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  -PHOTOS: A rare glimpse into daily life in North Korea (VERY pic heavy) Very_Boring_Name  May-29-11 11:11 AM   #0 
  - fascinating pictures.  Old and In the Way   May-29-11 11:18 AM   #1 
  - Lewis Black made a joke that NK, the whole country, is actually in black and white  Taverner   May-29-11 11:24 AM   #3 
  - And the fact that not another human is on the streets..  snooper2   May-31-11 10:15 AM   #115 
  - The empty 10 lane road was most striking.  kick-ass-bob   May-31-11 01:09 PM   #143 
     - I guess everyone is either in the military or in workcamps.  smirkymonkey   May-31-11 01:33 PM   #161 
  - And aside from the figure skater and the group siting, everyone is standing at attention.  Javaman   May-31-11 11:22 AM   #124 
  - A real life city of Lego blocks.  Uncle Joe   May-31-11 03:13 PM   #198 
  - And almost all the people in the photos  Mojorabbit   May-31-11 08:40 PM   #267 
  - Fascinating (and pretty tightly regimented, too). Thank you. nt  Buns_of_Fire   May-29-11 11:21 AM   #2 
  - The city looks like a mausoleum.  Ikonoklast   May-29-11 11:27 AM   #4 
  - "mausoleum"- that was the word I was looking for!  Poll_Blind   May-29-11 11:29 AM   #10 
  - They have an odd timelessness to them...  Javaman   May-31-11 11:23 AM   #125 
  - The empty streets looked like a neutron bomb had gone off eom  GCP   May-30-11 09:20 AM   #98 
  - What a wasteland. And what beautiful people. They are under a ghastly opression.  Poll_Blind   May-29-11 11:28 AM   #5 
  - ...ghastly....  Hannah Bell   May-29-11 03:32 PM   #58 
  - Not one smile  proud2BlibKansan   May-29-11 11:28 AM   #6 
  - Beat me too it.  Deep13   May-29-11 11:29 AM   #9 
  - perhaps because the photos are selected for that impression.  Hannah Bell   May-29-11 02:25 PM   #39 
  - Really?  SixString   May-29-11 11:57 PM   #79 
     - Smiles  Zaruka   May-30-11 09:15 AM   #96 
  - No one is smiling...  Deep13   May-29-11 11:28 AM   #7 
  - always funny to see the huge assumptions people make based on a limited body of evidence: NK smiles  Hannah Bell   May-29-11 02:23 PM   #38 
  - Bingo on the foreign capital motive. That is what got me questioning  jwirr   May-29-11 02:56 PM   #52 
  - seems to be the one thing all these "evil" places have in common: once  Hannah Bell   May-29-11 03:27 PM   #57 
  - What assumptions did I make?  Deep13   May-30-11 10:20 AM   #99 
  - actually, even in those photos there are some people smiling, as another poster pointed out.  Hannah Bell   May-30-11 02:13 PM   #100 
  - Pictures are awesome!!!  onpatrol98   May-31-11 06:02 PM   #238 
  - Have you seen the entire DRPK Flickr group? I have.  joshcryer   May-31-11 07:07 PM   #249 
  - They also use a common method many don't notice.  RandomThoughts   May-30-11 01:12 AM   #81 
  - This picture sums it up nicely  Abin Sur   May-29-11 11:29 AM   #8 
  - +1  Poll_Blind   May-29-11 11:32 AM   #11 
  - They would be nice skys for star gazing. n/t  daleo   May-29-11 04:39 PM   #63 
     - yep, until you get hungry and need a sam-wich  snooper2   May-31-11 10:23 AM   #116 
  - Wow, those are amazing photos. I hope some day these people become free.  stevedeshazer   May-29-11 11:33 AM   #12 
  - I certainly hope we're not the ones who bring freedom to them.  Initech   May-29-11 12:07 PM   #26 
     - Reunification is only a matter of time. The Koreans will sort it out.  joshcryer   May-31-11 07:25 PM   #255 
  - recommend  xchrom   May-29-11 11:33 AM   #13 
  - The bldgs remind me of Henry Ford of almost a century ago.  lpbk2713   May-29-11 11:34 AM   #14 
  - In a Hayao Miyazaki movie, this would be the creepy place. nt  sufrommich   May-29-11 11:35 AM   #15 
  - That's a cheerful looking bunch  Canuckistanian   May-29-11 11:37 AM   #16 
  - Interesting but I wish there were more spontaneous photographs  Armstead   May-29-11 11:40 AM   #17 
  - They can be found  izquierdista   May-29-11 11:58 AM   #22 
  - That group on flickr was something else  rurallib   May-29-11 01:05 PM   #32 
  - Thanks  Armstead   May-29-11 03:03 PM   #55 
  - They aren't big on that sort of thing  WatsonT   May-29-11 12:40 PM   #28 
     - give it a rest.  Hannah Bell   May-29-11 02:40 PM   #45 
        - Anyone who thinks that the pictures North Koreas government shows to the world  WatsonT   May-30-11 04:37 PM   #104 
           - the photos under discussion were taken by a western photographer.  Hannah Bell   May-31-11 12:45 PM   #130 
              - Even westerners are escorted and only allowed to see what the regime wants them to  WatsonT   May-31-11 04:33 PM   #204 
                 - do you?  Hannah Bell   Jun-01-11 02:13 AM   #279 
                    - Here, educate yourself  WatsonT   Jun-01-11 08:46 AM   #291 
  - 'people going about their daily lives'.....?  FirstLight   May-29-11 11:41 AM   #18 
  - ...here's some...  Hannah Bell   May-29-11 03:33 PM   #59 
  - Thanks for posting. All the pics look very natural (yeah, that's it) and give a thorough...  Scuba   May-29-11 11:48 AM   #19 
  - What a surreeal empty place--no people on the streets other than one individual at  Mist   May-29-11 11:48 AM   #20 
  - No cars, buses, bicycles, trams, motorcycles...  XemaSab   May-29-11 01:51 PM   #34 
  - you should ask why the photographer chose not to portray the traffic, buses,  Hannah Bell   May-30-11 03:42 AM   #91 
     - You are now the official DU spokeswoman for North Korea  snooper2   May-31-11 10:34 AM   #117 
     - so rebutting obvious falsehood = being "the official du spokeswoman for nk"?  Hannah Bell   May-31-11 12:49 PM   #131 
     - There's also probably at least one Lambo, a random Clapton concert  snooper2   May-31-11 01:11 PM   #145 
     - more simply contrasting one set of evidence with another...  LanternWaste   May-31-11 01:30 PM   #158 
        - Actually, any evidence that is accompanied by minders is by default unrepresentative.  joshcryer   May-31-11 07:10 PM   #250 
     - She is presenting another view of NK. We know we get  sabrina 1   May-31-11 05:12 PM   #222 
        - Actually, the OP doesn't present anything but some pictures.  joshcryer   May-31-11 07:11 PM   #251 
           - People are free to walk under moving trains.  sabrina 1   May-31-11 09:16 PM   #270 
              - It's not that I look for reasons to disagree with anyone. I just dislike totalitarian cheerleaders.  joshcryer   Jun-01-11 02:10 AM   #278 
                 - lol. you're certainly consistent, joshy.  Hannah Bell   Jun-01-11 02:14 AM   #280 
                 - Thank you.  joshcryer   Jun-01-11 02:20 AM   #283 
                 - What about cheerleaders for islamic militants who are whitewashed by the Western press?  JVS   Jun-01-11 09:07 AM   #294 
                 - Good question!  sabrina 1   Jun-01-11 01:38 PM   #296 
                 - And once again, you make false assumptions  sabrina 1   Jun-01-11 01:26 PM   #295 
     - Then why don't they show up in Google Earth images?  jberryhill   May-31-11 04:52 PM   #213 
     - yes, the pictures of trains, busses & bicycles taken by many photographers are all fake.  Hannah Bell   Jun-01-11 02:01 AM   #276 
        - Well it's good that you realize it now  jberryhill   Jun-01-11 07:18 AM   #290 
     - The streets are largely empty of any kind of traffic most of the time.  joshcryer   May-31-11 07:05 PM   #248 
        - i agree, they're largely empty of traffic in comparison with the west.  Hannah Bell   Jun-01-11 02:04 AM   #277 
           - Sure. Compaerd to western standards there is little lighting.  joshcryer   Jun-01-11 02:15 AM   #281 
  - They keep them open for military parades  underpants   May-29-11 02:26 PM   #40 
  - When were these taken, and with what camera?  Dreamer Tatum   May-29-11 11:50 AM   #21 
  - OMG, most fake, forced pics ever  rainbow4321   May-29-11 12:01 PM   #23 
  - I visited East Germany once and noticed everyone was looking at me.  FourScore   May-29-11 12:03 PM   #24 
  - A land of limitless concrete and strictly-rationed smiles.  leveymg   May-29-11 12:06 PM   #25 
  - Good call  XemaSab   May-29-11 01:58 PM   #35 
  - Another truly astonishing set of photos! - Russia in color from 1910.  leveymg   May-29-11 02:39 PM   #44 
  - Do you have any link(s) as you make it sound  truedelphi   Jun-01-11 08:46 PM   #298 
  - +1  leftstreet   May-31-11 07:03 PM   #247 
  - lol. i saw scenes like that in japan. did you notice the power line?  Hannah Bell   May-29-11 02:43 PM   #47 
     - Yes, I commented on that - I liked the unposed photos you linked to -  leveymg   May-29-11 02:53 PM   #51 
  - The city's architecture looks like prisons  graywarrior   May-29-11 12:18 PM   #27 
  - That was my impression as well  PatSeg   May-29-11 12:46 PM   #29 
  - lol. i could take pictures of similar architecture in any number of places.  Hannah Bell   May-29-11 03:02 PM   #54 
     - As a whole...?  LanternWaste   May-31-11 01:32 PM   #160 
  - looks like he was allowed only where the wealthy live  La Lioness Priyanka   May-29-11 12:51 PM   #30 
  - "Daily life" is kind of a stretch, there.  Brickbat   May-29-11 12:55 PM   #31 
  - sad bleak place,  shireen   May-29-11 01:44 PM   #33 
  - ...  Hannah Bell   May-29-11 03:18 PM   #56 
     - So perhaps instead of reposting pictures of smiling and happy  Puglover   May-29-11 04:52 PM   #66 
     - You can't judge a place by half a dozen pictures taken out of context.  wickerwoman   May-29-11 11:10 PM   #74 
     - i'm trying to say that people in nk smile, despite the propaganda which says they don't.  Hannah Bell   May-30-11 01:40 AM   #83 
        - Alrighty then.  Puglover   May-30-11 07:18 AM   #92 
        - several people on this thread have commented on the lack of smiles, as  Hannah Bell   May-30-11 02:20 PM   #101 
           - First of all, it's not just the "US" media  snooper2   May-31-11 10:52 AM   #119 
              - I love that magazine; read it every week!  DutchLiberal   May-31-11 11:06 AM   #120 
              - "glorify" = lol. yeah, allowing that nkoreans smile is surely glorification.  Hannah Bell   May-31-11 12:38 PM   #129 
                 - You're spreading propaganda photo's all over this thread...  DutchLiberal   May-31-11 01:03 PM   #137 
              - it's not "funny" at all, since nk's sponsors = capitalist.  Hannah Bell   May-31-11 12:36 PM   #128 
                 - you make Kim Jong-il proud...  snooper2   May-31-11 01:14 PM   #146 
                    - nk isn't a client state of our capitalist trading partner & most favored nation, CHINA?  Hannah Bell   May-31-11 01:19 PM   #151 
                    - um, I didn't comment on China being a backer..  snooper2   May-31-11 01:37 PM   #165 
                       - It's not funny. It's CRAZY. Pure and utter CRAZY.  DutchLiberal   May-31-11 04:57 PM   #217 
                          - When you accuse someone of "reciting NK State TV Scripts",...  Vanje   May-31-11 05:11 PM   #221 
                             - "don't look to be suffering too dreadfully"  joshcryer   May-31-11 07:36 PM   #259 
                                - it's always nice when people take part of a statement to make it say something it didn't.  Hannah Bell   Jun-01-11 02:17 AM   #282 
                                   - Yeah, one picture tells you enough about them to determine their level of suffering.  joshcryer   Jun-01-11 02:26 AM   #285 
                                      - lol. you misrepresented what i said, and still are. "Don't *look* to be suffering".  Hannah Bell   Jun-01-11 02:34 AM   #288 
                                         - Yes, to me they don't look to be suffering or look to be happy, either.  joshcryer   Jun-01-11 02:38 AM   #289 
                    - WOW! That's taken CLEAR from North Korea's state television...  DutchLiberal   May-31-11 04:54 PM   #214 
                       - who outside North Korea does believe that?  fishwax   Jun-01-11 03:04 PM   #297 
        - I could post smiling prisoners, too.  Union Scribe   May-31-11 05:35 PM   #229 
     - nice photos!  shireen   May-30-11 01:06 AM   #80 
     - The GDP of North Korea is $1,800 per person.  lumberjack_jeff   May-31-11 09:24 PM   #272 
  - Hmmm, the article below is talking about starving in NKO. These  jwirr   May-29-11 02:02 PM   #36 
  - this photographer was in the countryside as well as the city. though  Hannah Bell   May-29-11 02:32 PM   #42 
     - That is interesting. Thanks for the insight.  jwirr   May-29-11 02:41 PM   #46 
        - a selection of smiling north koreans:  Hannah Bell   May-29-11 02:45 PM   #49 
           - Are these the same North-Koreans who are dying of starvation, or who are being sent to prison camps?  DutchLiberal   May-31-11 11:11 AM   #122 
              - they are koreans smiling natural smiles. your agenda is obviously something else.  Hannah Bell   May-31-11 12:57 PM   #134 
                 - Why don't you just answer the question, instead of making up conspiracy theories?  DutchLiberal   May-31-11 01:04 PM   #139 
                    - i don't answer questions put to me by posters who make false claims about me.  Hannah Bell   May-31-11 01:07 PM   #142 
                       - No, you don't answer questions, because, if you were honest, you would make a fool out of yourself.  DutchLiberal   May-31-11 01:17 PM   #150 
                       - Very telling dodge. n/t.  apocalypsehow   May-31-11 05:51 PM   #235 
  - So. Those are the ones who get to eat? n/t  UTUSN   May-29-11 02:20 PM   #37 
  - North Korean back-hoe operators dress rather differently  underpants   May-29-11 02:29 PM   #41 
  - Add some chemicals and an irrigation system,  MattSh   May-30-11 02:22 AM   #88 
  - Reminds me of the Twilight Zone episode  The Velveteen Ocelot   May-29-11 02:34 PM   #43 
  - Extra creepy especially the train ride...  PCIntern   May-29-11 02:56 PM   #53 
  - The replies of a certain member in this thread reminds me of the Twilight Zone...  DutchLiberal   May-31-11 11:08 AM   #121 
     - please link to those posts "glorifying" nk. you are prevaricating.  Hannah Bell   May-31-11 12:58 PM   #135 
     - I didn't mention your name. But hey, if the shoe fits...  DutchLiberal   May-31-11 01:03 PM   #138 
        - yep, you can't. prevaricating.  Hannah Bell   May-31-11 01:06 PM   #140 
        - ALL of your replies in this thread... I don't have to link them, because they ARE IN HERE.  DutchLiberal   May-31-11 01:15 PM   #147 
           - then you should be able to link one. can't, won't. prevaricating.  Hannah Bell   May-31-11 01:16 PM   #149 
              - You can repeat it a thousand times, dear, that won't make them go away.  DutchLiberal   May-31-11 01:22 PM   #153 
                 - as there are no posts on this thread "glorifying nk," i'm not too worried. whereas your false claim  Hannah Bell   May-31-11 01:27 PM   #157 
                    - Everybody can read how you're calling factual claims about N-K "capitalist propaganda"...  DutchLiberal   May-31-11 01:34 PM   #163 
                       - lol. if a small one isn't good enough, tell some even bigger whoppers.  Hannah Bell   May-31-11 02:18 PM   #178 
                          - Why don't you just DENY it then? DENY my claims! Why don't you?  DutchLiberal   May-31-11 02:23 PM   #179 
        - Really? This is a 10 year old's argument.  kick-ass-bob   May-31-11 01:24 PM   #155 
           - She's glorifying it by aggresively combatting known FACTS about the awfullness that is N-K...  DutchLiberal   May-31-11 01:42 PM   #167 
              - Spot-on post. +1. Especially your second-to-last sentence. n/t.  apocalypsehow   May-31-11 05:29 PM   #225 
     - It's really flabbergasting, isn't it? I have seen some crazy stuff on the internet, but defending  apocalypsehow   May-31-11 05:28 PM   #224 
        - Who is defending NK Dictatorship?  Vanje   May-31-11 05:40 PM   #231 
           - If you can't comprehend the words on the screen in front of you, that's not my problem.  apocalypsehow   May-31-11 05:49 PM   #234 
              - You cant find a quote  Vanje   May-31-11 06:03 PM   #240 
                 - I haven't been able to read the entire thread, but it looks like a combination of derision...  joshcryer   May-31-11 07:40 PM   #260 
                    - of course, that is not the full quote, but i don't expect honesty from you.  Hannah Bell   Jun-01-11 02:24 AM   #284 
                       - It conveys the hypocrisy well. Accusing others of judging based on an image...  joshcryer   Jun-01-11 02:29 AM   #287 
  - Looks nicer than most of Detroit  Taitertots   May-29-11 02:43 PM   #48 
  - yeah, good question, as other photographers are able to get unposed shots.  Hannah Bell   May-29-11 02:46 PM   #50 
  - propaganda like: "land of no smiles" if anyone wants to know where this "no smile" idea comes from.  Hannah Bell   May-29-11 04:03 PM   #60 
     - I have to agree. We know nothing about how the NK people  lumpy   May-29-11 04:19 PM   #62 
     - it might be a cultural thing too HB  AlecBGreen   May-29-11 10:34 PM   #71 
     - yes. in japan as well -- typically one didn't use to smile for a formal posed photo.  Hannah Bell   May-30-11 01:48 AM   #85 
     - Wait, so the fact that people smile in North Korea  WatsonT   May-30-11 04:50 PM   #106 
        - i have no interest in the question of "how bad nk is" as it's a stupid question,  Hannah Bell   May-30-11 11:37 PM   #110 
           - North Korea is a terrible place  WatsonT   May-31-11 09:42 AM   #113 
           - Simple: North-Korea is a communist state. 'Communism = goooood!'; 'Capitalism = baaaaaaad!'  DutchLiberal   May-31-11 11:13 AM   #123 
           - gee, you get all that from: "people smile in nk"? my, my, aren't you the little mind-reader.  Hannah Bell   May-31-11 12:52 PM   #133 
           - Why don't you just DENY that you think North-Korea is a glorious state?  DutchLiberal   May-31-11 01:07 PM   #141 
              - perhaps you should read my previous posts if you want to know my thoughts on nk.  Hannah Bell   May-31-11 01:15 PM   #148 
                 - See, you just called factual statements "our government's propaganda"...  DutchLiberal   May-31-11 01:21 PM   #152 
                    - because i live in the united states & have direct knowledge of our government's propaganda. duh.  Hannah Bell   May-31-11 01:25 PM   #156 
                    - Ah, I see... You only want to believe North-Korean propaganda.  DutchLiberal   May-31-11 01:31 PM   #159 
                    - Several reporters and aid workers have gone to North Korea  WatsonT   May-31-11 04:40 PM   #210 
                       - This BBC correspondent says:  Hannah Bell   May-31-11 07:27 PM   #256 
                          - That truly depends on the level of access the photographer had.  joshcryer   May-31-11 07:43 PM   #261 
                    - You don't think the US puts out propaganda??  kick-ass-bob   May-31-11 01:34 PM   #162 
                    - False dichotomy; Hannah Bell has been using this false dichotomy all over the thread.  DutchLiberal   May-31-11 01:35 PM   #164 
                       - OK - I've looked through as many of her posts here as I can  kick-ass-bob   May-31-11 01:47 PM   #169 
                       - *I* am close-minded? *She's* the one who thinks smiling people are 'evidence'...  DutchLiberal   May-31-11 02:04 PM   #176 
                          - Then why did you attack the guy who has obviously been there?  kick-ass-bob   May-31-11 02:25 PM   #181 
                             - I wasn't attacking the guy who claims to have been in North-Korea; I was asking him questions.  DutchLiberal   May-31-11 02:33 PM   #184 
                       - Fighting a straw man......  Vanje   May-31-11 01:57 PM   #175 
                          - So you think repeating a false dichotomy over and over again is 'handing one's ass over to anybody'?  DutchLiberal   May-31-11 02:05 PM   #177 
                             - False dichotomy?  Vanje   May-31-11 02:49 PM   #191 
                                - The false dichotomy is that one has to choose between only two things:  DutchLiberal   May-31-11 04:44 PM   #211 
                                   - It was not only...  Vanje   May-31-11 05:07 PM   #220 
                    - All governments lie, except for Dear leader, glorious president of Best Korea!  WatsonT   May-31-11 04:37 PM   #207 
           - Um....  Vanje   May-31-11 01:50 PM   #172 
              - Deleted message  Name removed   May-31-11 04:49 PM   #212 
                 - No  Vanje   May-31-11 05:22 PM   #223 
                 - In this back & forth, you've been soundly defeated on the facts. There's this old saying about  apocalypsehow   May-31-11 05:33 PM   #227 
                    - ^ ^ ^  Vanje   May-31-11 05:55 PM   #236 
                 - Ever hear the term "Red Baiting"? Tell me this stuff is a Joke???  Go2Peace   May-31-11 10:42 PM   #274 
           - There are plenty of places worse than North Korea.  JVS   May-31-11 01:09 PM   #144 
              - Name one.  DutchLiberal   May-31-11 01:23 PM   #154 
              - Burundi.  JVS   May-31-11 01:41 PM   #166 
                 - Northern Uganda.  kick-ass-bob   May-31-11 01:49 PM   #170 
                 - Bad place. Not a totalitarian state. Not cut off from the rest of the world.  DutchLiberal   May-31-11 02:25 PM   #182 
                    - Yes, a future being kidnapped from your family and forced into an army  kick-ass-bob   May-31-11 02:29 PM   #183 
                       - You can get out of there. People have access to information of the outside world.  DutchLiberal   May-31-11 02:37 PM   #185 
                          - YOU said 'name one place worse.' I merely answered your posit.  kick-ass-bob   May-31-11 02:46 PM   #190 
                             - But North Korea's beer commercials are excessively long and have boring stuff about ingredients.  JVS   May-31-11 03:19 PM   #200 
                             - And you have no grasp of North-Korea.  DutchLiberal   May-31-11 04:39 PM   #209 
                 - Bad place. Not a totalitarian state. Not cut off from the rest of the world.  DutchLiberal   May-31-11 02:24 PM   #180 
              - Not really  WatsonT   May-31-11 04:38 PM   #208 
           - Here are some pictures for you  snooper2   Jun-01-11 08:58 AM   #292 
  - Detroit would look a lot nicer if you were only allowed to take certain pictures  WatsonT   May-30-11 04:48 PM   #105 
     - Holy shit. Nicely done.  joshcryer   May-31-11 07:15 PM   #252 
  - everyone's wearing a uniform. weird  Liberal_in_LA   May-29-11 04:05 PM   #61 
  - Everything looks so clean and orderly  PotatoChip   May-29-11 04:51 PM   #64 
  - The stark emptyness..  AsahinaKimi   May-29-11 04:51 PM   #65 
  - is this supposed to be a joke?  hfojvt   May-29-11 04:59 PM   #67 
  - thanks  Joe NoWay   May-29-11 05:02 PM   #68 
  - Bookmarked for later....always intrigued by forbidden isolated places. nt  Lucky Luciano   May-29-11 07:21 PM   #69 
  - I take it designer clothing isn't a big seller in N. Korea.  yella_dawg   May-29-11 08:15 PM   #70 
  - And then there is this perspective...  FedUpWithIt All   May-29-11 11:02 PM   #72 
  - Horrible. Grim, bleak and depressing. An indictment of the Communist system.  Nye Bevan   May-29-11 11:02 PM   #73 
  - Even at the expense of this?  wickerwoman   May-29-11 11:31 PM   #75 
     - Hmmm, no. Based on your pictures I guess the USA *should* adopt a N Korea style Communist system.  Nye Bevan   May-29-11 11:41 PM   #77 
     - That's my point exactly.  wickerwoman   May-29-11 11:51 PM   #78 
        - Do you think North Koreans are better off than Americans?  Drunken Irishman   May-30-11 01:42 AM   #84 
        - her point was quite clear. she makes no assumptions about who is "better off" -- or anything else -  Hannah Bell   May-30-11 02:06 AM   #87 
        - I think we have a bit more to go on than merely 9 pictures  WatsonT   May-30-11 04:52 PM   #107 
           - As I said above,  wickerwoman   May-30-11 06:33 PM   #108 
     - Oh, you make me nostalgic!  izquierdista   May-31-11 11:23 AM   #126 
  - I wonder at what hour the building pics were taken?  tuckessee   May-29-11 11:32 PM   #76 
  - It's important to point out that much of what is seen in Pyongyang is staged...  Drunken Irishman   May-30-11 01:35 AM   #82 
  - Thanks, great info.  wtmusic   May-30-11 01:52 AM   #86 
  - more staged photos from nk  Hannah Bell   May-30-11 03:02 AM   #90 
     - Hannah, are you really trying to defend North Korea?  Imajika   May-31-11 06:45 PM   #244 
  - I would hate to live in a place...  Lucian   May-30-11 02:58 AM   #89 
  - These look like propaganda pictures  divvy   May-30-11 07:38 AM   #93 
  - Photography in North Korea  Zaruka   May-30-11 08:11 AM   #94 
  - Thanks so much for your input.  lumpy   May-30-11 04:13 PM   #103 
  - I don't automatically believe what the media says about the DPRK anymore. There's tour groups going  Shagbark Hickory   May-31-11 08:00 AM   #112 
  - If North-Korea is not really the totalitarian dictatorship we think it is, as you say...  DutchLiberal   May-31-11 11:26 AM   #127 
  - You are overreacting. Read the quote from one of his pics:  kick-ass-bob   May-31-11 01:53 PM   #173 
     - Why don't you, or him, just answer my questions? They're very normal questions.  DutchLiberal   May-31-11 02:42 PM   #186 
        - I haven't been there. I don't know.  kick-ass-bob   May-31-11 02:52 PM   #192 
        - Brick wall, indeed  Vanje   May-31-11 03:04 PM   #196 
        - He didn't answer any questions at all. I asked things he didn't adress.  DutchLiberal   May-31-11 04:32 PM   #203 
        - No one said.....  Vanje   May-31-11 03:02 PM   #195 
           - The fact that it was not said literally, flat-out, word-for-word exactly like that...  DutchLiberal   May-31-11 04:36 PM   #206 
              - Your arguments are based on exaggerations of what others  Vanje   May-31-11 04:55 PM   #215 
                 - No, it's not; you're playing semantic games.  DutchLiberal   May-31-11 05:01 PM   #219 
                    - A "recap in your own words"  Vanje   May-31-11 05:35 PM   #230 
  - how much of DPRK's troubles are caused by economic sanctions  BOG PERSON   May-31-11 05:34 PM   #228 
  - Poor governance AND economic sanctions  Vanje   May-31-11 05:46 PM   #233 
     - that question was directed at Zaruka actually  BOG PERSON   May-31-11 06:06 PM   #241 
  - As someone who has been there (Pyongyang), I have a very hard time believing your story....  SadPanda   May-31-11 06:29 PM   #243 
  - Anyone who feigns favorablity with these states gets treated well and has better access.  joshcryer   May-31-11 07:21 PM   #254 
  - Welcome to DU  Canuckistanian   May-31-11 08:58 PM   #269 
  - Outstanding post....welcome aboard.  Old and In the Way   May-31-11 10:55 PM   #275 
  - Whoa!  CJvR   May-30-11 08:52 AM   #95 
  - The city pictures look like scenes from The Walking Dead.  Initech   May-30-11 09:17 AM   #97 
  - The first word that comes to mind is "Sterile"  MrScorpio   May-30-11 02:26 PM   #102 
  - Um. Those pictures are staged as stiff. If you really want to see North Korea see these docs:  readmoreoften   May-30-11 06:46 PM   #109 
  - One of the other defectors, Charles Robert Jenkins, has a good book called "the reluctant communist"  Erose999   May-31-11 07:46 AM   #111 
     - I read The Reluctant Communist and saw Crossing the Line, I think the latter is better.  joshcryer   May-31-11 07:48 PM   #262 
  - ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL  snooper2   May-31-11 10:13 AM   #114 
  - The sheer EMPTINESS freaked me out and is  hifiguy   May-31-11 10:39 AM   #118 
  - That emptiness is what happens when the cheap oil stops flowing.  JVS   May-31-11 10:32 PM   #273 
  - That is only the best of the best of the city  Juche   May-31-11 12:49 PM   #132 
  - It just looks so desolate....  ceile   May-31-11 01:02 PM   #136 
  - The one with the hospital bed is creepy. Is that the testicle shocker laying on the bed? n/t  cherokeeprogressive   May-31-11 01:46 PM   #168 
  - This thread is proof that if you give some DUers enough time  Dreamer Tatum   May-31-11 01:50 PM   #171 
  - or simply attacking people because they said  kick-ass-bob   May-31-11 01:54 PM   #174 
  - No, attacking people because they use smiling people as 'proof' N-K is a fantastic place.  DutchLiberal   May-31-11 02:44 PM   #188 
     - Nobody on this thread said that " NK is a fantastic place".  Vanje   May-31-11 02:53 PM   #193 
     - Context and deduction, dear Watson!  DutchLiberal   May-31-11 04:22 PM   #202 
        - ?  Vanje   May-31-11 04:56 PM   #216 
           - If you can't figure that one out, I'm at loss.  DutchLiberal   May-31-11 05:00 PM   #218 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   May-31-11 06:46 PM   #245 
        - I'll admit, "don't look to be suffering too dreadfully" may not imply that at all.  joshcryer   May-31-11 07:31 PM   #257 
  - Got that right!  DutchLiberal   May-31-11 02:43 PM   #187 
  - More like proof that humans need to create an alien "other".  Bonobo   May-31-11 07:55 PM   #264 
  - Wow. Looks like they have solved both traffic congestion and obesity  Freddie Stubbs   May-31-11 02:44 PM   #189 
  - WHERE'S THE DAMN Ryugyong Hotel THE HOTEL OF DOOM?  Ichingcarpenter   May-31-11 03:01 PM   #194 
  - Damn!  Vanje   May-31-11 03:07 PM   #197 
  - I see it being used in some Sci fi Dystopian movie  Ichingcarpenter   May-31-11 03:16 PM   #199 
  - Good lord. nt  blondeatlast   May-31-11 03:24 PM   #201 
  - All western lies and propaganda!  WatsonT   May-31-11 04:36 PM   #205 
  - wikipedia says it's almost complete  killbotfactory   May-31-11 05:40 PM   #232 
  - In person it reminded me of seeing the Pyramids in Egypt...  SadPanda   May-31-11 06:02 PM   #239 
  - Nice photos  Philippine expat   May-31-11 05:31 PM   #226 
  - They are staged... but that's the point about North Korea  SadPanda   May-31-11 06:10 PM   #242 
     - There's a select bunch of people who love staged stuff like that.  joshcryer   May-31-11 07:33 PM   #258 
        - Here ya go  SadPanda   May-31-11 07:59 PM   #265 
           - I like the part where they do karaoke to Anarchy in the UK.  killbotfactory   May-31-11 08:21 PM   #266 
  - I spent 4 days in Pyongyang in May of 2005.....  SadPanda   May-31-11 05:57 PM   #237 
  - But but but..Isn't that just all western propaganda??  DFab420   May-31-11 06:49 PM   #246 
  - so sad... their architecture is monotone... everything looks controlled  fascisthunter   May-31-11 07:16 PM   #253 
  - All staged photos. Not a glimpse into the life at all. In fact...  Bonobo   May-31-11 07:51 PM   #263 
  - I agree.  OmmmSweetOmmm   Jun-01-11 09:03 AM   #293 
  - thanks for the pics  mdmc   May-31-11 08:51 PM   #268 
  - Looks so 1959ish.  EC   May-31-11 09:23 PM   #271 
  - It looks pretty and depressing at the same time.  4lbs   Jun-01-11 02:27 AM   #286 
 

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