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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-28-11 02:02 PM
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26. Anyone who doesn't collapse like a wimp when the Republicans grumble
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  -Ten Things No President May Do: MineralMan  May-28-11 01:20 PM   #0 
  - But a LEADER knows how to get Congress to do those things for him  Lydia Leftcoast   May-28-11 01:24 PM   #1 
  - Maybe in some sim game. In real life politics, there is such a thing as opposition.  KittyWampus   May-28-11 01:26 PM   #3 
  - And whose fault is that?  Lydia Leftcoast   May-28-11 01:28 PM   #4 
  - Bullshit. In a society like ours, there is no way to "know how" to make stubborn ideologs budge.  phleshdef   May-28-11 01:32 PM   #7 
  - No, I remember too much history  Lydia Leftcoast   May-28-11 02:01 PM   #25 
     - All of FDR's programs were horribly unpopular in congress  Drale   May-28-11 02:11 PM   #27 
     - Look at the number of Republicans that voted for those things. The political will was easily there.  phleshdef   May-28-11 03:54 PM   #38 
        - Because the Democratic Party supports and encourages Blue Dogs  Lydia Leftcoast   May-28-11 04:32 PM   #40 
  - Only sometimes. Many Presidents have tried and failed at it.  MineralMan   May-28-11 01:34 PM   #11 
  - Who do you suggest as a 'leader' who can and will do all these things Obama's not doing?  MH1   May-28-11 01:52 PM   #18 
  - Anyone who doesn't collapse like a wimp when the Republicans grumble  Lydia Leftcoast   May-28-11 02:02 PM   #26 
     - Such as?  MH1   May-28-11 02:23 PM   #32 
        - And there's the rub.  MineralMan   May-28-11 02:25 PM   #33 
           - It's too tempting to play along with the Big Boys and have a cushy retirement  Lydia Leftcoast   May-28-11 04:36 PM   #42 
  - How does a President get the power you want to be able to LEAD?  treestar   May-28-11 03:49 PM   #35 
  - Doesn't have to convince Rand Paul--don't make silly statements  Lydia Leftcoast   May-28-11 04:35 PM   #41 
  - Yep, and people who have been in positions of power know this  Aerows   May-28-11 03:52 PM   #37 
  - +1  emilyg   May-28-11 07:00 PM   #45 
  - He can but he *may* not. Especially #3. n/t  Meeker Morgan   May-28-11 01:25 PM   #2 
  - Good point. I edited my title.  MineralMan   May-28-11 01:29 PM   #5 
  - Well, three exceptions to the list need to be mentioned...  HopeHoops   May-28-11 01:30 PM   #6 
  - Thanks for your points.  MineralMan   May-28-11 01:32 PM   #8 
     - I really love the line-item veto irony. MAN were the Republicans pissed about that.  HopeHoops   May-28-11 01:33 PM   #9 
  - You're forgetting the Presidential signing statements. Shrub sure didn't forget those.  Electric Monk   May-28-11 01:34 PM   #10 
  - Signing statements knock out the first five items on the list. n/t  EFerrari   May-28-11 01:56 PM   #20 
  - Didn't seem so weak when he sent in Seal Team 6 to get OBL  Rex   May-28-11 01:34 PM   #12 
  - Each President may do some things on his/her own initiative.  MineralMan   May-28-11 01:40 PM   #13 
  - Well we've had very little impeachments and Congress usually  Rex   May-28-11 01:42 PM   #14 
     - No doubt you're correct.  MineralMan   May-28-11 01:50 PM   #17 
        - True it is very well laid out, but politicans love to bend the rules.  Rex   May-28-11 01:55 PM   #19 
  - Presidents have more power over military and foreign policy  treestar   May-28-11 03:49 PM   #36 
  - I don't think #3 really applies anymore  JonLP24   May-28-11 01:42 PM   #15 
  - Examples?  MineralMan   May-28-11 01:47 PM   #16 
     - Here is one (of many IMO)  JonLP24   May-28-11 01:57 PM   #21 
        - OK, thanks. I can see a couple of ways that  MineralMan   May-28-11 02:21 PM   #30 
  - In reality, he may: break any law; have foreign powers pay for illegal, secret programs; pocket  leveymg   May-28-11 01:57 PM   #22 
  - Your point?  Lucian   May-28-11 01:58 PM   #23 
  - My point?  MineralMan   May-28-11 02:16 PM   #28 
  - Why I changed "Can" to "May"  MineralMan   May-28-11 01:58 PM   #24 
  - I'm not sure your argument and conclusion could withstand close scrutiny  kristopher   May-28-11 02:16 PM   #29 
  - You're right. "Weak" is a relative term.  MineralMan   May-28-11 02:23 PM   #31 
  - I see that this thread is "On the Fence."  MineralMan   May-28-11 02:31 PM   #34 
  - yet we blamed bush for all of these things. amazing. nt  La Lioness Priyanka   May-28-11 03:58 PM   #39 
  - So how come Bush could, and did, do most of them repeatedly?  saras   May-28-11 05:06 PM   #43 
  - Because the people that could have done something about it  Rex   May-28-11 05:08 PM   #44 
  - I wonder if Bush Jr.  AsahinaKimi   May-28-11 08:23 PM   #46 

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