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OneGrassRoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-28-11 12:42 PM
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135. It's a different world now....
the opportunities for even the most industrious among us are simply not there. The system is geared to make things even MORE difficult.

The system as it is now, and which it has been moving toward for decades, makes sure the "haves" get more and the "have-somes" struggle harder and harder to keep it, and the "have-nots" are just screwed all the way around, short of a literal miracle.

Hard work and good decisions really have little to do with one's success or wealth these days. Though certainly, being lazy and making bad decisions have consequences.

Oh, wait...they "haves" (i.e. Wall Street) don't seem to suffer consequences of their poor decisions and lack of industriousness.

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  -5 Things Nobody Tells You About Being Poor PVnRT  May-27-11 09:05 AM   #0 
  - I spent 4 years being poor after being upper middle and it sucks  stevenleser   May-27-11 09:11 AM   #1 
  - Poor after being upper middle? Could you...post more about that?  BlueIris   May-27-11 10:18 AM   #11 
  - I'm (obviously) not the poster ...  etherealtruth   May-27-11 11:45 AM   #18 
  - In my case, divorce with a simultaneous layoff and inability to find work for a number of years.  stevenleser   May-27-11 12:01 PM   #20 
  - I am so sorry  etherealtruth   May-27-11 01:05 PM   #22 
     - That is what this taught me. Unless you have joined the ranks of the wealthy, which I hadnt...  stevenleser   May-27-11 01:17 PM   #23 
        - I learned that it is important to NEVER forget what it was like to be poor  etherealtruth   May-27-11 02:37 PM   #28 
  - Divorce  FreeJoe   May-27-11 06:42 PM   #48 
     - compound interest  trud   May-28-11 09:23 AM   #117 
     - Ditto  Carolina   May-28-11 01:46 PM   #145 
  - What upper means is that you can recover from poverty much more easily  eridani   May-27-11 07:43 PM   #61 
  - That is easy................  Knight Hawk   May-27-11 09:17 PM   #75 
  - Poor?  maddiemom   May-28-11 01:47 AM   #90 
  - I was born dirt licking poor and made my way up to the middle class.  roguevalley   May-27-11 03:51 PM   #31 
  - I was born poor and stayed poor  Capitalocracy   May-27-11 07:39 PM   #60 
  - good essay. whereas folks like gingrich get the "standard no-interest account" for their purchases.  Hannah Bell   May-27-11 03:56 PM   #33 
  - Yes  Knight Hawk   May-27-11 09:25 PM   #76 
  - I'd like to hear more about that also  pezDispenser   May-28-11 12:18 AM   #82 
  - Been poor and now well off  AngryAmish   May-27-11 09:15 AM   #2 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   May-27-11 04:01 PM   #36 
  - yikes that seems a bit cold. Ass kissing aside it is just a lot easier to have a lot of money.  Exultant Democracy   May-27-11 05:21 PM   #42 
  - +1 Couldnt have said it better.  OwnedByFerrets   May-27-11 07:04 PM   #52 
  - Insecure people need that.  Forkboy   May-27-11 07:11 PM   #55 
  - Not me.  bluestate10   May-27-11 07:39 PM   #59 
  - "that they are visibly stunned...  awoke_in_2003   May-28-11 01:54 AM   #92 
  - Isn't that the truth?  thanks_imjustlurking   May-28-11 07:59 AM   #105 
  - You won't find me kissing your ass.  Lucian   May-28-11 02:09 AM   #94 
  - I don't know where you are from originally, but here in the South  juajen   May-28-11 02:15 AM   #95 
  - I don't think he's expecting to get his ass kissed.  GoCubsGo   May-28-11 09:17 AM   #114 
  - I'm not rich but not poor (knock on wood)  thanks_imjustlurking   May-28-11 07:53 AM   #104 
  - I grew up poor  deutsey   May-27-11 09:19 AM   #3 
  - My grandparents would never spend money, even if they had it, even if it was a good idea.  phantom power   May-27-11 09:23 AM   #5 
  - Same with my grandparents. I guess they used to remember how really really bad things got.  closeupready   May-27-11 10:30 AM   #12 
  - I will never be secure about income and bills. I never will lose that chill.  roguevalley   May-27-11 03:54 PM   #32 
  - Been there. When you don't eat your stomach stops hurting but your whole body gets hungry  Maru Kitteh   May-27-11 08:54 PM   #72 
  - I just looked in my frig for something to take a medication with and  roguevalley   May-27-11 11:43 PM   #79 
  - Speaking of chill: my parents grew up in the Depression and never paid for heat  txlibdem   May-28-11 09:10 AM   #113 
  - "the chill of poverty never leaves your bones."  awoke_in_2003   May-28-11 01:58 AM   #93 
  - These days, when something breaks down, or one of us has to go to doctor...  phantom power   May-27-11 09:21 AM   #4 
  - That's exactly it. Most of us are one event away from being there even if we are doing well now...  stevenleser   May-27-11 12:02 PM   #21 
  - I'm frequently impressed by the quality of the articles ...  surrealAmerican   May-27-11 09:23 AM   #6 
  - I've been seeing  svpadgham   May-27-11 07:45 PM   #63 
  - My life has been a rollercoaster of middle-class to poor and vice-versa  Urban Prairie   May-27-11 09:51 AM   #7 
  - Had similar financial experience during the 80's and like you only thing that saved me was no debt  NNN0LHI   May-27-11 10:08 AM   #10 
     - No, the only thing that ever occurred to me was that I needed to have  Urban Prairie   May-27-11 10:31 AM   #13 
  - grew up "poor" on a farm ... didn't have much ... didn't need much  littlewolf   May-27-11 10:00 AM   #8 
  - Thats where we are now.  bvar22   May-27-11 11:59 AM   #19 
  - I finally can go to a movie and have popcorn. I finally am paying my  roguevalley   May-27-11 03:56 PM   #34 
  - you were NOT poor....you were wealthy in fact.  Alameda   May-27-11 06:08 PM   #45 
  - Everyones got to show how their suffering is the worst one..  Cid_B   May-28-11 01:48 AM   #91 
  - you grew up rich on a farm and called it poor, this is hardly the same thing  pitohui   May-27-11 07:10 PM   #54 
  - recommend  xchrom   May-27-11 10:05 AM   #9 
  - Underwear.  madamesilverspurs   May-27-11 10:31 AM   #14 
  - I choose thrift stores  tavalon   May-28-11 05:32 AM   #97 
  - this is what is so disgusting about those with money telling us how to live  fascisthunter   May-27-11 10:33 AM   #15 
  - My favorite memories from being poor...  Javaman   May-27-11 10:43 AM   #16 
  - Hugs, Javaman. Been there hungry wise. Everyone should know  roguevalley   May-27-11 03:58 PM   #35 
  - Who's Sam Kenison?  uberllama42   May-27-11 08:08 PM   #66 
  - Well. Sam is dead.  Maru Kitteh   May-27-11 09:14 PM   #74 
  - I guess I'm going to have to look up who Sam Kenison is n/t  trud   May-28-11 09:26 AM   #118 
  - Yes that is very true.  truedelphi   May-27-11 11:19 AM   #17 
  - But . . . But . . . Nixon had a 'secret plan' for peace. He even  coalition_unwilling   May-27-11 04:10 PM   #37 
  - Used it in '72 as well. Tricky  era veteran   May-27-11 07:05 PM   #53 
  - The funny/sad thing is that by today's standards...  Silent3   May-28-11 07:17 AM   #101 
  - Being hungry all the time  StarburstClock   May-27-11 01:20 PM   #24 
  - Are You Kidding? Being Poor Is GREAT!!!  ChoppinBroccoli   May-27-11 01:59 PM   #25 
  - Once you're down, you get kicked  Quantess   May-27-11 02:17 PM   #26 
  - Growing up we were very poor,  1awake   May-27-11 02:30 PM   #27 
  - I would not wish poverty on any child. Your memory of 'government  coalition_unwilling   May-27-11 04:15 PM   #38 
  - I got caught in the credit thing...  idiotgardener   May-27-11 02:45 PM   #29 
  - I've never deliberately been in debt  Capitalocracy   May-27-11 07:43 PM   #62 
     - That's true too.  idiotgardener   May-27-11 08:28 PM   #69 
        - And since I missed the "free chains... I mean, credit cards... for everybody"  Capitalocracy   May-27-11 08:54 PM   #71 
           - All you need is one  idiotgardener   May-27-11 10:25 PM   #77 
              - The point is that it shouldn't be that way!  xmas74   May-28-11 12:11 AM   #81 
                 - actually, you're using their money  trud   May-28-11 02:47 PM   #146 
                 - The point is,  xmas74   May-28-11 11:26 PM   #148 
                 - I know...  idiotgardener   May-28-11 07:58 PM   #147 
                    - What needs to be done is  xmas74   May-28-11 11:27 PM   #149 
                       - Yup. And less secrecy  idiotgardener   May-28-11 11:51 PM   #152 
                          - It is BS.  xmas74   May-28-11 11:56 PM   #153 
                             - I was just listening to a guy saying that on the radio  idiotgardener   May-29-11 12:04 AM   #154 
                                - that's a great line! Someone should make that into a bumper sticker  renate   May-29-11 03:57 PM   #157 
  - You can be a drunk and still get rich. You just have to fuck people over.  buddysmellgood   May-27-11 02:49 PM   #30 
  - Or just get lucky.  Sonoman   May-27-11 06:34 PM   #47 
  - Wow. American financial institutions fuck the poor way way WAY worse than Brazilian ones.  Commie Pinko Dirtbag   May-27-11 04:25 PM   #39 
  - It's worse than they say in the article  Capitalocracy   May-27-11 09:02 PM   #73 
  - That article was pretty funny, actually.  Quantess   May-27-11 04:54 PM   #40 
  - John Cheese is pretty funny.  svpadgham   May-27-11 07:59 PM   #65 
  - it made me laugh :)  justabob   May-28-11 12:53 AM   #88 
  - Jesus, I think I have a clone.  sofa king   May-27-11 05:16 PM   #41 
  - kr  defendandprotect   May-27-11 06:04 PM   #43 
  - there are a lot more things people don't realize about being poor  Alameda   May-27-11 06:06 PM   #44 
  - Middle class is the new poor. Various "poverty taxes" utilities & banks charge now reach more people  Bucky   May-27-11 06:20 PM   #46 
  - holy crap, that's supposed to be a humor site  FirstLight   May-27-11 06:44 PM   #49 
  - Let me tell you there are many people who don't have any troubles and are  southernyankeebelle   May-27-11 06:44 PM   #50 
  - Being poor was one of the best things that ever happened to me  FreeJoe   May-27-11 06:51 PM   #51 
  - being poor destroys almost everyone one, glad it worked out so well for you, barbara!!!  pitohui   May-27-11 07:17 PM   #56 
     - Don't dismiss a person so easily.  bluestate10   May-27-11 08:26 PM   #68 
        - And after the family fixed up the place,  Quantess   May-28-11 12:06 AM   #80 
           - I've had that happen.  xmas74   May-28-11 12:19 AM   #83 
           - That happened to my parents, before I was born.  Quantess   May-28-11 12:28 AM   #84 
           - So I've heard.  xmas74   May-28-11 12:42 AM   #86 
           - Your landlord was a bastard. And almost surely, a republican. nt  bluestate10   May-28-11 08:54 AM   #109 
           - I don't know about political affiliation  xmas74   May-28-11 10:47 AM   #124 
           - My friend who recently let me stay with him had that happen...  comtec   May-28-11 01:13 PM   #141 
           - I don't know. I watched from afar. They seemed to have owned the place.  bluestate10   May-28-11 08:50 AM   #108 
  - HUGE K & R !!!  WillyT   May-27-11 07:23 PM   #57 
  - indeed!  Liberal_in_LA   May-27-11 07:48 PM   #64 
  - Being poor is expensive as hell.  GreenEyedLefty   May-27-11 07:32 PM   #58 
  - So true, esp b/c of the for-profit health and dental insurance bullshit in the US  Urban Prairie   May-27-11 08:14 PM   #67 
     - Could a health clinic refer you to a specialist at no cost or on a sliding scale?  tblue37   May-28-11 05:47 AM   #98 
     - Get the attorney!  xxqqqzme   May-28-11 08:32 AM   #106 
  - I love Cracked articles  JonLP24   May-27-11 08:33 PM   #70 
  - I hate being poor too  udbcrzy2   May-27-11 11:33 PM   #78 
  - K & R - Anyone who thinks this article is an exaggeration hasn't been there,  Raksha   May-28-11 12:31 AM   #85 
  - When my kid was little, I had to work three jobs to keep a roof over our heads.  Bette Noir   May-28-11 12:51 AM   #87 
  - I was expected more!  julene_allendellamor   May-28-11 01:07 AM   #89 
  - I was raised in three different brackets  tavalon   May-28-11 05:27 AM   #96 
  - I grew up ..  sendero   May-28-11 06:53 AM   #99 
  - You are right about the governments of China and India. As well as  bluestate10   May-28-11 09:53 AM   #120 
     - Not only that.  sendero   May-28-11 11:26 AM   #129 
  - best song that sums up what is being said here.........  Eddie Rek   May-28-11 06:54 AM   #100 
  - I was poor when I was young  CanonRay   May-28-11 07:31 AM   #102 
  - Yep, ironic but being poor often means you pay more  quinnox   May-28-11 07:52 AM   #103 
  - My Somalian friend Margaret would tell you different  mntleo2   May-28-11 09:01 AM   #112 
  - I learned all that about being poor when I was a kid. I decided I didn't want to live that way.  slackmaster   May-28-11 08:34 AM   #107 
  - I was born and raised dirt poor. My place of birth is prominently listed  bluestate10   May-28-11 09:18 AM   #115 
  - Yep, people are poor because they lack the determination.  Commie Pinko Dirtbag   May-28-11 11:31 PM   #150 
     - That's not what I wrote, CPD.  slackmaster   May-29-11 10:44 AM   #155 
        - And thank you for upholding the long-standing tradition on DU...  Commie Pinko Dirtbag   May-29-11 03:16 PM   #156 
  - You don't have to be poor to be fucked.  The Backlash Cometh   May-28-11 08:58 AM   #110 
  - True. And you don't have to accept being fucked. The last statement is the key. nt  bluestate10   May-28-11 09:22 AM   #116 
     - You make it sound like it's easy to bring balance into your world.  The Backlash Cometh   May-28-11 11:01 AM   #127 
  - I grew up poor, was poor for decades, now I'm rich  xpertanalyst   May-28-11 09:01 AM   #111 
  - The bootstrap argument does not sit well with some on DU.  bluestate10   May-28-11 09:36 AM   #119 
  - TY Blue State!  mntleo2   May-28-11 10:52 AM   #125 
  - Well bully for you  lunatica   May-28-11 10:30 AM   #121 
  - +1  smokey nj   May-28-11 10:32 AM   #122 
  - Piss off with that "only in America" crap  shoutinfreud   May-28-11 10:41 AM   #123 
  - That caught my eye  JonLP24   May-28-11 10:53 AM   #126 
     - Plus government small busisiness incentives, etc.  shoutinfreud   May-28-11 12:16 PM   #131 
  - It's a different world now....  OneGrassRoot   May-28-11 12:42 PM   #135 
  - They're only bad decisions when you're poor. When you're rich, it's called "risk taking."  smokey nj   May-28-11 12:45 PM   #137 
     - Word. n/t  OneGrassRoot   May-28-11 01:22 PM   #142 
  - Your story is an example, but not proof  Lydia Leftcoast   May-28-11 12:44 PM   #136 
  - There's probably not much difference between using a check cashing place and having a checking  smokey nj   May-28-11 01:06 PM   #140 
  - what decade did you start your business? what kind of business?  comtec   May-28-11 01:28 PM   #143 
  - Oh, look, another Galt.  Commie Pinko Dirtbag   May-28-11 11:36 PM   #151 
  - Good article, but he doesn't even go into the host of problems that come with not having a car.  JVS   May-28-11 11:20 AM   #128 
  - Excellent point. Even in areas with "good" public transportation, getting around  smokey nj   May-28-11 12:07 PM   #130 
  - Or if the bus schedule and the work schedule just doesn't line up.  JVS   May-28-11 12:45 PM   #138 
     - And, if something happens to fuck up the bus schedule, then you're really screwed.  smokey nj   May-28-11 12:53 PM   #139 
  - and, if you have just enough to HAVE a car and the slightest thing goes wrong  shoutinfreud   May-28-11 12:18 PM   #132 
     - That aspect is well-covered in the article.  JVS   May-28-11 12:41 PM   #134 
  - I've gone through periods of poverty  Lydia Leftcoast   May-28-11 12:29 PM   #133 
  - I LIVE on craig's list - free  comtec   May-28-11 01:45 PM   #144 
 

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