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72. How about a 'kook' like Dennis Kucinich?
Ron Paul, Rand Paul, and Dennis Kucinich are all in lock-step on this issue.
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  -It depresses the absolute hell out of me that the most fervent fighter against the Patriot Act cali  May-27-11 04:30 AM   #0 
  - I fear we have gone too long ...  kentuck   May-27-11 04:48 AM   #1 
  - What's worse is that we feel comfortable being there  tularetom   May-27-11 05:02 AM   #2 
     - Yep.  kentuck   May-27-11 05:06 AM   #3 
     - And they know that the vast majority of them will be reelected by the  Obamanaut   May-27-11 05:13 AM   #4 
     - So died the Roman Republic.  hobbit709   May-27-11 06:09 AM   #15 
  - I feel we need a anyone but the incumbent vote country wide N/T  bob4460   May-27-11 05:19 AM   #5 
  - Great idea! It worked wonders in Wisconsin.  Jackpine Radical   May-27-11 07:35 PM   #108 
  - Many Democrats are a grave disappointment to us.  Enthusiast   May-28-11 02:35 AM   #148 
  - The security state is like python or boa constrictor, every time the prey exhales it tightens a bit.  Fumesucker   May-27-11 05:24 AM   #6 
  - So true  PurityOfEssence   May-27-11 04:13 PM   #62 
     - and its heart.  russspeakeasy   May-27-11 10:12 PM   #132 
  - Does it also bother you that you are agreeing with a kook like Rand Paul?  DCBob   May-27-11 05:47 AM   #7 
  - The PATRIOT act was universally unpopular on DU..  Fumesucker   May-27-11 05:53 AM   #8 
  - because "unversally" noboby trusted that asshole in the WH back then.  DCBob   May-27-11 05:56 AM   #10 
     - So, your contention is that the law was bad when Bushie was in office?  Fumesucker   May-27-11 06:03 AM   #11 
     - Implementation...  DCBob   May-27-11 06:06 AM   #13 
     - I wish I was as utterly certain as you that we will never have another Republican POTUS..  Fumesucker   May-27-11 06:24 AM   #20 
     - This was a four year extension.  DCBob   May-27-11 02:51 PM   #46 
        - And in four years there'll be another extension. And another. And another.  Tesha   May-27-11 05:20 PM   #77 
        - right on brother  pezDispenser   May-28-11 03:05 AM   #151 
        - So you don't mind having your civil liberties bulldozed as long as a Dem is in  tblue37   May-28-11 05:03 AM   #155 
     - No one is trustworthy enough to implement such a law and if by chance there is such a person  TheKentuckian   May-27-11 06:54 AM   #24 
     - +1  Hell Hath No Fury   May-27-11 12:11 PM   #43 
     - Well to me it is all about trust.  DCBob   May-27-11 02:52 PM   #47 
     - Do you have complete trust in ALL Democrats?  Wind Dancer   May-27-11 03:44 PM   #58 
     - Not all but most.. and in comparison to the alternative they are all saints..  DCBob   May-27-11 04:02 PM   #59 
     - Bob, God may well be a Democrat but he/she won't be running.  TheKentuckian   May-27-11 04:14 PM   #63 
     - You do realize this is just a 4 year extension...  DCBob   May-27-11 04:17 PM   #65 
        - But then it would be them, not us. Besides, what is the "secret" interpretation we're hearing about  Pholus   May-27-11 05:08 PM   #76 
     - Your trust is misplaced.  Luminous Animal   May-27-11 04:31 PM   #68 
     - Well you can decide who you want to trust, I will decide who I want to trust.  DCBob   May-27-11 04:38 PM   #69 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   May-27-11 09:36 PM   #123 
     - If one trusts politicians in general, one has their head  PufPuf23   May-27-11 10:10 PM   #130 
     - That may be the silliest comment I have ever read on DU! nt  tblue37   May-28-11 05:19 AM   #158 
     - Fucking A! n/t  X_Digger   May-27-11 03:36 PM   #56 
     - PLUS ONE! I agree....nt  Enthusiast   May-28-11 02:39 AM   #149 
     - Great comments. Spot on. nt  tomg   May-28-11 03:51 AM   #152 
     - Ah yes, I remember it well  Bragi   May-27-11 07:31 AM   #29 
     - Spot on comment!!!  timtom   May-27-11 07:40 AM   #30 
     - Bush wasn't dreamy. n/t  QC   May-27-11 08:00 AM   #35 
     - +1 n/t  lumberjack_jeff   May-27-11 09:24 AM   #40 
     - I'm just surprised that all those forced labor and reeducation camps  Dreamer Tatum   May-27-11 07:05 PM   #97 
        - That was not the prevailing thought or main concern discussed here at the time  me b zola   May-27-11 10:07 PM   #129 
           - No. FEMA had camps ready to go, elections were being cancelled, blah blah blah  Dreamer Tatum   May-28-11 12:00 AM   #146 
     - Even if you think  JonLP24   May-27-11 06:15 PM   #81 
     - Even if they remove it now a Repub congress and Repub WH can simply reinstate it...  DCBob   May-27-11 06:56 PM   #91 
        - That's weak  JonLP24   May-27-11 06:58 PM   #94 
           - Thats even weaker.. Im not saying that a good reason.. just responding to your comment.  DCBob   May-27-11 06:59 PM   #95 
              - Yes  JonLP24   May-27-11 07:09 PM   # 
                 - Passing this bill now has nothing to do with what the Rethugs could do down the road..  DCBob   May-27-11 07:13 PM   #103 
     - and silly me who keeps reading how they're expanding  formernaderite   May-27-11 07:49 PM   #111 
     - Obama is just as scary as junior was.  Webster Green   May-27-11 08:32 PM   #117 
     - Don't you get it, Fumesucker  Lydia Leftcoast   May-27-11 04:54 PM   #74 
     - Yes...we are told that the "Patriot Act is Good" because a Dem President urged Congress  KoKo   May-27-11 07:05 PM   #99 
     - In my lurking over at freeperville  customerserviceguy   May-27-11 06:24 AM   #19 
     - Yep, it's really funny how some people seem unable to look a few years down the road..  Fumesucker   May-27-11 06:26 AM   #21 
     - So now that Obama is the man the exact same law  obxhead   May-27-11 06:58 AM   #26 
     - Laws like this can be interpreted and implemented in vastly different ways..  DCBob   May-27-11 02:55 PM   #48 
     - Life is fucking risky.  Webster Green   May-27-11 08:44 PM   #119 
     - Obama and democrats have to pick their battles!!  CarmanK   May-27-11 11:13 PM   #141 
        - Well, he SAYS he stopped the use of torture.  JoeyT   May-28-11 04:39 AM   #153 
     - The belief that totalitarianism is okay when our guy is holding the reins is stupid. n/t  lumberjack_jeff   May-27-11 09:24 AM   #39 
     - I dont consider is totalitarianism and thanks for the insult.  DCBob   May-27-11 02:56 PM   #49 
     - No no no no no NO  Joe the Revelator   May-27-11 10:10 PM   #131 
     - Don't you think that losing our civil liberties is inherently bad? And anyway, what makes  tblue37   May-28-11 05:01 AM   #154 
  - Paul is absolutely correct on this issue. This is the issue that got him elected. (nt)  w4rma   May-27-11 05:55 AM   #9 
  - Is he also "absolutely correct" about this?  DCBob   May-27-11 06:04 AM   #12 
     - Even a broken clock is right twice a day.  hobbit709   May-27-11 06:12 AM   #18 
     - You'd make a poor politician.  Eddie Haskell   May-27-11 07:56 AM   #34 
     - No, and there isn't a person on the planet with whom I agree 100%  truebrit71   May-27-11 03:24 PM   #55 
     - But many here on DU are ready to throw Obama under the bus for not being 100%..  DCBob   May-27-11 07:31 PM   #107 
        - Can you really not understand support when right and criticize when wrong?  tekisui   May-27-11 10:16 PM   #133 
           - Many here dont just criticize, they have given up and think Obama is hopeless.  DCBob   May-27-11 11:41 PM   #145 
     - Good try at deflection.  former9thward   May-27-11 07:03 PM   #96 
  - well duh. try reading the frickin' title line.  cali   May-27-11 06:10 AM   #16 
  - Depends what you are depressed about...  DCBob   May-27-11 02:59 PM   #50 
     - no. that's an absurd way to "think"  cali   May-27-11 03:16 PM   #53 
     - Thats fine.. just something to keep in mind..  DCBob   May-27-11 03:21 PM   #54 
        - The OP's thinking  pecwae   May-27-11 04:19 PM   #66 
     - I'll bet you were all down with Operation Shocking and Awful also, because  coalition_unwilling   May-27-11 04:25 PM   #67 
     - Wrong... I fervently opposed the Iraq war and still do. I joined 3 of biggest protests here in DC..  DCBob   May-27-11 06:34 PM   #86 
        - I stand corrected and I heartily and humbly apologize. But surely  coalition_unwilling   May-27-11 09:28 PM   #122 
     - Some people  rpannier   May-27-11 06:27 PM   #84 
     - Well if this is your most important issue then Paul is your man..  DCBob   May-27-11 06:52 PM   #89 
        - The issue is not Rand Paul  rpannier   May-27-11 09:18 PM   #121 
        - Do you work for the NSA by chance?  Muskypundit   May-27-11 09:43 PM   #126 
     - No, you should never under any circumstances rethink your opinion because someone crazy--  eridani   May-27-11 07:13 PM   #102 
     - and how many Republicans agree with you  JonLP24   May-27-11 07:18 PM   #105 
        - Alot of folks on both sides have agreed this is the right thing to do now.  DCBob   May-27-11 07:24 PM   #106 
           - A  JonLP24   May-27-11 07:36 PM   #109 
           - but I have fewer kooks on my side than you have on your side.  DCBob   May-27-11 07:39 PM   #110 
              - I'm not sure about that  JonLP24   May-27-11 07:55 PM   #115 
           - WTF is "right" about the f***ing Patriot Act? nt  tblue37   May-28-11 05:12 AM   #157 
  - Nope. Because I, like many, evaluate policy rather than popularity.  MedicalAdmin   May-27-11 07:43 AM   #31 
  - Yes. Because the very serious people are all wrong.  lumberjack_jeff   May-27-11 09:22 AM   #38 
  - Does it bother you that I support people's rights and freedoms?  Lucian   May-27-11 03:38 PM   #57 
  - Do you have the ability to form an opinion on an anonymous quote  hulka38   May-27-11 04:08 PM   #61 
  - How about a 'kook' like Dennis Kucinich?  AtheistCrusader   May-27-11 04:52 PM   #72 
  - Yeah, that's an interesting trio.  DCBob   May-27-11 06:57 PM   #92 
  - What does Rand Paul the person have to do with the nature of the PA?  bread_and_roses   May-27-11 06:37 PM   #87 
  - Ummmm.... I think that is the whole point of this thread.  TheEuclideanOne   May-27-11 06:52 PM   #90 
  - Does it bother you that you agree with the kooks who support an unconstitutional law?  former9thward   May-27-11 06:57 PM   #93 
  - I often agree with him. Doesn't  emilyg   May-27-11 09:08 PM   #120 
  - Nope.  krabigirl   May-27-11 10:32 PM   #139 
  - even a broken clock is accurate twice a day  2banon   May-27-11 11:20 PM   #143 
  - Bob, The law is unconstitutional  era veteran   May-28-11 03:00 AM   #150 
  - Most people really don't pay attention  DemReadingDU   May-27-11 06:06 AM   #14 
  - + 1000 nt  steve2470   May-27-11 06:10 AM   #17 
  - What disturbs me is that Leahy, and some others, know better, yet supported this Bill  leveymg   May-27-11 06:33 AM   #22 
  - yeah, it disturbs and saddens me immensely.  cali   May-27-11 03:12 PM   #52 
     - Indeed. they are afraid of fear itself n/t  eridani   May-27-11 07:15 PM   #104 
  - I will not be voting for any Democrat that supports the Patriot Act...  Modern_Matthew   May-27-11 06:42 AM   #23 
  - Just wait till pResident Palin gets to run things and spy on...  Hubert Flottz   May-27-11 06:55 AM   #25 
  - Yes! And my Dem senators voted for it too  dreamnightwind   May-27-11 07:06 AM   #27 
  - And why, in a democracy, cannot an elected Representative talk about implementation of a law?  bread_and_roses   May-27-11 07:57 PM   #116 
  - Since 2001 there's been one US death due to terrorism  Eddie Haskell   May-27-11 07:27 AM   #28 
  - 44,000 deaths due to lack of Healthcare. That is a serious  sabrina 1   May-27-11 06:19 PM   #82 
  - Its trite to say it, "but even a broken clock ..."  ThomWV   May-27-11 07:46 AM   #32 
  - Libertarians and progressives often agree  Bragi   May-27-11 07:54 AM   #33 
  - k&r  meow mix   May-27-11 08:02 AM   #36 
  - What were you expecting?  GeorgeGist   May-27-11 09:20 AM   #37 
  - Right wing or not, Paul is a Libertarian  Tom Rinaldo   May-27-11 12:42 PM   #45 
     - It sucks that our Democrats don't stick to their principles  eilen   May-27-11 05:50 PM   #78 
  - This is one issue  Aerows   May-27-11 09:30 AM   #41 
  - The world seems to get weirder by the day!  MannyGoldstein   May-27-11 12:02 PM   #42 
  - Go here  rpannier   May-27-11 06:31 PM   #85 
  - On this matter, he is right and Harry Reid is WRONG.  Dawson Leery   May-27-11 12:34 PM   #44 
  - Bernie Sanders voted NO on both the 4 year extension and the 3 month extension  slay   May-27-11 03:06 PM   #51 
  - That is the absolute perfect way to phrase this latest failure  hulka38   May-27-11 04:02 PM   #60 
  - Libertarians agree with us on half and with the Republicans on half  treestar   May-27-11 04:15 PM   #64 
  - And against the War On Drugs.  The Green Manalishi   May-27-11 04:54 PM   #73 
     - And for civil rights.  AtheistCrusader   May-27-11 07:05 PM   #98 
  - Why did they hold the vote at the last minute??  kentuck   May-27-11 04:43 PM   #70 
  -'s Congress... They make their own rules and they are separate from President but Equal.  KoKo   May-27-11 07:06 PM   #100 
  - You want debate and questions and stuff?  jakeXT   May-27-11 04:47 PM   #71 
  - That's really strange that the post was put in the "9/11 Dungeon."  KoKo   May-27-11 07:09 PM   #101 
  - Everything is different now you know since the presidency changed hands.  mmonk   May-27-11 04:57 PM   #75 
  - please, they were salivating to pass the piece of shite  newspeak   May-27-11 05:53 PM   #79 
  - Ridiculous... Completely unjustifiable..  Corruption Winz   May-27-11 06:11 PM   #80 
  - There is no debate in a POLICE STATE. - K&R  DeSwiss   May-27-11 06:23 PM   #83 
  - nailed it. Thanks.  russspeakeasy   May-27-11 10:24 PM   #135 
  - Trust in the Secret Interpretation  Stalwart   May-27-11 06:39 PM   #88 
  - A case of IOKIYAD? Or worse...  radhika   May-27-11 07:49 PM   #112 
  - Wait  ProSense   May-27-11 07:53 PM   #113 
  - I agree with you 100%, Cali. REC. nt  bertman   May-27-11 07:53 PM   #114 
  - Recommended. nt  ZombieHorde   May-27-11 08:34 PM   #118 
  - Most Democrats want to fix, not repeal the Patriot Act.  ProSense   May-27-11 09:40 PM   #124 
  - No. There is no fixing evil.  Muskypundit   May-27-11 09:52 PM   #127 
  - "Its evil."  ProSense   May-27-11 09:58 PM   #128 
     - I dont care whatever names you pull out of your.... hat  Muskypundit   May-27-11 10:27 PM   #137 
        - Huh?  ProSense   May-27-11 10:54 PM   #140 
  - yes, we know. They want to work better than it did for Bush/Cheney  2banon   May-27-11 11:31 PM   #144 
  - K&'s a crazy, mixed-up world we live in....n/t  unkachuck   May-27-11 09:40 PM   #125 
  - Well, if it's any consolation, your neighboring state of Maine stood up against it....  PotatoChip   May-27-11 10:21 PM   #134 
  - Senator Feinstein and Boxer here.. Feingold was our Sole Opponent of the PA in the Senate  2banon   May-27-11 10:27 PM   #136 
  - Exactly how I felt n/t  lordsummerisle   May-27-11 11:17 PM   #142 
  - Libertarians usually come out in support of civil liberties. Not always but often.  krabigirl   May-27-11 10:31 PM   #138 
  - K&R  Vinee   May-28-11 01:17 AM   #147 
  - I Think Inertia Has Taken Over  ProfessorGAC   May-28-11 05:05 AM   #156 

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