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Mon May-23-11 06:45 AM
Response to Reply #40 |
| 56. that's the spin at du. |
| -French Women 'Stunned' By Public Misogyny Following DSK's Arrest |
sufrommich |
May-22-11 11:14 AM |
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At least this story is initiating public conversations about the issues |
Liberal_in_LA |
May-22-11 11:31 AM |
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10% of rape is reported, leaving 90% of rape not reported, ..... |
seabeyond |
May-22-11 11:41 AM |
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That article shocked and horrified me. |
Odin2005 |
May-22-11 11:42 AM |
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that article and all the rest that were provided in the thread did not surprise me at all. |
seabeyond |
May-22-11 11:44 AM |
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Yes, you tend to be very reasonable / level headed, your response was uncharacteristic. |
joshcryer |
May-22-11 11:56 AM |
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I have a friend who was raped, so such stuff tends to get me worked up. |
Odin2005 |
May-22-11 01:06 PM |
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Wow. It's 1959 over there. nt |
sufrommich |
May-22-11 11:46 AM |
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i am sayin... nt |
seabeyond |
May-22-11 11:46 AM |
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Seems like it. |
joshcryer |
May-22-11 11:56 AM |
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have you ever been there? Just curious. |
krabigirl |
May-22-11 12:09 PM |
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i am LISTENING to the women in france. i am seeing the statistics in france. |
seabeyond |
May-22-11 12:13 PM |
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Nope, simply "going somewhere" doesn't tell you very much. |
joshcryer |
May-22-11 12:14 PM |
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link to gender gap report: |
joshcryer |
May-22-11 12:17 PM |
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yeah, & that paragon of women's equality, ireland, = no. 6. |
Hannah Bell |
May-23-11 06:25 AM |
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And Venezuela is 64 |
leftynyc |
May-23-11 08:10 AM |
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uh -- that josh's gender survey doesn't measure anything useful? |
Hannah Bell |
May-23-11 01:44 PM |
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Yes, I read everything |
leftynyc |
May-23-11 03:10 PM |
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um -- because it's an obviously developed country in which women have full rights |
Hannah Bell |
May-23-11 05:30 PM |
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My understanding of women in the Soviet Union was that |
whathehell |
May-23-11 08:29 AM |
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which is different from the us how (except for the specious traditional 'saying')? |
Hannah Bell |
May-23-11 01:43 PM |
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Sorry if I've touched a nerve... |
whathehell |
May-23-11 03:39 PM |
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being as i can pick out any number of "traditional sayings" in europe/us which don't |
Hannah Bell |
May-23-11 05:32 PM |
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"being as you can"....knock yourself out. |
whathehell |
May-23-11 05:42 PM |
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The difference being, my remark about ireland is in the context of josh's claim |
Hannah Bell |
May-23-11 05:55 PM |
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I guess you're getting confused about your "opponents" on this issue, lol |
whathehell |
May-23-11 06:12 PM |
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russia. whatever. all such "lists" are essentially fraudulent, in service of political ends. |
Hannah Bell |
May-23-11 06:20 PM |
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Yeah, sure. |
whathehell |
May-23-11 06:32 PM |
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Name removed |
May-23-11 11:15 PM |
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red-baiting. |
Hannah Bell |
May-24-11 02:03 PM |
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no, it isn't. |
krabigirl |
May-22-11 12:08 PM |
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Do you really want to use this as a point in nationalist pride? |
JackRiddler |
May-23-11 10:36 AM |
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What is nationalist about an era? nt |
sufrommich |
May-23-11 11:43 AM |
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Please, the implication is clear... |
JackRiddler |
May-23-11 11:54 AM |
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prior to these articles |
seabeyond |
May-23-11 12:01 PM |
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Spinny-spin-spin. |
JackRiddler |
May-23-11 02:26 PM |
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. |
seabeyond |
May-23-11 02:57 PM |
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+1, good thread. |
joshcryer |
May-22-11 11:57 AM |
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very informative. i have bookmarked for future. people are shying from actually listening to the |
seabeyond |
May-22-11 12:00 PM |
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I admit I have a "thing" for French girls. It's making me question why. |
joshcryer |
May-22-11 12:05 PM |
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wow... |
seabeyond |
May-22-11 12:07 PM |
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Hey I like to think there's not that, but this is making me question it, no doubt! |
joshcryer |
May-22-11 12:10 PM |
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i think what tipped me off a couple decades ago was becoming such good friends with two foriegn |
seabeyond |
May-22-11 12:20 PM |
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Well, you haven't met many French girls then. Most are pretty feminist, and not.. |
krabigirl |
May-22-11 12:09 PM |
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Well that's certainly the impression I've had for years, that they were liberated feminists. |
joshcryer |
May-22-11 12:12 PM |
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Perhaps, if you have a thing for "girls" |
polmaven |
May-23-11 06:49 AM |
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lol. hoist on his own petard |
Hannah Bell |
May-23-11 02:09 PM |
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One DUer has said that when she was over there she was told not to look at mens' eyes. |
Odin2005 |
May-22-11 01:09 PM |
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wow.... and over here, i make eye contact and wont let go... saying |
seabeyond |
May-22-11 01:21 PM |
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When I was in France several times in the 1970s, I was appalled at the |
tblue37 |
May-22-11 07:28 PM |
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i looked into plenty of men's eyes in france. none of them tried to hump me. |
Hannah Bell |
May-23-11 06:34 AM |
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Anecdote != Data |
PVnRT |
May-23-11 09:59 AM |
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i understand that; however, my anecdotes is no less worthy than the other anecdotes being offered |
Hannah Bell |
May-23-11 02:04 PM |
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That's even worse than the U.S. |
PVnRT |
May-23-11 09:58 AM |
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this is what du has been advocating what i, a woman, should be. |
seabeyond |
May-22-11 11:57 AM |
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Heart ya seabeyond. |
joshcryer |
May-22-11 11:59 AM |
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i am going to get "unmad" again, soon. lol. ah ha |
seabeyond |
May-22-11 12:02 PM |
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Another eye opener. Thanks, seabeyond. nt |
sufrommich |
May-22-11 12:06 PM |
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Yeah, well I have spent a lot of time there and haven't noticed anything like that. |
krabigirl |
May-22-11 12:12 PM |
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So the pay gaps, under reported rapes, lack of female |
sufrommich |
May-22-11 12:15 PM |
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Female french parlimentarians = about the same % as female american congresspersons. |
Hannah Bell |
May-23-11 06:44 AM |
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people actually believe racism has been "cured" in the u.s. but most of us know we need to still |
seabeyond |
May-22-11 12:17 PM |
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WOW! |
Odin2005 |
May-22-11 01:11 PM |
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huh? |
shoutinfreud |
May-23-11 03:40 AM |
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you can't smoke in the street? or drink too much wine? lol. bullshit. |
Hannah Bell |
May-23-11 06:38 AM |
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The smoking in the street thing is real... |
PassingFair |
May-23-11 09:23 AM |
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wow... i say to you, lol. wowl |
seabeyond |
May-23-11 09:52 AM |
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I guess in Paris, smoking while walking is a "signal"... |
PassingFair |
May-23-11 10:04 AM |
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ha ha ha. nt |
seabeyond |
May-23-11 10:21 AM |
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must have been prostitutes i saw smoking in the street then. |
Hannah Bell |
May-23-11 02:06 PM |
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"A permanent ode to women in France", Lol |
whathehell |
May-23-11 03:50 PM |
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Some DUers have been stunned by it too and others |
Skidmore |
May-22-11 11:59 AM |
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K&R |
G_j |
May-22-11 11:59 AM |
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I've always been puzzled by this.. |
JackDragna |
May-22-11 12:23 PM |
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They are a Latin culture, which tend to be quite sexist. |
Odin2005 |
May-22-11 01:12 PM |
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They are more progressive in the same sense that Larry Flynt |
geek tragedy |
May-22-11 01:15 PM |
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Napoleon WAS a commoner... just FYI |
LooseWilly |
May-23-11 04:29 AM |
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Clearly, in one sense, the French are not as progressive on gender equality issues as we are. |
closeupready |
May-23-11 09:16 AM |
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The Catholic church is still pretty strong in France. |
wickerwoman |
May-23-11 05:47 PM |
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This is why DSK's lawyer has to be very careful about trashing the woman's reputation. |
yellowcanine |
May-22-11 01:42 PM |
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** |
G_j |
May-22-11 01:53 PM |
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Do people still think the burqa ban was about liberating women? |
ZombieHorde |
May-22-11 02:34 PM |
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It seems as if you are correct and I always thought so as well. Really interesting read |
blondeatlast |
May-22-11 02:43 PM |
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I was ambivilant about it before but it is definitely something to consider. |
joshcryer |
May-22-11 10:11 PM |
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that's the spin at du. |
Hannah Bell |
May-23-11 06:45 AM |
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That was straight up islamaphobia. Nt |
La Lioness Priyanka |
May-23-11 09:31 AM |
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Wow. This is appalling: |
tblue37 |
May-22-11 07:18 PM |
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Stunned. Really. |
ismnotwasm |
May-22-11 07:42 PM |
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i would be curious |
seabeyond |
May-22-11 07:53 PM |
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I'll let you know |
ismnotwasm |
May-22-11 09:43 PM |
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The misogynist attitude is more prevalent among older French |
BlueMTexpat |
May-23-11 03:33 AM |
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Monsieur Kahn--"troussage de domestique" IS rape |
SemperEadem |
May-23-11 06:14 AM |
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I knew not ALL of France was stunned and confused by our reaction to rape |
lunatica |
May-23-11 06:49 AM |
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KnR! It's about fricking time. |
Kind of Blue |
May-23-11 07:03 AM |
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DSK genuinely thought that what he was doing was not that bad. Only "troussage de domestique"! |
Nye Bevan |
May-23-11 08:18 AM |
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"troussage de domestique" sounds like something that was part of |
whathehell |
May-23-11 11:07 AM |
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Are we forgetting something? |
a2liberal |
May-23-11 08:22 AM |
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plea bargain time? |
marions ghost |
May-23-11 08:38 AM |
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I don't think the OP is about DSK's guilt or innocence. |
Kind of Blue |
May-23-11 09:04 AM |
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The guy is innocent until proven guilty, IN COURT |
AngryAmish |
May-23-11 09:14 AM |
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Well said. |
La Lioness Priyanka |
May-23-11 09:29 AM |
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I wasn't trying to imply |
a2liberal |
May-23-11 01:50 PM |
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really? you have read the accounting and how it came down, and you can not figure out why |
seabeyond |
May-23-11 02:16 PM |
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"Consensual". Yep. Okayyyyyyy. |
Nye Bevan |
May-23-11 09:18 AM |
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+1. yup. thanks nye. nt |
seabeyond |
May-23-11 09:20 AM |
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This is about a broader discussion of gender in French society |
PVnRT |
May-23-11 10:04 AM |
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Yeah, I'm sure the high point of this maid's day was consensually |
Codeine |
May-23-11 10:13 AM |
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Sounds about right.... |
Dorian Gray |
May-23-11 11:39 AM |
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So now Puritanism is raising its ugly head amongst French feminists, too!!!11 |
closeupready |
May-23-11 09:10 AM |
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totally puritanical. NO rape. hey... |
seabeyond |
May-23-11 09:19 AM |
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Totally on your side on this issue, as you must know. Was just making fun |
closeupready |
May-23-11 09:29 AM |
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i gotcha. all of what you are saying |
seabeyond |
May-23-11 09:54 AM |
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I was beginning to wonder about French women. |
Le Taz Hot |
May-23-11 09:59 AM |
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The man is a pig. |
Beacool |
May-23-11 10:42 AM |
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I'm not stunned at all |
AndiMer |
May-23-11 11:41 AM |
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K&R! |
Overseas |
May-23-11 11:42 AM |
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And this is surprising? hardly... |
formernaderite |
May-23-11 03:46 PM |
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i guess it has been being told repeatedly how far behind we were that confused us a tad |
seabeyond |
May-23-11 04:25 PM |
#107 |
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