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Fri May-27-11 07:03 PM
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| 96. Good try at deflection. |
| -It depresses the absolute hell out of me that the most fervent fighter against the Patriot Act |
cali |
May-27-11 04:30 AM |
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I fear we have gone too long ... |
kentuck |
May-27-11 04:48 AM |
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What's worse is that we feel comfortable being there |
tularetom |
May-27-11 05:02 AM |
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Yep. |
kentuck |
May-27-11 05:06 AM |
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And they know that the vast majority of them will be reelected by the |
Obamanaut |
May-27-11 05:13 AM |
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So died the Roman Republic. |
hobbit709 |
May-27-11 06:09 AM |
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I feel we need a anyone but the incumbent vote country wide N/T |
bob4460 |
May-27-11 05:19 AM |
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Great idea! It worked wonders in Wisconsin. |
Jackpine Radical |
May-27-11 07:35 PM |
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Many Democrats are a grave disappointment to us. |
Enthusiast |
May-28-11 02:35 AM |
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The security state is like python or boa constrictor, every time the prey exhales it tightens a bit. |
Fumesucker |
May-27-11 05:24 AM |
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So true |
PurityOfEssence |
May-27-11 04:13 PM |
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and its heart. |
russspeakeasy |
May-27-11 10:12 PM |
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Does it also bother you that you are agreeing with a kook like Rand Paul? |
DCBob |
May-27-11 05:47 AM |
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The PATRIOT act was universally unpopular on DU.. |
Fumesucker |
May-27-11 05:53 AM |
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because "unversally" noboby trusted that asshole in the WH back then. |
DCBob |
May-27-11 05:56 AM |
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So, your contention is that the law was bad when Bushie was in office? |
Fumesucker |
May-27-11 06:03 AM |
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Implementation... |
DCBob |
May-27-11 06:06 AM |
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I wish I was as utterly certain as you that we will never have another Republican POTUS.. |
Fumesucker |
May-27-11 06:24 AM |
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This was a four year extension. |
DCBob |
May-27-11 02:51 PM |
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And in four years there'll be another extension. And another. And another. |
Tesha |
May-27-11 05:20 PM |
#77 |
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right on brother |
pezDispenser |
May-28-11 03:05 AM |
#151 |
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So you don't mind having your civil liberties bulldozed as long as a Dem is in |
tblue37 |
May-28-11 05:03 AM |
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No one is trustworthy enough to implement such a law and if by chance there is such a person |
TheKentuckian |
May-27-11 06:54 AM |
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+1 |
Hell Hath No Fury |
May-27-11 12:11 PM |
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Well to me it is all about trust. |
DCBob |
May-27-11 02:52 PM |
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Do you have complete trust in ALL Democrats? |
Wind Dancer |
May-27-11 03:44 PM |
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Not all but most.. and in comparison to the alternative they are all saints.. |
DCBob |
May-27-11 04:02 PM |
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Bob, God may well be a Democrat but he/she won't be running. |
TheKentuckian |
May-27-11 04:14 PM |
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You do realize this is just a 4 year extension... |
DCBob |
May-27-11 04:17 PM |
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But then it would be them, not us. Besides, what is the "secret" interpretation we're hearing about |
Pholus |
May-27-11 05:08 PM |
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Your trust is misplaced. |
Luminous Animal |
May-27-11 04:31 PM |
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Well you can decide who you want to trust, I will decide who I want to trust. |
DCBob |
May-27-11 04:38 PM |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
May-27-11 09:36 PM |
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If one trusts politicians in general, one has their head |
PufPuf23 |
May-27-11 10:10 PM |
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That may be the silliest comment I have ever read on DU! nt |
tblue37 |
May-28-11 05:19 AM |
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Fucking A! n/t |
X_Digger |
May-27-11 03:36 PM |
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PLUS ONE! I agree....nt |
Enthusiast |
May-28-11 02:39 AM |
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Great comments. Spot on. nt |
tomg |
May-28-11 03:51 AM |
#152 |
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Ah yes, I remember it well |
Bragi |
May-27-11 07:31 AM |
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Spot on comment!!! |
timtom |
May-27-11 07:40 AM |
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Bush wasn't dreamy. n/t |
QC |
May-27-11 08:00 AM |
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+1 n/t |
lumberjack_jeff |
May-27-11 09:24 AM |
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I'm just surprised that all those forced labor and reeducation camps |
Dreamer Tatum |
May-27-11 07:05 PM |
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That was not the prevailing thought or main concern discussed here at the time |
me b zola |
May-27-11 10:07 PM |
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No. FEMA had camps ready to go, elections were being cancelled, blah blah blah |
Dreamer Tatum |
May-28-11 12:00 AM |
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Even if you think |
JonLP24 |
May-27-11 06:15 PM |
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Even if they remove it now a Repub congress and Repub WH can simply reinstate it... |
DCBob |
May-27-11 06:56 PM |
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That's weak |
JonLP24 |
May-27-11 06:58 PM |
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Thats even weaker.. Im not saying that a good reason.. just responding to your comment. |
DCBob |
May-27-11 06:59 PM |
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Yes |
JonLP24 |
May-27-11 07:09 PM |
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Passing this bill now has nothing to do with what the Rethugs could do down the road.. |
DCBob |
May-27-11 07:13 PM |
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and silly me who keeps reading how they're expanding |
formernaderite |
May-27-11 07:49 PM |
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Obama is just as scary as junior was. |
Webster Green |
May-27-11 08:32 PM |
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Don't you get it, Fumesucker |
Lydia Leftcoast |
May-27-11 04:54 PM |
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Yes...we are told that the "Patriot Act is Good" because a Dem President urged Congress |
KoKo |
May-27-11 07:05 PM |
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In my lurking over at freeperville |
customerserviceguy |
May-27-11 06:24 AM |
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Yep, it's really funny how some people seem unable to look a few years down the road.. |
Fumesucker |
May-27-11 06:26 AM |
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So now that Obama is the man the exact same law |
obxhead |
May-27-11 06:58 AM |
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Laws like this can be interpreted and implemented in vastly different ways.. |
DCBob |
May-27-11 02:55 PM |
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Life is fucking risky. |
Webster Green |
May-27-11 08:44 PM |
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Obama and democrats have to pick their battles!! |
CarmanK |
May-27-11 11:13 PM |
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Well, he SAYS he stopped the use of torture. |
JoeyT |
May-28-11 04:39 AM |
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The belief that totalitarianism is okay when our guy is holding the reins is stupid. n/t |
lumberjack_jeff |
May-27-11 09:24 AM |
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I dont consider is totalitarianism and thanks for the insult. |
DCBob |
May-27-11 02:56 PM |
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No no no no no NO |
Joe the Revelator |
May-27-11 10:10 PM |
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Don't you think that losing our civil liberties is inherently bad? And anyway, what makes |
tblue37 |
May-28-11 05:01 AM |
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Paul is absolutely correct on this issue. This is the issue that got him elected. (nt) |
w4rma |
May-27-11 05:55 AM |
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Is he also "absolutely correct" about this? |
DCBob |
May-27-11 06:04 AM |
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Even a broken clock is right twice a day. |
hobbit709 |
May-27-11 06:12 AM |
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You'd make a poor politician. |
Eddie Haskell |
May-27-11 07:56 AM |
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No, and there isn't a person on the planet with whom I agree 100% |
truebrit71 |
May-27-11 03:24 PM |
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But many here on DU are ready to throw Obama under the bus for not being 100%.. |
DCBob |
May-27-11 07:31 PM |
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Can you really not understand support when right and criticize when wrong? |
tekisui |
May-27-11 10:16 PM |
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Many here dont just criticize, they have given up and think Obama is hopeless. |
DCBob |
May-27-11 11:41 PM |
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Good try at deflection. |
former9thward |
May-27-11 07:03 PM |
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well duh. try reading the frickin' title line. |
cali |
May-27-11 06:10 AM |
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Depends what you are depressed about... |
DCBob |
May-27-11 02:59 PM |
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no. that's an absurd way to "think" |
cali |
May-27-11 03:16 PM |
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Thats fine.. just something to keep in mind.. |
DCBob |
May-27-11 03:21 PM |
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The OP's thinking |
pecwae |
May-27-11 04:19 PM |
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I'll bet you were all down with Operation Shocking and Awful also, because |
coalition_unwilling |
May-27-11 04:25 PM |
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Wrong... I fervently opposed the Iraq war and still do. I joined 3 of biggest protests here in DC.. |
DCBob |
May-27-11 06:34 PM |
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I stand corrected and I heartily and humbly apologize. But surely |
coalition_unwilling |
May-27-11 09:28 PM |
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Some people |
rpannier |
May-27-11 06:27 PM |
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Well if this is your most important issue then Paul is your man.. |
DCBob |
May-27-11 06:52 PM |
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The issue is not Rand Paul |
rpannier |
May-27-11 09:18 PM |
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Do you work for the NSA by chance? |
Muskypundit |
May-27-11 09:43 PM |
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No, you should never under any circumstances rethink your opinion because someone crazy-- |
eridani |
May-27-11 07:13 PM |
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and how many Republicans agree with you |
JonLP24 |
May-27-11 07:18 PM |
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Alot of folks on both sides have agreed this is the right thing to do now. |
DCBob |
May-27-11 07:24 PM |
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A |
JonLP24 |
May-27-11 07:36 PM |
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but I have fewer kooks on my side than you have on your side. |
DCBob |
May-27-11 07:39 PM |
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I'm not sure about that |
JonLP24 |
May-27-11 07:55 PM |
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WTF is "right" about the f***ing Patriot Act? nt |
tblue37 |
May-28-11 05:12 AM |
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Nope. Because I, like many, evaluate policy rather than popularity. |
MedicalAdmin |
May-27-11 07:43 AM |
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Yes. Because the very serious people are all wrong. |
lumberjack_jeff |
May-27-11 09:22 AM |
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Does it bother you that I support people's rights and freedoms? |
Lucian |
May-27-11 03:38 PM |
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Do you have the ability to form an opinion on an anonymous quote |
hulka38 |
May-27-11 04:08 PM |
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How about a 'kook' like Dennis Kucinich? |
AtheistCrusader |
May-27-11 04:52 PM |
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Yeah, that's an interesting trio. |
DCBob |
May-27-11 06:57 PM |
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What does Rand Paul the person have to do with the nature of the PA? |
bread_and_roses |
May-27-11 06:37 PM |
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Ummmm.... I think that is the whole point of this thread. |
TheEuclideanOne |
May-27-11 06:52 PM |
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Does it bother you that you agree with the kooks who support an unconstitutional law? |
former9thward |
May-27-11 06:57 PM |
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I often agree with him. Doesn't |
emilyg |
May-27-11 09:08 PM |
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Nope. |
krabigirl |
May-27-11 10:32 PM |
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even a broken clock is accurate twice a day |
2banon |
May-27-11 11:20 PM |
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Bob, The law is unconstitutional |
era veteran |
May-28-11 03:00 AM |
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Most people really don't pay attention |
DemReadingDU |
May-27-11 06:06 AM |
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+ 1000 nt |
steve2470 |
May-27-11 06:10 AM |
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What disturbs me is that Leahy, and some others, know better, yet supported this Bill |
leveymg |
May-27-11 06:33 AM |
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yeah, it disturbs and saddens me immensely. |
cali |
May-27-11 03:12 PM |
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Indeed. they are afraid of fear itself n/t |
eridani |
May-27-11 07:15 PM |
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I will not be voting for any Democrat that supports the Patriot Act... |
Modern_Matthew |
May-27-11 06:42 AM |
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Just wait till pResident Palin gets to run things and spy on... |
Hubert Flottz |
May-27-11 06:55 AM |
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Yes! And my Dem senators voted for it too |
dreamnightwind |
May-27-11 07:06 AM |
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And why, in a democracy, cannot an elected Representative talk about implementation of a law? |
bread_and_roses |
May-27-11 07:57 PM |
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Since 2001 there's been one US death due to terrorism |
Eddie Haskell |
May-27-11 07:27 AM |
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44,000 deaths due to lack of Healthcare. That is a serious |
sabrina 1 |
May-27-11 06:19 PM |
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Its trite to say it, "but even a broken clock ..." |
ThomWV |
May-27-11 07:46 AM |
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Libertarians and progressives often agree |
Bragi |
May-27-11 07:54 AM |
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k&r |
meow mix |
May-27-11 08:02 AM |
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What were you expecting? |
GeorgeGist |
May-27-11 09:20 AM |
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Right wing or not, Paul is a Libertarian |
Tom Rinaldo |
May-27-11 12:42 PM |
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It sucks that our Democrats don't stick to their principles |
eilen |
May-27-11 05:50 PM |
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This is one issue |
Aerows |
May-27-11 09:30 AM |
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The world seems to get weirder by the day! |
MannyGoldstein |
May-27-11 12:02 PM |
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Go here |
rpannier |
May-27-11 06:31 PM |
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On this matter, he is right and Harry Reid is WRONG. |
Dawson Leery |
May-27-11 12:34 PM |
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Bernie Sanders voted NO on both the 4 year extension and the 3 month extension |
slay |
May-27-11 03:06 PM |
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That is the absolute perfect way to phrase this latest failure |
hulka38 |
May-27-11 04:02 PM |
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Libertarians agree with us on half and with the Republicans on half |
treestar |
May-27-11 04:15 PM |
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And against the War On Drugs. |
The Green Manalishi |
May-27-11 04:54 PM |
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And for civil rights. |
AtheistCrusader |
May-27-11 07:05 PM |
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Why did they hold the vote at the last minute?? |
kentuck |
May-27-11 04:43 PM |
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Hey...it's Congress... They make their own rules and they are separate from President but Equal. |
KoKo |
May-27-11 07:06 PM |
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You want debate and questions and stuff? |
jakeXT |
May-27-11 04:47 PM |
#71 |
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That's really strange that the post was put in the "9/11 Dungeon." |
KoKo |
May-27-11 07:09 PM |
#101 |
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Everything is different now you know since the presidency changed hands. |
mmonk |
May-27-11 04:57 PM |
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please, they were salivating to pass the piece of shite |
newspeak |
May-27-11 05:53 PM |
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Ridiculous... Completely unjustifiable.. |
Corruption Winz |
May-27-11 06:11 PM |
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There is no debate in a POLICE STATE. - K&R |
DeSwiss |
May-27-11 06:23 PM |
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DeSwiss...you nailed it. Thanks. |
russspeakeasy |
May-27-11 10:24 PM |
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Trust in the Secret Interpretation |
Stalwart |
May-27-11 06:39 PM |
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A case of IOKIYAD? Or worse... |
radhika |
May-27-11 07:49 PM |
#112 |
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Wait |
ProSense |
May-27-11 07:53 PM |
#113 |
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I agree with you 100%, Cali. REC. nt |
bertman |
May-27-11 07:53 PM |
#114 |
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Recommended. nt |
ZombieHorde |
May-27-11 08:34 PM |
#118 |
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Most Democrats want to fix, not repeal the Patriot Act. |
ProSense |
May-27-11 09:40 PM |
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No. There is no fixing evil. |
Muskypundit |
May-27-11 09:52 PM |
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"Its evil." |
ProSense |
May-27-11 09:58 PM |
#128 |
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I dont care whatever names you pull out of your.... hat |
Muskypundit |
May-27-11 10:27 PM |
#137 |
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Huh? |
ProSense |
May-27-11 10:54 PM |
#140 |
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yes, we know. They want to work better than it did for Bush/Cheney |
2banon |
May-27-11 11:31 PM |
#144 |
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K&R....it's a crazy, mixed-up world we live in....n/t |
unkachuck |
May-27-11 09:40 PM |
#125 |
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Well, if it's any consolation, your neighboring state of Maine stood up against it.... |
PotatoChip |
May-27-11 10:21 PM |
#134 |
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Senator Feinstein and Boxer here.. Feingold was our Sole Opponent of the PA in the Senate |
2banon |
May-27-11 10:27 PM |
#136 |
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Exactly how I felt n/t |
lordsummerisle |
May-27-11 11:17 PM |
#142 |
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Libertarians usually come out in support of civil liberties. Not always but often. |
krabigirl |
May-27-11 10:31 PM |
#138 |
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K&R |
Vinee |
May-28-11 01:17 AM |
#147 |
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I Think Inertia Has Taken Over |
ProfessorGAC |
May-28-11 05:05 AM |
#156 |
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