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Mon Dec-13-10 09:53 PM
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| 55. You just HAD to dig up this topic, didn't you? |
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I thought this was flamed to death in the Seth Rogan rape scene thread.  |
| -I think some liberals view women as children. |
ZombieHorde |
Dec-13-10 01:58 PM |
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Mmm, I must be getting hungry... |
1955doubledie |
Dec-13-10 02:13 PM |
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Your 2nd example is interesting. Is it rape if a woman has sex with a drunk |
kelly1mm |
Dec-13-10 02:20 PM |
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There's a level of, for lack of a better word, participation... |
Recursion |
Dec-13-10 03:07 PM |
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I've seen it happen |
guitar man |
Dec-13-10 04:37 PM |
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sufficient cocaine can do that |
Sen. Walter Sobchak |
Dec-15-10 05:09 PM |
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Roofies dont make you pass out, nor does 4 loco. |
WingDinger |
Dec-13-10 04:46 PM |
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It is possible for a man's physiology to act without the participation |
Crunchy Frog |
Dec-13-10 09:44 PM |
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Yes. Many men are sometimes "functional" when they are asleep. nt |
ZombieHorde |
Dec-13-10 09:47 PM |
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So society has no duty to protect those under mental impairment? |
blondeatlast |
Dec-13-10 02:41 PM |
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They can legally waive Miranda, can't they? (n/t) |
Shandris |
Dec-13-10 04:12 PM |
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DU is difficult today. nt |
ZombieHorde |
Dec-13-10 04:17 PM |
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I am having a hard time posting today. |
ZombieHorde |
Dec-13-10 04:19 PM |
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2nd example is wrong imo. Drunk people (men/women)are unable to legally consent to anything. |
uppityperson |
Dec-13-10 03:15 PM |
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let's see if this one shows in "my du" or if replying to bug reply doesn't |
uppityperson |
Dec-13-10 03:23 PM |
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No doubt, something is wrong today. nt |
ZombieHorde |
Dec-13-10 04:21 PM |
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So, according to you, when two drunk adults have sex they're both rapists? |
TexasObserver |
Dec-13-10 03:30 PM |
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Yes. It may seem odd, but yes. Being intoxicated means they cannot give legal consent. |
uppityperson |
Dec-13-10 04:15 PM |
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I would ask: To what law do you refer to? |
Xicano |
Dec-13-10 07:45 PM |
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Prollee to the one that voids any contracted signed while under the influence. |
lonestarnot |
Dec-13-10 08:13 PM |
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Then you should be able to cite the statute which makes it so. |
TexasObserver |
Dec-13-10 08:20 PM |
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I'm not an attorney. Maybe you could contact one to find the specific law? |
uppityperson |
Dec-13-10 09:19 PM |
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When an adult couple is arrested for raping each other, it will be a first. |
TexasObserver |
Dec-13-10 09:34 PM |
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I doubt it would happen, a lawsuit like that, but it could. |
uppityperson |
Dec-13-10 09:41 PM |
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We're talking about criminal cases, not civil lawsuits. |
TexasObserver |
Dec-13-10 09:54 PM |
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Drunk people (men/women)are unable to legally consent to anything. |
uppityperson |
Dec-13-10 09:56 PM |
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That is simply incorrect. |
TexasObserver |
Dec-13-10 10:16 PM |
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A point of clarity: |
darkstar3 |
Dec-13-10 10:21 PM |
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Can't sign a consent to surgery either. |
uppityperson |
Dec-13-10 10:25 PM |
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Deleted sub-thread |
Name removed |
Dec-13-10 10:22 PM |
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Every week, every night, all over America, drunk adults have consensual sex. |
guitar man |
Dec-14-10 07:56 AM |
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Well bully for your parents. Of course we do. Just need to be careful |
uppityperson |
Dec-14-10 11:50 AM |
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I think you have a skewed interpretation that should be rebuked. |
TheKentuckian |
Dec-15-10 05:12 PM |
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Have you ever driven and come across a stop sign and no cars around? |
uppityperson |
Dec-15-10 06:30 PM |
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Does that include a sobriety test? |
The Straight Story |
Dec-13-10 03:55 PM |
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Drunk is not safe to drive, inebriated is not safe to walk. |
ZombieHorde |
Dec-13-10 04:25 PM |
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I do. The ones under 18, at any rate. nt |
Occam Bandage |
Dec-13-10 03:23 PM |
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I call them girls, as opposed to women, but I do appreciate a smart ass. ;) nt |
ZombieHorde |
Dec-13-10 04:26 PM |
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Oh, boy. |
Warren DeMontague |
Dec-13-10 03:53 PM |
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My wife and sometimes share a bottle of wine and have fun. |
ZombieHorde |
Dec-13-10 04:29 PM |
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Between committed partners I can see some degree of implied consent (morally as well as legally). |
blondeatlast |
Dec-13-10 05:04 PM |
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Yep - 99% of the student body, male & female, at my alma mater, for starters. n/t. |
apocalypsehow |
Dec-13-10 06:04 PM |
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I imagine we often infer only those things that validate our opinions... |
LanternWaste |
Dec-13-10 04:29 PM |
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When you say "some liberals," do you mean some liberal men or are women included? It's not |
Liquorice |
Dec-13-10 06:00 PM |
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Are you saying some people feel mocking men is more OK because men are the cause of |
ZombieHorde |
Dec-13-10 07:44 PM |
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No I'm not saying that. I'm saying that men are the aggressors in most |
Liquorice |
Dec-13-10 08:01 PM |
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Some men use alcohol as a rape drug |
Nikia |
Dec-13-10 07:26 PM |
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I feel like I am still in control of my sexuality when I drink. |
ZombieHorde |
Dec-13-10 07:50 PM |
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Your experience isn't universally applicable. eom |
Hello_Kitty |
Dec-13-10 08:51 PM |
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You make a good point. Some humans may have a will which is easily conquered by alcohol, but |
ZombieHorde |
Dec-13-10 08:56 PM |
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I'm not really liking your rhetoric here. eom |
Hello_Kitty |
Dec-13-10 09:16 PM |
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I am trying to clearly state my interpretation of the replies I am reading. |
ZombieHorde |
Dec-13-10 09:27 PM |
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You put both feet in it with your second example. |
darkstar3 |
Dec-13-10 07:43 PM |
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"If they won't fuck you sober, it's rape." |
ZombieHorde |
Dec-13-10 08:24 PM |
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Internal consistency would dictate "yes". |
darkstar3 |
Dec-13-10 09:00 PM |
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Pretty much any rule about human behavior is going to have some weird exceptions, but I think your |
ZombieHorde |
Dec-13-10 09:22 PM |
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"if neither party regrets the sex, then the sex was not rape." |
darkstar3 |
Dec-13-10 09:45 PM |
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Would the caveat have to be applied in reverse? |
ZombieHorde |
Dec-13-10 09:57 PM |
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You're not talking about a law, |
darkstar3 |
Dec-13-10 10:01 PM |
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God dammit, I thought I had a wicked point. |
ZombieHorde |
Dec-13-10 10:52 PM |
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If one's spouce gets drunk and has sex with someone outside of the marriage, |
ZombieHorde |
Dec-14-10 11:51 PM |
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Tough to answer based on that small amount of information. |
darkstar3 |
Dec-15-10 01:16 PM |
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I agree human behavior is complex and varied. |
ZombieHorde |
Dec-15-10 01:22 PM |
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It would be easier if people could separate |
darkstar3 |
Dec-15-10 01:38 PM |
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A person has the right to say no at any point... except afterwards. n/t |
lumberjack_jeff |
Dec-16-10 09:53 AM |
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I am in agreement with you here. |
uppityperson |
Dec-13-10 10:04 PM |
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Well, in order, thank you, and you're welcome. |
darkstar3 |
Dec-13-10 10:16 PM |
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How is she to know that I wouldn't have sex with her if I was sober? n/t |
lumberjack_jeff |
Dec-15-10 12:13 PM |
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I think guys just have a sicker sense of humor about castration but also rape etc... I don;t think |
bettyellen |
Dec-13-10 07:46 PM |
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I agree. nt |
Liquorice |
Dec-13-10 08:08 PM |
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I don't think more women should be prosicuted for rape, I just don't think drunk sex |
ZombieHorde |
Dec-13-10 08:11 PM |
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So when a drunk man and woman have sex... |
Lucian |
Dec-13-10 08:13 PM |
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I think each situation is different. In some situations, neither of them are rapists. nt |
ZombieHorde |
Dec-13-10 08:28 PM |
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I think Bill Maher is a sexist pig. |
undeterred |
Dec-13-10 08:13 PM |
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Some of his jokes about women don't seem like jokes. |
ZombieHorde |
Dec-13-10 08:26 PM |
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He truly seems to believe that all women exist for the purpose |
undeterred |
Dec-13-10 08:50 PM |
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he is absolutely disgusting |
Skittles |
Dec-13-10 08:47 PM |
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You just HAD to dig up this topic, didn't you? |
Odin2005 |
Dec-13-10 09:53 PM |
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I think this tread has been mostly constructive, and many of the replies have been |
ZombieHorde |
Dec-14-10 12:11 AM |
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I'm sorry, I'm trying to understand this... |
HEyHEY |
Dec-13-10 10:01 PM |
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I don't think women always stick together. I don't see a lot of |
ZombieHorde |
Dec-14-10 12:10 AM |
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How do you think conservatives view women? |
Jim__ |
Dec-14-10 08:08 AM |
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I think many conservatives view women as designed by God to be inferior. |
ZombieHorde |
Dec-14-10 08:26 AM |
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I'm not clear on how your observation pertains to liberals, as liberals. |
Jim__ |
Dec-14-10 09:09 AM |
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I grew up Roman Catholic, so that is the religous group I pick on the most. |
ZombieHorde |
Dec-14-10 09:47 AM |
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"thoughtful", now that's funny.... n/t. |
okieinpain |
Dec-14-10 09:20 AM |
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No. Regardless of gender, you cannot properly consent if you're impaired by drugs or alcohol. |
lightningandsnow |
Dec-14-10 09:56 AM |
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My wife and I sometimes have some drinks and then have some fun. |
ZombieHorde |
Dec-14-10 10:30 AM |
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you ain't got no pancake mix |
snooper2 |
Dec-14-10 11:51 AM |
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Especially those under 18. |
ChairmanAgnostic |
Dec-14-10 12:04 PM |
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After many years |
caty |
Dec-14-10 04:39 PM |
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"Instead of using differences as weapons, we should use them to help each other." |
ZombieHorde |
Dec-14-10 11:42 PM |
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Nice. Can we not want to "take care" of each other without implying diminution? |
DirkGently |
Dec-15-10 04:53 PM |
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Here you go |
ismnotwasm |
Dec-15-10 12:26 AM |
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I am hoping to take a women's study course at my university. |
ZombieHorde |
Dec-15-10 12:13 PM |
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I disagree for the most part. |
DirkGently |
Dec-15-10 04:34 PM |
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Not all sex is male + female. Some is male + male, or female + female, etc. |
ZombieHorde |
Dec-15-10 05:29 PM |
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Don't disagree with that. But male + female + booze = more threat to the woman. |
DirkGently |
Dec-15-10 06:25 PM |
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Are you saying women are intellectually inferior to men? nt |
ZombieHorde |
Dec-15-10 07:03 PM |
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What does intellectual capacity have to do with rape? |
DirkGently |
Dec-15-10 10:13 PM |
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The ability to consent comes from the mind. nt |
ZombieHorde |
Dec-16-10 10:30 AM |
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These neat reversals never work for me. |
Sparkly |
Dec-15-10 04:59 PM |
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I am not reversing anything other than the opinion men are intellectually superior to women. nt |
ZombieHorde |
Dec-15-10 05:50 PM |
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No, you are using "reversal" as a test of gender bias. |
Sparkly |
Dec-15-10 06:49 PM |
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Yes. Moreover, equality is not sameness. |
DirkGently |
Dec-15-10 10:35 PM |
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There is nothing in our culture and there is nothing in a women's physiology which makes her |
ZombieHorde |
Dec-15-10 11:01 PM |
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"less competent than men" -- of course not. |
Sparkly |
Dec-16-10 09:27 AM |
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You have not seen the claim, if she's drunk, it's rape? |
ZombieHorde |
Dec-16-10 10:45 PM |
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If the genders are not interchangeable, they are not equal. |
lumberjack_jeff |
Dec-16-10 09:51 AM |
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The poster is correct. No neat reversal is possible here. Rape is not an intellectual contest. |
DirkGently |
Dec-15-10 10:30 PM |
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Your edit is what I am talking about. We both seem to agree on this subject. |
ZombieHorde |
Dec-15-10 10:49 PM |
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Sorry, maybe I missed the point at the jump. I wouldn't assume sex with a drunken woman must be rape |
DirkGently |
Dec-15-10 10:55 PM |
#105 |
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