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PavePusher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-29-11 01:51 PM
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65. You are projecting.

Mutually negotiated sex can be about many different things. It can be an economic transaction, it can be about short or long-term mutual physical pleasure, varying degrees of commitment, procreation, an expression of deep feelings, or just moist sweaty exercise. This has been true for millenia. Ignoring reality does not change reality.

I offered some ways to reduce some of the problems with prostitution for adults. I freely admitted that I do not know what to do about the mental illness that involves abusing children, other than a very drastic penalty when caught.
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  -Sex Trafficking of Americans: The Girls Next Door mzteris  May-28-11 11:07 AM   #0 
  - illegal, unregulated markets tend to suck  Johonny   May-28-11 11:29 AM   #1 
  - evidently even the "regulated ones" do as well  mzteris   May-28-11 11:36 AM   #2 
  - Sweden...  LadyHawkAZ   May-28-11 04:17 PM   #17 
  - Legalization does nothing to help or protect the most vulnerable participants in the sex trade  Sen. Walter Sobchak   May-28-11 05:19 PM   #23 
     - wasn't a call for legalization  Johonny   May-29-11 11:43 AM   #53 
     - Bullshit - countries where it is legalized don't have the Drug Addiction  FreakinDJ   May-30-11 10:37 AM   #89 
     - lol XD  sudopod   May-30-11 04:19 PM   #100 
  - Everyone should take a moment and read this entire article  Fleshdancer   May-28-11 12:15 PM   #3 
  - absolutely.  mzteris   May-28-11 12:40 PM   #5 
  - I find the link to be ironic though  hfojvt   May-28-11 02:32 PM   #10 
  - yah, I noticed that.  mzteris   May-28-11 04:52 PM   #19 
  - Exactly!!!!  Fleshdancer   May-28-11 07:11 PM   #29 
  - thats not entirely true either. prostitutes vary and pretending its all one way or the other  La Lioness Priyanka   May-28-11 03:59 PM   #12 
  - They may "vary" -  mzteris   May-28-11 04:54 PM   #20 
     - ONE is too many  LadyHawkAZ   May-28-11 05:12 PM   #22 
     - You're trying to equate marriage with pedophilia?  riderinthestorm   May-29-11 01:08 PM   #57 
        - Your title made my point for me  LadyHawkAZ   May-29-11 01:51 PM   #64 
           - I've said it before, I said it below and I'll say it again without running away  riderinthestorm   May-29-11 02:18 PM   #68 
              - Well, that was totally non-condescending...  LadyHawkAZ   May-29-11 07:05 PM   #73 
     - this will be the hundredth article/report i have read on sex work  La Lioness Priyanka   May-28-11 06:21 PM   #28 
  - That's what happens when you drive something into the black market/criminal underworld.  PavePusher   May-28-11 04:16 PM   #16 
  - Lets look at what has actually occured,  Sen. Walter Sobchak   May-28-11 05:36 PM   #25 
     - i am sad to say the senator is correct, legalizing hasn't worked at all  pitohui   May-28-11 05:58 PM   #27 
     - Actually it does a lot  LadyHawkAZ   May-28-11 10:48 PM   #35 
        - So, you think the moonlight bunny ranch is going to hire all the junkies on Gladys Street?  Sen. Walter Sobchak   May-28-11 10:56 PM   #37 
           - So you think the junkies anywhere are better off  LadyHawkAZ   May-29-11 12:15 AM   #40 
              - No, but boutique prostitution is irrelevant to their plight  Sen. Walter Sobchak   May-29-11 12:29 AM   #42 
                 - That's odd.  LadyHawkAZ   May-29-11 12:35 AM   #44 
                 - I lost track too. So you weren't the only one. There seemed to have been  bluestate10   May-29-11 07:19 PM   #76 
                 - Winning post, Sen. nt  sudopod   May-30-11 04:26 PM   #101 
                    - It might have been a good zinger  LadyHawkAZ   May-30-11 06:31 PM   #104 
                       - I'm sorry for what happened to you, but how does that make him wrong? nt  sudopod   May-30-11 11:21 PM   #105 
                          - I've now made several posts worth of solutions  LadyHawkAZ   May-31-11 01:19 AM   #106 
     - Take the hook out by allowing visas for the sex trade.  PavePusher   May-28-11 07:22 PM   #30 
        - Libertarian Fantasy #848: "Eastern European and Asian women want to be prostitutes"  Sen. Walter Sobchak   May-28-11 08:14 PM   #32 
           - Morally speaking  LadyHawkAZ   May-28-11 10:33 PM   #34 
           - So what is consensual prostitution?  Sen. Walter Sobchak   May-28-11 11:04 PM   #39 
              - Thank you  LadyHawkAZ   May-29-11 12:24 AM   #41 
              - strawman rhetorical questions need no answer,  Sen. Walter Sobchak   May-29-11 12:32 AM   #43 
                 - Yep. Barter is barter.  LadyHawkAZ   May-29-11 12:42 AM   #46 
                 - The senator answered you but you keep glossing over it: commitment and monogamy.  riderinthestorm   May-29-11 01:25 PM   #59 
                    - headdesk  LadyHawkAZ   May-29-11 03:16 PM   #70 
                 - How is one consensual physical act (sex) morally different...  PavePusher   May-29-11 09:01 AM   #48 
                    - Opening your body to penetration isn't any way like building a fence  riderinthestorm   May-29-11 01:12 PM   #58 
                    - And people use that abuse of young children  LadyHawkAZ   May-29-11 01:29 PM   #62 
                    - Sorry but sometimes that's what societies decide to do and I'm okay with that  riderinthestorm   May-29-11 01:39 PM   #63 
                       - We have helmet and seatbelt laws  LadyHawkAZ   May-29-11 02:04 PM   #67 
                       - I don't know anything about the women in NY.  riderinthestorm   May-29-11 02:22 PM   #69 
                          - Here's a link:  LadyHawkAZ   May-29-11 07:19 PM   #75 
                          - All forms of meth production damages people and society.  bluestate10   May-29-11 08:05 PM   #83 
                       - Young children do not drive because society regulate to prevent them  bluestate10   May-29-11 07:58 PM   #82 
                    - You are projecting.  PavePusher   May-29-11 01:51 PM   #65 
                    - The Senator appears to want to shut down all prostitution.  bluestate10   May-29-11 07:43 PM   #79 
                       - I would be in favor of that, acknowledging it isn't realistic  Sen. Walter Sobchak   May-29-11 08:44 PM   #85 
                          - Actually, they've found that legalization makes traffickers  LadyHawkAZ   May-30-11 10:33 AM   #88 
                             - Yet, they immediately deport the victims without so much as taking a statement  Sen. Walter Sobchak   May-30-11 11:19 AM   #92 
                             - Links please  LadyHawkAZ   May-30-11 11:55 AM   #95 
                             - Wait...what??  LadyHawkAZ   May-30-11 12:34 PM   #96 
                             - Can't speak for AZ or the US but here  ChazII   May-30-11 02:00 PM   #97 
                                - One from the US  LadyHawkAZ   May-30-11 02:14 PM   #98 
                                   - Thank you,LadyHawkAZ  ChazII   May-30-11 04:09 PM   #99 
                    - I'm as godless as a cat  sudopod   May-30-11 04:33 PM   #102 
              - Your arguments appear to be purely emotional. You seem to hate the  bluestate10   May-29-11 07:33 PM   #78 
                 - My arguments are based on having worked with victims of sex trafficking  Sen. Walter Sobchak   May-29-11 08:41 PM   #84 
                    - Has criminalization stopped sex trafficking? n/t  LadyHawkAZ   May-30-11 10:55 AM   #90 
                       - It certainly reduces it  Sen. Walter Sobchak   May-30-11 11:24 AM   #93 
                          - Links to reductions please  LadyHawkAZ   May-30-11 11:49 AM   #94 
           - Yikes, your title is not at all what I was thinking or attempting to imply.  PavePusher   May-29-11 09:06 AM   #49 
           - Every person that provide sex do it for money. The issue should be whether  bluestate10   May-29-11 07:26 PM   #77 
  - +100. It's not a profession. nt  Liquorice   May-28-11 10:50 PM   #36 
  - I read it. It didn't change my attitude one bit.  LadyHawkAZ   May-28-11 03:58 PM   #11 
  - I used to think the way you do  lapislzi   May-28-11 05:35 PM   #24 
     - See my post #17 above on the Swedish model  LadyHawkAZ   May-28-11 10:22 PM   #33 
  - I read the whole article, and I still am in the "I don't care what consenting adults do" camp  Taverner   May-29-11 11:37 AM   #52 
     - you read it and think these were "consenting adults"?  mzteris   May-29-11 11:59 AM   #54 
        - Obviously Children cannot consent  Taverner   May-29-11 01:28 PM   #60 
        - I'm sorry, you're mistaken  mzteris   May-29-11 04:35 PM   #71 
           - Um, by your logic then whether CSW is legal or illegal is irrelevant then  Taverner   May-29-11 04:39 PM   #72 
        - It would keep trafficked kids out of jail, for one  LadyHawkAZ   May-30-11 11:00 AM   #91 
  - Suggestions:  LiberalFighter   May-28-11 12:36 PM   #4 
  - this will help teens from getting kidnapped and forced into sex work?  La Lioness Priyanka   May-28-11 07:38 PM   #31 
     - Somehow if we make it more illegal, the exploiters of children will just stop  Taverner   May-29-11 01:29 PM   #61 
  - Just a reminder of what planet we live on:  buddysmellgood   May-28-11 01:42 PM   #6 
  - About damn time that happened n/t  LadyHawkAZ   May-29-11 12:44 AM   #47 
  - Even importation from Ohio to Pennsylvania  JPZenger   May-28-11 01:51 PM   #7 
  - If the average age is 13 that means there are lots who are younger  lunatica   May-28-11 01:56 PM   #8 
  - AVERAGE age in the sex trade is 13 years old, bears repeating  riderinthestorm   May-29-11 01:04 PM   #56 
  - America, heal thyself  XanaDUer   May-28-11 02:01 PM   #9 
  - The end of an empire is laced with such realities.  RagAss   May-28-11 03:59 PM   #13 
  - i bet the middle and beginning of empires are not all about respecting women's bodies either  La Lioness Priyanka   May-28-11 04:00 PM   #14 
     - or women themselves either.  Chan790   May-29-11 02:02 PM   #66 
  - if it were men that were kidnapped or ensnared and  onethatcares   May-28-11 04:05 PM   #15 
  - While in smaller numbers men and boys are sex trafficked too  Sen. Walter Sobchak   May-28-11 05:45 PM   #26 
     - Thank you for this information.  ChazII   May-29-11 08:50 PM   #86 
  - A free local paper has touched on this w/their investigations of bodies found here.  KittyWampus   May-28-11 04:19 PM   #18 
  - It's actually pretty widely known.  chrisa   May-29-11 12:12 PM   #55 
  - "Second Life: Jail Bait" ??  eShirl   May-28-11 05:08 PM   #21 
  - Oops, sorry, I cross-posted the same story  closeupready   May-28-11 10:56 PM   #38 
  - the more that read it  mzteris   May-29-11 11:02 AM   #50 
  - K & R, I've been out of town and off line for days but just got home and was skimming headlines  riderinthestorm   May-29-11 12:42 AM   #45 
  - This is tangential, but I wondered about the motel chains involved  petronius   May-29-11 11:31 AM   #51 
  - Yeah--few really examine those who enable these crimes.  BlueIris   May-29-11 07:14 PM   #74 
  - When the word "pimp" is seen with digust, I will celebrate.  U4ikLefty   May-29-11 07:53 PM   #80 
  - Bookmarking for later.  Texasgal   May-29-11 07:54 PM   #81 
  - My next letter to the editor  ChazII   May-29-11 09:28 PM   #87 
  - marking for later read  underpants   May-30-11 04:50 PM   #103 

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