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Luciferous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-11 06:57 AM
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25. K&R
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  -3 new expansions of Surveillance State cloak the powerful in secrecy and make our lives open books nashville_brook  May-22-11 07:17 PM   #0 
  - K&R  Exilednight   May-22-11 07:24 PM   #1 
  - K & R  lonestarnot   May-22-11 07:46 PM   #2 
  - 62% of DUers (in a recent poll) agree with that. I'm surprised it was that low a %  Electric Monk   May-22-11 07:49 PM   #3 
  - "panopticon" is right -- i think most people aren't aware of how bad it's become  nashville_brook   May-22-11 07:57 PM   #5 
  - The internet was invented by ARPA, so I fully expect everything I type to be read by one of em  Electric Monk   May-22-11 08:09 PM   #7 
  - Education is dangerous -  Kaleko   May-22-11 10:07 PM   #11 
  - Them eddicated 'people' strongly tend to be more Liberal too!  Cherchez la Femme   May-23-11 06:59 PM   #110 
  - and that is the true danger of 'left cover', that somehow the police state is more benign under the  stockholmer   May-23-11 05:17 AM   #19 
  - Exactly so. Right or left hand, each can hold a club. And what happens when the right it back?  DirkGently   May-23-11 09:26 AM   #37 
     - They have 'non-partisan' precendents: that's what happens.  Cherchez la Femme   May-23-11 07:07 PM   #111 
  - It seems to me that they are already using it against citizens....  blackspade   May-23-11 08:39 AM   #33 
     - well, the scary thing is that we'd have no way of knowing w/o a whistleblower  nashville_brook   May-23-11 08:59 AM   #34 
     - How are they using it against citizens?  CoffeeCat   May-23-11 11:06 AM   #60 
        - that's the ultimate question -- if it's all secret, we have no way to know. however, certain folks  nashville_brook   May-23-11 11:54 AM   #68 
           - Yep, that makes sense...  CoffeeCat   May-23-11 12:40 PM   #74 
              - think: Eliot Spitzer. or, think about a private prison system needing "clients"....  nashville_brook   May-23-11 04:20 PM   #92 
  - The Panopticon model  Cherchez la Femme   May-23-11 06:50 PM   #107 
  - Secret spying for secret reasons based on secret legal rationale. INDEFENSIBLE.  DirkGently   May-22-11 07:52 PM   #4 
  - well, maybe someone here will try to defend it...i wonder what grounds they'd use?  nashville_brook   May-22-11 11:44 PM   #14 
     - the vast bulk of people(in the world)will 'defend it' through silence & the willful act of ignoring  stockholmer   May-23-11 10:34 AM   #50 
     - "It isn't creeping fascisim when WE do it?"  DirkGently   May-23-11 11:15 AM   #62 
     - The establishment has defended it since 9/11  noise   May-23-11 11:27 AM   #65 
  - K&R  The Backlash Cometh   May-22-11 08:05 PM   #6 
  - Not sure I really care anymore  The Straight Story   May-22-11 08:10 PM   #8 
  - i hear you, and you nailed with the last sentence..."we'll give them away"  nashville_brook   May-22-11 10:47 PM   #12 
  - or we'll even pay for them!  appal_jack   May-23-11 09:43 AM   #39 
     - thanks...and i totally get it about the cell phone!  nashville_brook   May-23-11 09:58 AM   #42 
     - ...which I why I use a throwaway Tracphone.  Occulus   May-23-11 10:47 AM   #52 
  - Thank you for  christx30   May-23-11 10:22 AM   #45 
  - So, so true...  CoffeeCat   May-23-11 11:10 AM   #61 
  - You're confusing things a bit here  liberation   May-23-11 12:25 PM   #70 
     - would i give up my smoking habit and caffeine binges for single-payer?  nashville_brook   May-23-11 12:29 PM   #71 
     - So the govt decides to pick up the tab on things and then they control your life  The Straight Story   May-23-11 04:04 PM   #90 
        - since the govt isn't in the habit of picking up anyone's tab except GoldmanSachs, we're getting  nashville_brook   May-23-11 05:54 PM   #100 
  - Thank you, n_b  HCE SuiGeneris   May-22-11 08:37 PM   #9 
  - HUGE K & R !!!  WillyT   May-22-11 09:35 PM   #10 
  - K&R'd  snot   May-22-11 11:42 PM   #13 
  - Cue the "Obama is a Saint who Can Do No Wrong" Brigade in  coalition_unwilling   May-23-11 12:30 AM   #15 
  - surprised they haven't shown up yet -- maybe this is beyond the pale for them too.  nashville_brook   May-23-11 07:05 AM   #28 
  - Nah -- they just know they'd lose the argument  Donnachaidh   May-23-11 07:55 AM   #30 
     - damn, i've been busy baking them a cake, too.  nashville_brook   May-23-11 08:31 AM   #31 
     - And isn't that the biggest dupe of all?  CoffeeCat   May-23-11 11:18 AM   #63 
     - amen!  nashville_brook   May-23-11 11:25 AM   #64 
     - Yup. Nailed it C Cat.  Donnachaidh   May-23-11 11:41 AM   #66 
     - ty..the adoring fan base is unnatural..its teeny bopper especially when considering info such  xiamiam   May-23-11 06:03 PM   #101 
     - They never debate the issues. They only attack the messengers. nt  Lorien   May-23-11 05:54 PM   #99 
  - Maybe they realize they can't spin this one  MissDeeds   May-23-11 10:52 AM   #54 
  - or...maybe they were RAPTURED!!  nashville_brook   May-23-11 10:58 AM   #57 
     - ...!  DirkGently   May-23-11 06:53 PM   #108 
  - Note how most of their posts are about his popularity or his image. The fawning  Lorien   May-23-11 05:53 PM   #98 
     - lol Lorien. I just made that same comparison..as that's the over the top swooners impress me now..n  xiamiam   May-23-11 06:05 PM   #102 
  - kr  Hannah Bell   May-23-11 12:57 AM   #16 
  - k/r  emilyg   May-23-11 01:15 AM   #17 
  - K&R  me b zola   May-23-11 01:18 AM   #18 
  - ^^^  Gravel Democrat   May-23-11 05:32 AM   #20 
  - Judging from this thread, most of us on DU are running around  JDPriestly   May-23-11 12:48 PM   #75 
  - that is so totally the case. hmmm - wonder what PDK would say about this?  nashville_brook   May-23-11 02:56 PM   #82 
  - I know that petitions do nothing besides raising awareness.  dotymed   May-23-11 06:04 AM   #21 
  - you know, i actually saw something this weekend about a May 24 call-in push  nashville_brook   May-23-11 07:04 AM   #27 
  - This the exact kind of thing I didn't sign up for and hoped would be beyond the pale for  TheKentuckian   May-23-11 06:35 AM   #22 
  - This is very telling if you are not afraid to look directly at it.  Bonobo   May-23-11 06:35 AM   #23 
  - :) that's a good one.  nashville_brook   May-23-11 06:49 AM   #24 
  - K&R  Luciferous   May-23-11 06:57 AM   #25 
  - K&R...  Hubert Flottz   May-23-11 06:59 AM   #26 
  - Hubert Flottz  Diclotican   May-23-11 09:04 AM   #36 
  - Since a war was never declared, neither will peace. Such power is not given up voluntarily.  leveymg   May-23-11 07:08 AM   #29 
  - Exactly  hootinholler   May-23-11 09:49 AM   #40 
  - a constitutional scholar of national repute(albeit repute coming from being POTUS) is EXPANDING &  stockholmer   May-23-11 10:44 AM   #51 
  - I think the "constitutional scholar" credential was oversold, and the corporate lawyer ignored  leveymg   May-23-11 12:31 PM   #72 
     - That *and* the community organizer  hootinholler   May-23-11 04:03 PM   #88 
        - Shows how easy it is to knock the wind out of reformist politics in America  leveymg   May-23-11 04:30 PM   #93 
           - Makes one wonder indeed.  hootinholler   May-23-11 07:50 PM   #113 
  - i'm realizing, this is our "I Told You So" moment -- and it needs to be said repeatedly...  nashville_brook   May-23-11 09:54 AM   #41 
     - "War is Peace" isn't just a slogan - it's a form of governance. The US hasn't had a moment of peace  leveymg   May-23-11 12:50 PM   #76 
  - Unreal.  blackspade   May-23-11 08:37 AM   #32 
  - pols never give up power willingly, and now it seems we can't even know what powers they're grabbing  nashville_brook   May-23-11 09:34 AM   #38 
  - No doubt!  blackspade   May-23-11 10:15 AM   #44 
  - Which is why  christx30   May-23-11 10:30 AM   #47 
     - well said!  nashville_brook   May-23-11 10:33 AM   #48 
  - Anti-Terrorism and Effective Death Penalty Act of 1996 and the 1996 Telecommunications Act laid some  stockholmer   May-23-11 11:43 AM   #67 
     - i was such a Clintonite dingle berry back then that I completely blocked-out how bad the Telecom Act  nashville_brook   May-23-11 12:15 PM   #69 
  - k&r n/t  Hotler   May-23-11 09:00 AM   #35 
  - Transparentcy...  Javaman   May-23-11 09:59 AM   #43 
  - K&R  CrispyQ   May-23-11 10:24 AM   #46 
  - K&R. nt  OnyxCollie   May-23-11 10:33 AM   #49 
  - k&r  JackRiddler   May-23-11 10:51 AM   #53 
  - The Corpzis are consolidating their control. They  Zorra   May-23-11 10:52 AM   #55 
  - K&R  MissDeeds   May-23-11 10:53 AM   #56 
  - Yep, tyranny is not a left vs. right issue. Nt  krabigirl   May-23-11 10:59 AM   #58 
  - Land of the Free?  progressoid   May-23-11 11:00 AM   #59 
  - Secret Government is UNDEMOCRATIC Government  Octafish   May-23-11 12:37 PM   #73 
  - that's a great example -- also the RNC convention protestors  nashville_brook   May-23-11 01:04 PM   #77 
  - Very well stated Octafish.  suffragette   May-23-11 02:24 PM   #80 
  - Were you able to catch last night's "Sixty Minutes"  truedelphi   May-23-11 02:34 PM   #81 
  - "Drake." The New Yorker article about him is what got Greenwald started on this.  DirkGently   May-23-11 03:58 PM   #87 
  - The Founders understood that. Any abuse that can be carried out in secret. WILL.  DirkGently   May-23-11 03:26 PM   #83 
  - not even super scary middle eastern things with hard-to-prounounce names?  nashville_brook   May-23-11 03:31 PM   #84 
     - Well, of course, wars & violence hadn't been invented then.  DirkGently   May-23-11 03:38 PM   #85 
  - yup  fascisthunter   May-23-11 04:42 PM   #95 
  - I love transparency  Angry Dragon   May-23-11 01:09 PM   #78 
  - and don't forget this..  BetsysGhost   May-23-11 01:19 PM   #79 
  - they've expanded the use of wire taps etc  formernaderite   May-23-11 03:40 PM   #86 
  - couple this with prison privatization and i see the next bubble market.  nashville_brook   May-23-11 04:14 PM   #91 
  - K & R  Better Believe It   May-23-11 04:03 PM   #89 
  - I'm Supposed to Feel Safer Now?  fascisthunter   May-23-11 04:41 PM   #94 
  - Kicked  a simple pattern   May-23-11 04:44 PM   #96 
  - welcome to DU!  nashville_brook   May-23-11 05:43 PM   #97 
  - WHY do you despise America? WHY??  Cherchez la Femme   May-23-11 06:26 PM   #103 
  - this has made my day!! hippie-weasels unite!!  nashville_brook   May-23-11 06:47 PM   #105 
  - Crypto-fasc-tastic!  DirkGently   May-23-11 06:54 PM   #109 
     - naughty!  nashville_brook   May-23-11 07:37 PM   #112 
  - K&R n/t  lordsummerisle   May-23-11 06:37 PM   #104 
  - K&R n/t  DeSwiss   May-23-11 06:49 PM   #106 
 

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