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Luminous Animal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-27-11 04:31 PM
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68. Your trust is misplaced.
"two Democratic senators, Ron Wyden of Oregon and Mark Udall of Colorado, have accused the Obama administration of using Section 215 for purposes not intended by Congress. Russ Feingold, then a Democratic senator for Wisconsin, raised similar alarms in 2009.

The senators know what the White House is up to because they were privy to secret testimony. But under Senate rules, they can't reveal what they learned. Thus they have demanded that the White House come clean with the public. "Americans would be alarmed if they knew how this law is being carried out," Udall is quoted as saying."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2011...
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  -It depresses the absolute hell out of me that the most fervent fighter against the Patriot Act cali  May-27-11 04:30 AM   #0 
  - I fear we have gone too long ...  kentuck   May-27-11 04:48 AM   #1 
  - What's worse is that we feel comfortable being there  tularetom   May-27-11 05:02 AM   #2 
     - Yep.  kentuck   May-27-11 05:06 AM   #3 
     - And they know that the vast majority of them will be reelected by the  Obamanaut   May-27-11 05:13 AM   #4 
     - So died the Roman Republic.  hobbit709   May-27-11 06:09 AM   #15 
  - I feel we need a anyone but the incumbent vote country wide N/T  bob4460   May-27-11 05:19 AM   #5 
  - Great idea! It worked wonders in Wisconsin.  Jackpine Radical   May-27-11 07:35 PM   #108 
  - Many Democrats are a grave disappointment to us.  Enthusiast   May-28-11 02:35 AM   #148 
  - The security state is like python or boa constrictor, every time the prey exhales it tightens a bit.  Fumesucker   May-27-11 05:24 AM   #6 
  - So true  PurityOfEssence   May-27-11 04:13 PM   #62 
     - and its heart.  russspeakeasy   May-27-11 10:12 PM   #132 
  - Does it also bother you that you are agreeing with a kook like Rand Paul?  DCBob   May-27-11 05:47 AM   #7 
  - The PATRIOT act was universally unpopular on DU..  Fumesucker   May-27-11 05:53 AM   #8 
  - because "unversally" noboby trusted that asshole in the WH back then.  DCBob   May-27-11 05:56 AM   #10 
     - So, your contention is that the law was bad when Bushie was in office?  Fumesucker   May-27-11 06:03 AM   #11 
     - Implementation...  DCBob   May-27-11 06:06 AM   #13 
     - I wish I was as utterly certain as you that we will never have another Republican POTUS..  Fumesucker   May-27-11 06:24 AM   #20 
     - This was a four year extension.  DCBob   May-27-11 02:51 PM   #46 
        - And in four years there'll be another extension. And another. And another.  Tesha   May-27-11 05:20 PM   #77 
        - right on brother  pezDispenser   May-28-11 03:05 AM   #151 
        - So you don't mind having your civil liberties bulldozed as long as a Dem is in  tblue37   May-28-11 05:03 AM   #155 
     - No one is trustworthy enough to implement such a law and if by chance there is such a person  TheKentuckian   May-27-11 06:54 AM   #24 
     - +1  Hell Hath No Fury   May-27-11 12:11 PM   #43 
     - Well to me it is all about trust.  DCBob   May-27-11 02:52 PM   #47 
     - Do you have complete trust in ALL Democrats?  Wind Dancer   May-27-11 03:44 PM   #58 
     - Not all but most.. and in comparison to the alternative they are all saints..  DCBob   May-27-11 04:02 PM   #59 
     - Bob, God may well be a Democrat but he/she won't be running.  TheKentuckian   May-27-11 04:14 PM   #63 
     - You do realize this is just a 4 year extension...  DCBob   May-27-11 04:17 PM   #65 
        - But then it would be them, not us. Besides, what is the "secret" interpretation we're hearing about  Pholus   May-27-11 05:08 PM   #76 
     - Your trust is misplaced.  Luminous Animal   May-27-11 04:31 PM   #68 
     - Well you can decide who you want to trust, I will decide who I want to trust.  DCBob   May-27-11 04:38 PM   #69 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   May-27-11 09:36 PM   #123 
     - If one trusts politicians in general, one has their head  PufPuf23   May-27-11 10:10 PM   #130 
     - That may be the silliest comment I have ever read on DU! nt  tblue37   May-28-11 05:19 AM   #158 
     - Fucking A! n/t  X_Digger   May-27-11 03:36 PM   #56 
     - PLUS ONE! I agree....nt  Enthusiast   May-28-11 02:39 AM   #149 
     - Great comments. Spot on. nt  tomg   May-28-11 03:51 AM   #152 
     - Ah yes, I remember it well  Bragi   May-27-11 07:31 AM   #29 
     - Spot on comment!!!  timtom   May-27-11 07:40 AM   #30 
     - Bush wasn't dreamy. n/t  QC   May-27-11 08:00 AM   #35 
     - +1 n/t  lumberjack_jeff   May-27-11 09:24 AM   #40 
     - I'm just surprised that all those forced labor and reeducation camps  Dreamer Tatum   May-27-11 07:05 PM   #97 
        - That was not the prevailing thought or main concern discussed here at the time  me b zola   May-27-11 10:07 PM   #129 
           - No. FEMA had camps ready to go, elections were being cancelled, blah blah blah  Dreamer Tatum   May-28-11 12:00 AM   #146 
     - Even if you think  JonLP24   May-27-11 06:15 PM   #81 
     - Even if they remove it now a Repub congress and Repub WH can simply reinstate it...  DCBob   May-27-11 06:56 PM   #91 
        - That's weak  JonLP24   May-27-11 06:58 PM   #94 
           - Thats even weaker.. Im not saying that a good reason.. just responding to your comment.  DCBob   May-27-11 06:59 PM   #95 
              - Yes  JonLP24   May-27-11 07:09 PM   # 
                 - Passing this bill now has nothing to do with what the Rethugs could do down the road..  DCBob   May-27-11 07:13 PM   #103 
     - and silly me who keeps reading how they're expanding  formernaderite   May-27-11 07:49 PM   #111 
     - Obama is just as scary as junior was.  Webster Green   May-27-11 08:32 PM   #117 
     - Don't you get it, Fumesucker  Lydia Leftcoast   May-27-11 04:54 PM   #74 
     - Yes...we are told that the "Patriot Act is Good" because a Dem President urged Congress  KoKo   May-27-11 07:05 PM   #99 
     - In my lurking over at freeperville  customerserviceguy   May-27-11 06:24 AM   #19 
     - Yep, it's really funny how some people seem unable to look a few years down the road..  Fumesucker   May-27-11 06:26 AM   #21 
     - So now that Obama is the man the exact same law  obxhead   May-27-11 06:58 AM   #26 
     - Laws like this can be interpreted and implemented in vastly different ways..  DCBob   May-27-11 02:55 PM   #48 
     - Life is fucking risky.  Webster Green   May-27-11 08:44 PM   #119 
     - Obama and democrats have to pick their battles!!  CarmanK   May-27-11 11:13 PM   #141 
        - Well, he SAYS he stopped the use of torture.  JoeyT   May-28-11 04:39 AM   #153 
     - The belief that totalitarianism is okay when our guy is holding the reins is stupid. n/t  lumberjack_jeff   May-27-11 09:24 AM   #39 
     - I dont consider is totalitarianism and thanks for the insult.  DCBob   May-27-11 02:56 PM   #49 
     - No no no no no NO  Joe the Revelator   May-27-11 10:10 PM   #131 
     - Don't you think that losing our civil liberties is inherently bad? And anyway, what makes  tblue37   May-28-11 05:01 AM   #154 
  - Paul is absolutely correct on this issue. This is the issue that got him elected. (nt)  w4rma   May-27-11 05:55 AM   #9 
  - Is he also "absolutely correct" about this?  DCBob   May-27-11 06:04 AM   #12 
     - Even a broken clock is right twice a day.  hobbit709   May-27-11 06:12 AM   #18 
     - You'd make a poor politician.  Eddie Haskell   May-27-11 07:56 AM   #34 
     - No, and there isn't a person on the planet with whom I agree 100%  truebrit71   May-27-11 03:24 PM   #55 
     - But many here on DU are ready to throw Obama under the bus for not being 100%..  DCBob   May-27-11 07:31 PM   #107 
        - Can you really not understand support when right and criticize when wrong?  tekisui   May-27-11 10:16 PM   #133 
           - Many here dont just criticize, they have given up and think Obama is hopeless.  DCBob   May-27-11 11:41 PM   #145 
     - Good try at deflection.  former9thward   May-27-11 07:03 PM   #96 
  - well duh. try reading the frickin' title line.  cali   May-27-11 06:10 AM   #16 
  - Depends what you are depressed about...  DCBob   May-27-11 02:59 PM   #50 
     - no. that's an absurd way to "think"  cali   May-27-11 03:16 PM   #53 
     - Thats fine.. just something to keep in mind..  DCBob   May-27-11 03:21 PM   #54 
        - The OP's thinking  pecwae   May-27-11 04:19 PM   #66 
     - I'll bet you were all down with Operation Shocking and Awful also, because  coalition_unwilling   May-27-11 04:25 PM   #67 
     - Wrong... I fervently opposed the Iraq war and still do. I joined 3 of biggest protests here in DC..  DCBob   May-27-11 06:34 PM   #86 
        - I stand corrected and I heartily and humbly apologize. But surely  coalition_unwilling   May-27-11 09:28 PM   #122 
     - Some people  rpannier   May-27-11 06:27 PM   #84 
     - Well if this is your most important issue then Paul is your man..  DCBob   May-27-11 06:52 PM   #89 
        - The issue is not Rand Paul  rpannier   May-27-11 09:18 PM   #121 
        - Do you work for the NSA by chance?  Muskypundit   May-27-11 09:43 PM   #126 
     - No, you should never under any circumstances rethink your opinion because someone crazy--  eridani   May-27-11 07:13 PM   #102 
     - and how many Republicans agree with you  JonLP24   May-27-11 07:18 PM   #105 
        - Alot of folks on both sides have agreed this is the right thing to do now.  DCBob   May-27-11 07:24 PM   #106 
           - A  JonLP24   May-27-11 07:36 PM   #109 
           - but I have fewer kooks on my side than you have on your side.  DCBob   May-27-11 07:39 PM   #110 
              - I'm not sure about that  JonLP24   May-27-11 07:55 PM   #115 
           - WTF is "right" about the f***ing Patriot Act? nt  tblue37   May-28-11 05:12 AM   #157 
  - Nope. Because I, like many, evaluate policy rather than popularity.  MedicalAdmin   May-27-11 07:43 AM   #31 
  - Yes. Because the very serious people are all wrong.  lumberjack_jeff   May-27-11 09:22 AM   #38 
  - Does it bother you that I support people's rights and freedoms?  Lucian   May-27-11 03:38 PM   #57 
  - Do you have the ability to form an opinion on an anonymous quote  hulka38   May-27-11 04:08 PM   #61 
  - How about a 'kook' like Dennis Kucinich?  AtheistCrusader   May-27-11 04:52 PM   #72 
  - Yeah, that's an interesting trio.  DCBob   May-27-11 06:57 PM   #92 
  - What does Rand Paul the person have to do with the nature of the PA?  bread_and_roses   May-27-11 06:37 PM   #87 
  - Ummmm.... I think that is the whole point of this thread.  TheEuclideanOne   May-27-11 06:52 PM   #90 
  - Does it bother you that you agree with the kooks who support an unconstitutional law?  former9thward   May-27-11 06:57 PM   #93 
  - I often agree with him. Doesn't  emilyg   May-27-11 09:08 PM   #120 
  - Nope.  krabigirl   May-27-11 10:32 PM   #139 
  - even a broken clock is accurate twice a day  2banon   May-27-11 11:20 PM   #143 
  - Bob, The law is unconstitutional  era veteran   May-28-11 03:00 AM   #150 
  - Most people really don't pay attention  DemReadingDU   May-27-11 06:06 AM   #14 
  - + 1000 nt  steve2470   May-27-11 06:10 AM   #17 
  - What disturbs me is that Leahy, and some others, know better, yet supported this Bill  leveymg   May-27-11 06:33 AM   #22 
  - yeah, it disturbs and saddens me immensely.  cali   May-27-11 03:12 PM   #52 
     - Indeed. they are afraid of fear itself n/t  eridani   May-27-11 07:15 PM   #104 
  - I will not be voting for any Democrat that supports the Patriot Act...  Modern_Matthew   May-27-11 06:42 AM   #23 
  - Just wait till pResident Palin gets to run things and spy on...  Hubert Flottz   May-27-11 06:55 AM   #25 
  - Yes! And my Dem senators voted for it too  dreamnightwind   May-27-11 07:06 AM   #27 
  - And why, in a democracy, cannot an elected Representative talk about implementation of a law?  bread_and_roses   May-27-11 07:57 PM   #116 
  - Since 2001 there's been one US death due to terrorism  Eddie Haskell   May-27-11 07:27 AM   #28 
  - 44,000 deaths due to lack of Healthcare. That is a serious  sabrina 1   May-27-11 06:19 PM   #82 
  - Its trite to say it, "but even a broken clock ..."  ThomWV   May-27-11 07:46 AM   #32 
  - Libertarians and progressives often agree  Bragi   May-27-11 07:54 AM   #33 
  - k&r  meow mix   May-27-11 08:02 AM   #36 
  - What were you expecting?  GeorgeGist   May-27-11 09:20 AM   #37 
  - Right wing or not, Paul is a Libertarian  Tom Rinaldo   May-27-11 12:42 PM   #45 
     - It sucks that our Democrats don't stick to their principles  eilen   May-27-11 05:50 PM   #78 
  - This is one issue  Aerows   May-27-11 09:30 AM   #41 
  - The world seems to get weirder by the day!  MannyGoldstein   May-27-11 12:02 PM   #42 
  - Go here  rpannier   May-27-11 06:31 PM   #85 
  - On this matter, he is right and Harry Reid is WRONG.  Dawson Leery   May-27-11 12:34 PM   #44 
  - Bernie Sanders voted NO on both the 4 year extension and the 3 month extension  slay   May-27-11 03:06 PM   #51 
  - That is the absolute perfect way to phrase this latest failure  hulka38   May-27-11 04:02 PM   #60 
  - Libertarians agree with us on half and with the Republicans on half  treestar   May-27-11 04:15 PM   #64 
  - And against the War On Drugs.  The Green Manalishi   May-27-11 04:54 PM   #73 
     - And for civil rights.  AtheistCrusader   May-27-11 07:05 PM   #98 
  - Why did they hold the vote at the last minute??  kentuck   May-27-11 04:43 PM   #70 
  - Hey...it's Congress... They make their own rules and they are separate from President but Equal.  KoKo   May-27-11 07:06 PM   #100 
  - You want debate and questions and stuff?  jakeXT   May-27-11 04:47 PM   #71 
  - That's really strange that the post was put in the "9/11 Dungeon."  KoKo   May-27-11 07:09 PM   #101 
  - Everything is different now you know since the presidency changed hands.  mmonk   May-27-11 04:57 PM   #75 
  - please, they were salivating to pass the piece of shite  newspeak   May-27-11 05:53 PM   #79 
  - Ridiculous... Completely unjustifiable..  Corruption Winz   May-27-11 06:11 PM   #80 
  - There is no debate in a POLICE STATE. - K&R  DeSwiss   May-27-11 06:23 PM   #83 
  - DeSwiss...you nailed it. Thanks.  russspeakeasy   May-27-11 10:24 PM   #135 
  - Trust in the Secret Interpretation  Stalwart   May-27-11 06:39 PM   #88 
  - A case of IOKIYAD? Or worse...  radhika   May-27-11 07:49 PM   #112 
  - Wait  ProSense   May-27-11 07:53 PM   #113 
  - I agree with you 100%, Cali. REC. nt  bertman   May-27-11 07:53 PM   #114 
  - Recommended. nt  ZombieHorde   May-27-11 08:34 PM   #118 
  - Most Democrats want to fix, not repeal the Patriot Act.  ProSense   May-27-11 09:40 PM   #124 
  - No. There is no fixing evil.  Muskypundit   May-27-11 09:52 PM   #127 
  - "Its evil."  ProSense   May-27-11 09:58 PM   #128 
     - I dont care whatever names you pull out of your.... hat  Muskypundit   May-27-11 10:27 PM   #137 
        - Huh?  ProSense   May-27-11 10:54 PM   #140 
  - yes, we know. They want to work better than it did for Bush/Cheney  2banon   May-27-11 11:31 PM   #144 
  - K&R....it's a crazy, mixed-up world we live in....n/t  unkachuck   May-27-11 09:40 PM   #125 
  - Well, if it's any consolation, your neighboring state of Maine stood up against it....  PotatoChip   May-27-11 10:21 PM   #134 
  - Senator Feinstein and Boxer here.. Feingold was our Sole Opponent of the PA in the Senate  2banon   May-27-11 10:27 PM   #136 
  - Exactly how I felt n/t  lordsummerisle   May-27-11 11:17 PM   #142 
  - Libertarians usually come out in support of civil liberties. Not always but often.  krabigirl   May-27-11 10:31 PM   #138 
  - K&R  Vinee   May-28-11 01:17 AM   #147 
  - I Think Inertia Has Taken Over  ProfessorGAC   May-28-11 05:05 AM   #156 
 

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