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Mon May-23-11 01:19 PM
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| 79. and don't forget this.. |
| -3 new expansions of Surveillance State cloak the powerful in secrecy and make our lives open books |
nashville_brook |
May-22-11 07:17 PM |
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K&R |
Exilednight |
May-22-11 07:24 PM |
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K & R |
lonestarnot |
May-22-11 07:46 PM |
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62% of DUers (in a recent poll) agree with that. I'm surprised it was that low a % |
Electric Monk |
May-22-11 07:49 PM |
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"panopticon" is right -- i think most people aren't aware of how bad it's become |
nashville_brook |
May-22-11 07:57 PM |
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The internet was invented by ARPA, so I fully expect everything I type to be read by one of em |
Electric Monk |
May-22-11 08:09 PM |
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“Education is dangerous - |
Kaleko |
May-22-11 10:07 PM |
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Them eddicated 'people' strongly tend to be more Liberal too! |
Cherchez la Femme |
May-23-11 06:59 PM |
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and that is the true danger of 'left cover', that somehow the police state is more benign under the |
stockholmer |
May-23-11 05:17 AM |
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Exactly so. Right or left hand, each can hold a club. And what happens when the right it back? |
DirkGently |
May-23-11 09:26 AM |
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They have 'non-partisan' precendents: that's what happens. |
Cherchez la Femme |
May-23-11 07:07 PM |
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It seems to me that they are already using it against citizens.... |
blackspade |
May-23-11 08:39 AM |
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well, the scary thing is that we'd have no way of knowing w/o a whistleblower |
nashville_brook |
May-23-11 08:59 AM |
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How are they using it against citizens? |
CoffeeCat |
May-23-11 11:06 AM |
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that's the ultimate question -- if it's all secret, we have no way to know. however, certain folks |
nashville_brook |
May-23-11 11:54 AM |
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Yep, that makes sense... |
CoffeeCat |
May-23-11 12:40 PM |
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think: Eliot Spitzer. or, think about a private prison system needing "clients".... |
nashville_brook |
May-23-11 04:20 PM |
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The Panopticon model |
Cherchez la Femme |
May-23-11 06:50 PM |
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Secret spying for secret reasons based on secret legal rationale. INDEFENSIBLE. |
DirkGently |
May-22-11 07:52 PM |
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well, maybe someone here will try to defend it...i wonder what grounds they'd use? |
nashville_brook |
May-22-11 11:44 PM |
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the vast bulk of people(in the world)will 'defend it' through silence & the willful act of ignoring |
stockholmer |
May-23-11 10:34 AM |
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"It isn't creeping fascisim when WE do it?" |
DirkGently |
May-23-11 11:15 AM |
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The establishment has defended it since 9/11 |
noise |
May-23-11 11:27 AM |
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K&R |
The Backlash Cometh |
May-22-11 08:05 PM |
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Not sure I really care anymore |
The Straight Story |
May-22-11 08:10 PM |
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i hear you, and you nailed with the last sentence..."we'll give them away" |
nashville_brook |
May-22-11 10:47 PM |
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or we'll even pay for them! |
appal_jack |
May-23-11 09:43 AM |
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thanks...and i totally get it about the cell phone! |
nashville_brook |
May-23-11 09:58 AM |
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...which I why I use a throwaway Tracphone. |
Occulus |
May-23-11 10:47 AM |
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Thank you for |
christx30 |
May-23-11 10:22 AM |
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So, so true... |
CoffeeCat |
May-23-11 11:10 AM |
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You're confusing things a bit here |
liberation |
May-23-11 12:25 PM |
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would i give up my smoking habit and caffeine binges for single-payer? |
nashville_brook |
May-23-11 12:29 PM |
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So the govt decides to pick up the tab on things and then they control your life |
The Straight Story |
May-23-11 04:04 PM |
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since the govt isn't in the habit of picking up anyone's tab except GoldmanSachs, we're getting |
nashville_brook |
May-23-11 05:54 PM |
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Thank you, n_b |
HCE SuiGeneris |
May-22-11 08:37 PM |
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HUGE K & R !!! |
WillyT |
May-22-11 09:35 PM |
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K&R'd |
snot |
May-22-11 11:42 PM |
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Cue the "Obama is a Saint who Can Do No Wrong" Brigade in |
coalition_unwilling |
May-23-11 12:30 AM |
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surprised they haven't shown up yet -- maybe this is beyond the pale for them too. |
nashville_brook |
May-23-11 07:05 AM |
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Nah -- they just know they'd lose the argument |
Donnachaidh |
May-23-11 07:55 AM |
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damn, i've been busy baking them a cake, too. |
nashville_brook |
May-23-11 08:31 AM |
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And isn't that the biggest dupe of all? |
CoffeeCat |
May-23-11 11:18 AM |
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amen! |
nashville_brook |
May-23-11 11:25 AM |
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Yup. Nailed it C Cat. |
Donnachaidh |
May-23-11 11:41 AM |
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ty..the adoring fan base is unnatural..its teeny bopper especially when considering info such |
xiamiam |
May-23-11 06:03 PM |
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They never debate the issues. They only attack the messengers. nt |
Lorien |
May-23-11 05:54 PM |
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Maybe they realize they can't spin this one |
MissDeeds |
May-23-11 10:52 AM |
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or...maybe they were RAPTURED!! |
nashville_brook |
May-23-11 10:58 AM |
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...! |
DirkGently |
May-23-11 06:53 PM |
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Note how most of their posts are about his popularity or his image. The fawning |
Lorien |
May-23-11 05:53 PM |
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lol Lorien. I just made that same comparison..as that's the over the top swooners impress me now..n |
xiamiam |
May-23-11 06:05 PM |
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kr |
Hannah Bell |
May-23-11 12:57 AM |
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k/r |
emilyg |
May-23-11 01:15 AM |
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K&R |
me b zola |
May-23-11 01:18 AM |
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^^^ |
Gravel Democrat |
May-23-11 05:32 AM |
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Judging from this thread, most of us on DU are running around |
JDPriestly |
May-23-11 12:48 PM |
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that is so totally the case. hmmm - wonder what PDK would say about this? |
nashville_brook |
May-23-11 02:56 PM |
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I know that petitions do nothing besides raising awareness. |
dotymed |
May-23-11 06:04 AM |
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you know, i actually saw something this weekend about a May 24 call-in push |
nashville_brook |
May-23-11 07:04 AM |
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This the exact kind of thing I didn't sign up for and hoped would be beyond the pale for |
TheKentuckian |
May-23-11 06:35 AM |
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This is very telling if you are not afraid to look directly at it. |
Bonobo |
May-23-11 06:35 AM |
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:) that's a good one. |
nashville_brook |
May-23-11 06:49 AM |
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K&R |
Luciferous |
May-23-11 06:57 AM |
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K&R... |
Hubert Flottz |
May-23-11 06:59 AM |
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Hubert Flottz |
Diclotican |
May-23-11 09:04 AM |
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Since a war was never declared, neither will peace. Such power is not given up voluntarily. |
leveymg |
May-23-11 07:08 AM |
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Exactly |
hootinholler |
May-23-11 09:49 AM |
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a constitutional scholar of national repute(albeit repute coming from being POTUS) is EXPANDING & |
stockholmer |
May-23-11 10:44 AM |
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I think the "constitutional scholar" credential was oversold, and the corporate lawyer ignored |
leveymg |
May-23-11 12:31 PM |
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That *and* the community organizer |
hootinholler |
May-23-11 04:03 PM |
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Shows how easy it is to knock the wind out of reformist politics in America |
leveymg |
May-23-11 04:30 PM |
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Makes one wonder indeed. |
hootinholler |
May-23-11 07:50 PM |
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i'm realizing, this is our "I Told You So" moment -- and it needs to be said repeatedly... |
nashville_brook |
May-23-11 09:54 AM |
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"War is Peace" isn't just a slogan - it's a form of governance. The US hasn't had a moment of peace |
leveymg |
May-23-11 12:50 PM |
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Unreal. |
blackspade |
May-23-11 08:37 AM |
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pols never give up power willingly, and now it seems we can't even know what powers they're grabbing |
nashville_brook |
May-23-11 09:34 AM |
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No doubt! |
blackspade |
May-23-11 10:15 AM |
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Which is why |
christx30 |
May-23-11 10:30 AM |
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well said! |
nashville_brook |
May-23-11 10:33 AM |
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Anti-Terrorism and Effective Death Penalty Act of 1996 and the 1996 Telecommunications Act laid some |
stockholmer |
May-23-11 11:43 AM |
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i was such a Clintonite dingle berry back then that I completely blocked-out how bad the Telecom Act |
nashville_brook |
May-23-11 12:15 PM |
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k&r n/t |
Hotler |
May-23-11 09:00 AM |
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Transparentcy... |
Javaman |
May-23-11 09:59 AM |
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K&R |
CrispyQ |
May-23-11 10:24 AM |
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K&R. nt |
OnyxCollie |
May-23-11 10:33 AM |
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k&r |
JackRiddler |
May-23-11 10:51 AM |
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The Corpzis are consolidating their control. They |
Zorra |
May-23-11 10:52 AM |
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K&R |
MissDeeds |
May-23-11 10:53 AM |
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Yep, tyranny is not a left vs. right issue. Nt |
krabigirl |
May-23-11 10:59 AM |
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Land of the Free? |
progressoid |
May-23-11 11:00 AM |
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Secret Government is UNDEMOCRATIC Government |
Octafish |
May-23-11 12:37 PM |
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that's a great example -- also the RNC convention protestors |
nashville_brook |
May-23-11 01:04 PM |
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Very well stated Octafish. |
suffragette |
May-23-11 02:24 PM |
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Were you able to catch last night's "Sixty Minutes" |
truedelphi |
May-23-11 02:34 PM |
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"Drake." The New Yorker article about him is what got Greenwald started on this. |
DirkGently |
May-23-11 03:58 PM |
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The Founders understood that. Any abuse that can be carried out in secret. WILL. |
DirkGently |
May-23-11 03:26 PM |
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not even super scary middle eastern things with hard-to-prounounce names? |
nashville_brook |
May-23-11 03:31 PM |
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Well, of course, wars & violence hadn't been invented then. |
DirkGently |
May-23-11 03:38 PM |
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yup |
fascisthunter |
May-23-11 04:42 PM |
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I love transparency |
Angry Dragon |
May-23-11 01:09 PM |
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and don't forget this.. |
BetsysGhost |
May-23-11 01:19 PM |
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they've expanded the use of wire taps etc |
formernaderite |
May-23-11 03:40 PM |
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couple this with prison privatization and i see the next bubble market. |
nashville_brook |
May-23-11 04:14 PM |
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K & R |
Better Believe It |
May-23-11 04:03 PM |
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I'm Supposed to Feel Safer Now? |
fascisthunter |
May-23-11 04:41 PM |
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Kicked |
a simple pattern |
May-23-11 04:44 PM |
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welcome to DU! |
nashville_brook |
May-23-11 05:43 PM |
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WHY do you despise America? WHY?? |
Cherchez la Femme |
May-23-11 06:26 PM |
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this has made my day!! hippie-weasels unite!! |
nashville_brook |
May-23-11 06:47 PM |
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Crypto-fasc-tastic! |
DirkGently |
May-23-11 06:54 PM |
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naughty! |
nashville_brook |
May-23-11 07:37 PM |
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K&R n/t |
lordsummerisle |
May-23-11 06:37 PM |
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K&R n/t |
DeSwiss |
May-23-11 06:49 PM |
#106 |
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