstitutional.  John_Adams   Jun-04-11 06:33 AM   #18 
        - "LIBERTY!" Oh PLEASE don't tell me you're one of those Paul people.  HughBeaumont   Jun-04-11 07:16 AM   #31 
        - What are your objections to "liberty?"  John_Adams   Jun-04-11 07:56 AM   #38 
           - Because several visitors who mention the word "liberty" . . .  HughBeaumont   Jun-04-11 01:02 PM   #72 
              - I don't "worship" the founding fathers, but I think that they did a masterful job  John_Adams   Jun-04-11 07:07 PM   #95 
        - I think you are at the wrong website. That's a RW extremist talking point.  Odin2005   Jun-04-11 02:49 PM   #81 
           - My, how times have changed. During the time it was enacted, the Constitution  John_Adams   Jun-04-11 03:27 PM   #83 
        - The US will never get out of the Bush Depression by continuing almost all of junior's major  indepat   Jun-04-11 09:22 AM   #50 
        - this very could be an artificial person, a bot, made by that software prograam  StarsInHerHair   Jun-06-11 12:54 AM   #116 
  - I once heard that is was called a "Depression"  elocs   Jun-04-11 06:15 AM   #12 
  - It is no doubt possible that the US (and world) could experience a depression  John_Adams   Jun-04-11 06:47 AM   #22 
  - Actually, it was because Hoover didn't want to use the term "financial panic".  Odin2005   Jun-04-11 02:51 PM   #82 
  - "Sit down, John! Sit down, John!  eShirl   Jun-04-11 06:59 AM   #28 
  - LOL I love that play! Saw it years ago in Ford's theater in DC, good times! n/t  LiberalLoner   Jun-04-11 07:33 AM   #34 
  - Great show...! Saw it on Broadway in the 90s.  John_Adams   Jun-04-11 08:41 AM   #43 
  - Nevuh!!!!!!!!!!  treestar   Jun-04-11 08:52 AM   #47 
  - "Wealth inequality is as extreme today as it was during the Great Depression years.  tekisui   Jun-04-11 10:01 AM   #56 
  - What you cite is a problem, but unless the definition of the word "depression"  John_Adams   Jun-04-11 12:28 PM   #65 
  - Ben Nelson and Mary Landrieu are why we still have a Bush recession....  SugarShack   Jun-04-11 12:40 PM   #67 
  - Here's the analysis:  snot   Jun-04-11 02:20 PM   #74 
  - The economy was mostly growing again after 1933, it was still a depression.  Odin2005   Jun-04-11 02:43 PM   #77 
  - Here's a solution to try:  obxhead   Jun-04-11 05:49 AM   #2 
  - We need an Apollo moon shot program for clean, renewable energy sources  PuffedMica   Jun-04-11 06:14 AM   #11 
     - The Renewable energy industry is in its infancy...  John_Adams   Jun-04-11 07:27 AM   #33 
        - "most innovative lobbyists"  Hassin Bin Sober   Jun-04-11 08:48 AM   #45 
        - Why not pick the American people to be the winners and get off the "free market will save us" crap  PuffedMica   Jun-04-11 09:13 AM   #49 
           - The only way the American people win is when they do the "picking."  John_Adams   Jun-04-11 12:17 PM   #62 
              - Oh, now it is "Anti Matter" will save us  PuffedMica   Jun-04-11 12:47 PM   #69 
              - No, I don't have the solutions, but I am an optimistic dreamer...  John_Adams   Jun-04-11 07:10 PM   #97 
              - There is no such thing as a monopoly..  kentuck   Jun-04-11 12:50 PM   #70 
                 - You have accurately identified many of the problems...  John_Adams   Jun-04-11 07:12 PM   #99 
  - Yes, when one throws gasoline and blows oxygen on a raging fire  Demeter   Jun-04-11 05:52 AM   #4 
  - Yep, exactly  ixion   Jun-04-11 06:25 AM   #16 
  - The difference is that  Holden_C   Jun-04-11 05:57 AM   #5 
  - It's President Obama.... Not "O".  JTFrog   Jun-04-11 06:06 AM   #6 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-04-11 06:21 AM   #13 
     - Enjoy your stay. n/t  JTFrog   Jun-04-11 06:22 AM   #14 
     - lol  savalez   Jun-06-11 12:30 AM   #114 
     - This is the Democratic Underground.  kentuck   Jun-04-11 06:24 AM   #15 
     - I know it is  Holden_C   Jun-04-11 06:30 AM   #17 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-04-11 06:39 AM   #19 
           - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-04-11 06:42 AM   #20 
              - Not. Even. Close.  JTFrog   Jun-04-11 06:42 AM   #21 
                 - Gee what will make you happy?  Holden_C   Jun-04-11 06:48 AM   #23 
     - ROFL Holy Shit!  Number23   Jun-05-11 08:25 PM   #110 
  - If the Republicans actually delay ..  sendero   Jun-04-11 06:49 AM   #24 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-04-11 06:55 AM   #26 
     - I haven't forgotten..  sendero   Jun-04-11 06:57 AM   #27 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-04-11 07:06 AM   #30 
  - So the brave thing to do is to let us live with the consequences of  treestar   Jun-04-11 08:51 AM   #46 
  - "Smirk." - xCommander AWOL (R - Mission Accomplisher)  SpiralHawk   Jun-04-11 06:11 AM   #8 
  - What Obama has tried has been more of the same  MadHound   Jun-04-11 07:05 AM   #29 
  - It's Worked For Those Who Matter...The Ones Who Write The Big Checks  KharmaTrain   Jun-04-11 07:21 AM   #32 
  - One has to wonder what happened to the 2.5 million jobs and the  Obamanaut   Jun-04-11 07:37 AM   #35 
  - Private sector has added 2.1 million jobs in the last 15 months.  JoePhilly   Jun-04-11 09:57 AM   #55 
     - If 'added' did not mean 'replaced some that were lost', there would not  Obamanaut   Jun-04-11 12:37 PM   #66 
        - ... you can't read the graph apparently.  JoePhilly   Jun-04-11 02:34 PM   #75 
           - GITMO simply has to do with failed (empty) promises. At least 50K  Obamanaut   Jun-04-11 03:28 PM   #84 
  - You can't just make up definitions for words and be taken seriously  Motown_Johnny   Jun-04-11 07:42 AM   #36 
  - I disagree...  kentuck   Jun-04-11 10:43 AM   #57 
     - There's 'Depression' as you use the term and then there is 'Depression'  coalition_unwilling   Jun-05-11 01:20 PM   #103 
  - Too much credit to a dude that couldn't pour piss out of a boot...  blindpig   Jun-04-11 08:38 AM   #42 
  - The stimulus was sort of a joke. Every non ideological economist  mmonk   Jun-04-11 09:46 AM   #54 
  - I bash Obama as much as the next progressive, but every non-  coalition_unwilling   Jun-05-11 01:31 PM   #104 
  - Where Obama has failed  Horse with no Name   Jun-04-11 10:53 AM   #59 
  - I blame Rahm. He, of course, called me and my kind 'fucking retarded' so  coalition_unwilling   Jun-05-11 01:33 PM   #106 
  - Agree it's a depression .... however Obama's stimulus was only 20% or less of what was required ....  defendandprotect   Jun-04-11 11:09 AM   #60 
  - He should have focused on jobs first. I don't really think Mr. Obama is  theophilus   Jun-04-11 11:14 AM   #61 
  - He has been "unable" because he is using the republican ideology  me b zola   Jun-04-11 12:57 PM   #71 
  - 54,000 new jobs is suddenly bad, and the sky is falling?  bhikkhu   Jun-04-11 01:03 PM   #73 
  - The needs at least 150,000 new jobs per month to keep up with population growth.  Odin2005   Jun-04-11 02:45 PM   #78 
     - If its really a population problem, we might as well say so  bhikkhu   Jun-04-11 07:06 PM   #94 
        - The economy IS NOT in phenomenal shape. U6 figure is approaching  coalition_unwilling   Jun-05-11 01:36 PM   #107 
           - and how much of that is population added since 2000?  bhikkhu   Jun-05-11 07:44 PM   #108 
              - You said the economy is in 'phenomenal shape' (your words) and  coalition_unwilling   Jun-05-11 07:55 PM   #109 
                 - Now this is changing the subject a bit -  bhikkhu   Jun-05-11 08:49 PM   #111 
                    - I'm not aware of any textbook that puts forth your theory, probably  coalition_unwilling   Jun-05-11 09:39 PM   #112 
                       - Yes, an abundant cheap energy source would do it  bhikkhu   Jun-05-11 11:31 PM   #113 
  - All Obama has done is empower those who CAUSED the depression in the first place.  Odin2005   Jun-04-11 02:42 PM   #76 
  - Actually,  ProSense   Jun-04-11 03:42 PM   #85 
  - Why the discrepencies in these graphs?  tekisui   Jun-04-11 05:04 PM   #88 
     - That  ProSense   Jun-04-11 05:42 PM   #90 
        - Interesting, thanks for the clarification. The second seems more accurate,  tekisui   Jun-04-11 06:10 PM   #92 
  - Has he tried ending the wars and and killing the Bush tax cuts?  lame54   Jun-04-11 04:29 PM   #86 
  - I don't know why he hasn't tried some new deal type programs....  Little Star   Jun-04-11 05:18 PM   #89 
  - Bear in mind, Bush dug us into a pretty deep hole . . .  martymar64   Jun-04-11 06:01 PM   #91 
  - "Tried everything?" Uh, no. n/t  lumberjack_jeff   Jun-04-11 07:07 PM   #96 
  - I think you misquote?  kentuck   Jun-04-11 07:17 PM   #100 
     - "Americans can be counted upon to do the right thing, after they've exhausted the alternatives."  lumberjack_jeff   Jun-05-11 11:43 AM   #101 
  - He needs to try harder: jobs program, public inv projects, bring jobs back to U.S.  franzia99   Jun-04-11 07:11 PM   #98 
  - And, unwilling to get us out of Bush's wars.  Tierra_y_Libertad   Jun-05-11 11:48 AM   #102 
  - Look a little closer at that stimulus  jmowreader   Jun-06-11 02:29 AM   #118 
  - Pres has 1 chance to "WIN THE FUTURE" by focusing "stimulus" on "new industry" job creation  Distant Observer   Jun-06-11 03:58 AM   #119 

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