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wickerwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-11 05:47 PM
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111. The Catholic church is still pretty strong in France.
A really good movie, if you haven't seen it, is "Ma Vie En Rose". It's about a French family that moves to a conservative suburb and get completely ostracized because one of their kids likes to crossdress.

It draws a good contrast between the progressive younger couple and their older very Catholic neighbors. The older wife refuses to wear her hemline above the knee because "my husband wouldn't like it". Meanwhile her husband scopes all the younger more attractive women.

I suspect the same is true in France as in America- some people are very liberal and some people (who get a lot of press) are retrograde embarrassments.
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  -French Women 'Stunned' By Public Misogyny Following DSK's Arrest sufrommich  May-22-11 11:14 AM   #0 
  - At least this story is initiating public conversations about the issues  Liberal_in_LA   May-22-11 11:31 AM   #1 
  - 10% of rape is reported, leaving 90% of rape not reported, .....  seabeyond   May-22-11 11:41 AM   #2 
  - That article shocked and horrified me.  Odin2005   May-22-11 11:42 AM   #3 
  - that article and all the rest that were provided in the thread did not surprise me at all.  seabeyond   May-22-11 11:44 AM   #4 
  - Yes, you tend to be very reasonable / level headed, your response was uncharacteristic.  joshcryer   May-22-11 11:56 AM   #8 
     - I have a friend who was raped, so such stuff tends to get me worked up.  Odin2005   May-22-11 01:06 PM   #32 
  - Wow. It's 1959 over there. nt  sufrommich   May-22-11 11:46 AM   #5 
  - i am sayin... nt  seabeyond   May-22-11 11:46 AM   #6 
  - Seems like it.  joshcryer   May-22-11 11:56 AM   #7 
  - have you ever been there? Just curious.  krabigirl   May-22-11 12:09 PM   #21 
  - i am LISTENING to the women in france. i am seeing the statistics in france.  seabeyond   May-22-11 12:13 PM   #25 
  - Nope, simply "going somewhere" doesn't tell you very much.  joshcryer   May-22-11 12:14 PM   #26 
     - link to gender gap report:  joshcryer   May-22-11 12:17 PM   #29 
  - yeah, & that paragon of women's equality, ireland, = no. 6.  Hannah Bell   May-23-11 06:25 AM   #52 
     - And Venezuela is 64  leftynyc   May-23-11 08:10 AM   #60 
     - uh -- that josh's gender survey doesn't measure anything useful?  Hannah Bell   May-23-11 01:44 PM   #95 
        - Yes, I read everything  leftynyc   May-23-11 03:10 PM   #103 
           - um -- because it's an obviously developed country in which women have full rights  Hannah Bell   May-23-11 05:30 PM   #108 
     - My understanding of women in the Soviet Union was that  whathehell   May-23-11 08:29 AM   #63 
        - which is different from the us how (except for the specious traditional 'saying')?  Hannah Bell   May-23-11 01:43 PM   #94 
           - Sorry if I've touched a nerve...  whathehell   May-23-11 03:39 PM   #104 
              - being as i can pick out any number of "traditional sayings" in europe/us which don't  Hannah Bell   May-23-11 05:32 PM   #109 
                 - "being as you can"....knock yourself out.  whathehell   May-23-11 05:42 PM   #110 
                    - The difference being, my remark about ireland is in the context of josh's claim  Hannah Bell   May-23-11 05:55 PM   #112 
                       - I guess you're getting confused about your "opponents" on this issue, lol  whathehell   May-23-11 06:12 PM   #113 
                          - russia. whatever. all such "lists" are essentially fraudulent, in service of political ends.  Hannah Bell   May-23-11 06:20 PM   #114 
                             - Yeah, sure.  whathehell   May-23-11 06:32 PM   #115 
                                - Deleted message  Name removed   May-23-11 11:15 PM   #116 
                                - red-baiting.  Hannah Bell   May-24-11 02:03 PM   #117 
  - no, it isn't.  krabigirl   May-22-11 12:08 PM   #19 
  - Do you really want to use this as a point in nationalist pride?  JackRiddler   May-23-11 10:36 AM   #85 
     - What is nationalist about an era? nt  sufrommich   May-23-11 11:43 AM   #91 
        - Please, the implication is clear...  JackRiddler   May-23-11 11:54 AM   #92 
           - prior to these articles  seabeyond   May-23-11 12:01 PM   #93 
              - Spinny-spin-spin.  JackRiddler   May-23-11 02:26 PM   #101 
                 - .  seabeyond   May-23-11 02:57 PM   #102 
  - +1, good thread.  joshcryer   May-22-11 11:57 AM   #9 
  - very informative. i have bookmarked for future. people are shying from actually listening to the  seabeyond   May-22-11 12:00 PM   #14 
     - I admit I have a "thing" for French girls. It's making me question why.  joshcryer   May-22-11 12:05 PM   #16 
     - wow...  seabeyond   May-22-11 12:07 PM   #18 
     - Hey I like to think there's not that, but this is making me question it, no doubt!  joshcryer   May-22-11 12:10 PM   #22 
        - i think what tipped me off a couple decades ago was becoming such good friends with two foriegn  seabeyond   May-22-11 12:20 PM   #30 
     - Well, you haven't met many French girls then. Most are pretty feminist, and not..  krabigirl   May-22-11 12:09 PM   #20 
     - Well that's certainly the impression I've had for years, that they were liberated feminists.  joshcryer   May-22-11 12:12 PM   #23 
     - Perhaps, if you have a thing for "girls"  polmaven   May-23-11 06:49 AM   #58 
        - lol. hoist on his own petard  Hannah Bell   May-23-11 02:09 PM   #99 
     - One DUer has said that when she was over there she was told not to look at mens' eyes.  Odin2005   May-22-11 01:09 PM   #33 
        - wow.... and over here, i make eye contact and wont let go... saying  seabeyond   May-22-11 01:21 PM   #37 
        - When I was in France several times in the 1970s, I was appalled at the  tblue37   May-22-11 07:28 PM   #43 
        - i looked into plenty of men's eyes in france. none of them tried to hump me.  Hannah Bell   May-23-11 06:34 AM   #53 
           - Anecdote != Data  PVnRT   May-23-11 09:59 AM   #79 
              - i understand that; however, my anecdotes is no less worthy than the other anecdotes being offered  Hannah Bell   May-23-11 02:04 PM   #97 
  - That's even worse than the U.S.  PVnRT   May-23-11 09:58 AM   #78 
  - this is what du has been advocating what i, a woman, should be.  seabeyond   May-22-11 11:57 AM   #10 
  - Heart ya seabeyond.  joshcryer   May-22-11 11:59 AM   #12 
  - i am going to get "unmad" again, soon. lol. ah ha  seabeyond   May-22-11 12:02 PM   #15 
  - Another eye opener. Thanks, seabeyond. nt  sufrommich   May-22-11 12:06 PM   #17 
  - Yeah, well I have spent a lot of time there and haven't noticed anything like that.  krabigirl   May-22-11 12:12 PM   #24 
  - So the pay gaps, under reported rapes, lack of female  sufrommich   May-22-11 12:15 PM   #27 
  - Female french parlimentarians = about the same % as female american congresspersons.  Hannah Bell   May-23-11 06:44 AM   #55 
  - people actually believe racism has been "cured" in the u.s. but most of us know we need to still  seabeyond   May-22-11 12:17 PM   #28 
  - WOW!  Odin2005   May-22-11 01:11 PM   #34 
  - huh?  shoutinfreud   May-23-11 03:40 AM   #49 
  - you can't smoke in the street? or drink too much wine? lol. bullshit.  Hannah Bell   May-23-11 06:38 AM   #54 
  - The smoking in the street thing is real...  PassingFair   May-23-11 09:23 AM   #72 
  - wow... i say to you, lol. wowl  seabeyond   May-23-11 09:52 AM   #76 
  - I guess in Paris, smoking while walking is a "signal"...  PassingFair   May-23-11 10:04 AM   #82 
     - ha ha ha. nt  seabeyond   May-23-11 10:21 AM   #84 
  - must have been prostitutes i saw smoking in the street then.  Hannah Bell   May-23-11 02:06 PM   #98 
  - "A permanent ode to women in France", Lol  whathehell   May-23-11 03:50 PM   #106 
  - Some DUers have been stunned by it too and others  Skidmore   May-22-11 11:59 AM   #11 
  - K&R  G_j   May-22-11 11:59 AM   #13 
  - I've always been puzzled by this..  JackDragna   May-22-11 12:23 PM   #31 
  - They are a Latin culture, which tend to be quite sexist.  Odin2005   May-22-11 01:12 PM   #35 
  - They are more progressive in the same sense that Larry Flynt  geek tragedy   May-22-11 01:15 PM   #36 
  - Napoleon WAS a commoner... just FYI  LooseWilly   May-23-11 04:29 AM   #50 
  - Clearly, in one sense, the French are not as progressive on gender equality issues as we are.  closeupready   May-23-11 09:16 AM   #68 
  - The Catholic church is still pretty strong in France.  wickerwoman   May-23-11 05:47 PM   #111 
  - This is why DSK's lawyer has to be very careful about trashing the woman's reputation.  yellowcanine   May-22-11 01:42 PM   #38 
  - **  G_j   May-22-11 01:53 PM   #39 
  - Do people still think the burqa ban was about liberating women?  ZombieHorde   May-22-11 02:34 PM   #40 
  - It seems as if you are correct and I always thought so as well. Really interesting read  blondeatlast   May-22-11 02:43 PM   #41 
  - I was ambivilant about it before but it is definitely something to consider.  joshcryer   May-22-11 10:11 PM   #47 
  - that's the spin at du.  Hannah Bell   May-23-11 06:45 AM   #56 
  - That was straight up islamaphobia. Nt  La Lioness Priyanka   May-23-11 09:31 AM   #75 
  - Wow. This is appalling:  tblue37   May-22-11 07:18 PM   #42 
  - Stunned. Really.  ismnotwasm   May-22-11 07:42 PM   #44 
  - i would be curious  seabeyond   May-22-11 07:53 PM   #45 
     - I'll let you know  ismnotwasm   May-22-11 09:43 PM   #46 
  - The misogynist attitude is more prevalent among older French  BlueMTexpat   May-23-11 03:33 AM   #48 
  - Monsieur Kahn--"troussage de domestique" IS rape  SemperEadem   May-23-11 06:14 AM   #51 
  - I knew not ALL of France was stunned and confused by our reaction to rape  lunatica   May-23-11 06:49 AM   #57 
  - KnR! It's about fricking time.  Kind of Blue   May-23-11 07:03 AM   #59 
  - DSK genuinely thought that what he was doing was not that bad. Only "troussage de domestique"!  Nye Bevan   May-23-11 08:18 AM   #61 
  - "troussage de domestique" sounds like something that was part of  whathehell   May-23-11 11:07 AM   #87 
  - Are we forgetting something?  a2liberal   May-23-11 08:22 AM   #62 
  - plea bargain time?  marions ghost   May-23-11 08:38 AM   #64 
  - I don't think the OP is about DSK's guilt or innocence.  Kind of Blue   May-23-11 09:04 AM   #65 
  - The guy is innocent until proven guilty, IN COURT  AngryAmish   May-23-11 09:14 AM   #67 
  - Well said.  La Lioness Priyanka   May-23-11 09:29 AM   #74 
  - I wasn't trying to imply  a2liberal   May-23-11 01:50 PM   #96 
     - really? you have read the accounting and how it came down, and you can not figure out why  seabeyond   May-23-11 02:16 PM   #100 
  - "Consensual". Yep. Okayyyyyyy.  Nye Bevan   May-23-11 09:18 AM   #69 
  - +1. yup. thanks nye. nt  seabeyond   May-23-11 09:20 AM   #71 
  - This is about a broader discussion of gender in French society  PVnRT   May-23-11 10:04 AM   #81 
  - Yeah, I'm sure the high point of this maid's day was consensually  Codeine   May-23-11 10:13 AM   #83 
     - Sounds about right....  Dorian Gray   May-23-11 11:39 AM   #88 
  - So now Puritanism is raising its ugly head amongst French feminists, too!!!11  closeupready   May-23-11 09:10 AM   #66 
  - totally puritanical. NO rape. hey...  seabeyond   May-23-11 09:19 AM   #70 
     - Totally on your side on this issue, as you must know. Was just making fun  closeupready   May-23-11 09:29 AM   #73 
        - i gotcha. all of what you are saying  seabeyond   May-23-11 09:54 AM   #77 
  - I was beginning to wonder about French women.  Le Taz Hot   May-23-11 09:59 AM   #80 
  - The man is a pig.  Beacool   May-23-11 10:42 AM   #86 
  - I'm not stunned at all  AndiMer   May-23-11 11:41 AM   #89 
  - K&R!  Overseas   May-23-11 11:42 AM   #90 
  - And this is surprising? hardly...  formernaderite   May-23-11 03:46 PM   #105 
     - i guess it has been being told repeatedly how far behind we were that confused us a tad  seabeyond   May-23-11 04:25 PM   #107 
 

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