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8. I don't know of anyone who blames "religion on all the evil in the world", but I know plenty
who blame those using religion as a justification, or absolution, for evil acts. If anyone knows of any instances wherein lack of religion was used by the perpetrator of evil acts as those things I would be interested to know about it...
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  -How ridiculous are the religion bashers? johnnie  May-22-11 01:14 AM   #0 
  - It's heated tonight..  Fumesucker   May-22-11 01:21 AM   #1 
  - It's just such a goofy argument  johnnie   May-22-11 01:29 AM   #4 
  - Shamanism is every bit as pointless and silly as Christianity  dmallind   May-22-11 01:34 AM   #7 
  - pointless and silly to you. that is the crux.  roguevalley   May-22-11 02:11 AM   #22 
     - I would welcome demonstrations of its utility and achievements  dmallind   May-22-11 02:18 AM   #32 
        - To many people it is a source of tranquility...  johnnie   May-22-11 02:29 AM   #45 
           - Shamanism does not infringe on my life that's true  dmallind   May-22-11 02:37 AM   #49 
  - Atrocities are spilled here?  Fumesucker   May-22-11 01:44 AM   #11 
  - DU may be considered a nap time as opposed to others but...  johnnie   May-22-11 01:53 AM   #14 
  - Religion and God are two different things. I believe there is a God.  TheDebbieDee   May-22-11 02:03 AM   #18 
     - But there are million of religions  johnnie   May-22-11 02:12 AM   #23 
  - a high voltage jolt of crazy. the rapture is not even a word in the  roguevalley   May-22-11 02:10 AM   #21 
     - Either is "atheism"  johnnie   May-22-11 02:14 AM   #26 
  - an unintentionally perceptive nugget in the above  dmallind   May-22-11 01:24 AM   #2 
  - This atheist would welcome at least a try at an atheist world.  riderinthestorm   May-22-11 01:26 AM   #3 
  - That's fine and dandy  johnnie   May-22-11 01:33 AM   #6 
     - At least your perception of "higher power" has equations, formulas and theorems behind them  riderinthestorm   May-22-11 01:41 AM   #9 
        - I don't understand and I ask respectfully, "I am proof positive"  roguevalley   May-22-11 02:13 AM   #25 
  - so find me an atheist analog of this then......  dmallind   May-22-11 01:31 AM   #5 
  - I will look  johnnie   May-22-11 01:36 AM   # 
     - Different entirely.  dmallind   May-22-11 02:09 AM   #20 
        - people kill for any number of reasons and blame a lot of things  roguevalley   May-22-11 02:14 AM   # 
        - So why aren't there any similar loonies blaming their lack of gods?  dmallind   May-22-11 02:20 AM   #35 
           - Mengele didn't have a god. But then, neither did Mao and Stalin.  roguevalley   May-22-11 02:27 AM   #43 
              - Not one ever said they were doing it for atheism  dmallind   May-22-11 02:46 AM   #57 
                 - they don't have to. they did it because of their beliefs and lack of them. Period. They  roguevalley   May-22-11 02:58 AM   #61 
                    - unmitigated bullshit not supported by history, psychology or data  dmallind   May-22-11 03:04 AM   #69 
                    - Oh my, that's weak.  darkstar3   May-22-11 03:04 AM   #70 
        - I guess my point was....  johnnie   May-22-11 02:20 AM   #33 
           - point not made - not killed FOR atheism.  dmallind   May-22-11 02:24 AM   #36 
              - "but isn't removing one reason for atrociyies a good start"  johnnie   May-22-11 02:40 AM   #51 
                 - We can surely try can't we? Don't therapists try? nt  dmallind   May-22-11 02:48 AM   #59 
  - I don't know of anyone who blames "religion on all the evil in the world", but I know plenty  poverlay   May-22-11 01:36 AM   #8 
  - Of course there are plenty who blame those using religion as a justification, or absolution, for evi  johnnie   May-22-11 01:43 AM   #10 
     - Wicca is also just as poinless and silly as Christianity, and also is  dmallind   May-22-11 02:17 AM   #30 
     - Your avatar is fitting. You post nonsense in defense of hate.  Bluenorthwest   May-22-11 07:29 AM   #91 
  - Religion flies planes into buildings. Science flies you to the moon.  Odin2005   May-22-11 01:47 AM   #12 
  - Who knew the RW was right?  ProSense   May-22-11 01:57 AM   #16 
  - "God bless you. Good night from Apollo 11."  johnnie   May-22-11 02:05 AM   #19 
  - I think it's called "freedom of conscience"...  Adsos Letter   May-22-11 02:14 AM   #27 
  - science created Mengele. Science created engineered corn.  roguevalley   May-22-11 02:15 AM   #29 
     - And the A-Bomb, and all of the "advances" in modern weaponry  Adsos Letter   May-22-11 02:20 AM   #34 
     - BINGO! :)  roguevalley   May-22-11 02:26 AM   #41 
     - LOLOL  RainDog   May-22-11 02:45 AM   #55 
     - So then did religion 'create' Torqeumada?  Bluenorthwest   May-22-11 07:39 AM   #92 
  - I blame all the evil in the world on people  bhikkhu   May-22-11 01:48 AM   #13 
  - Not so ignorant, imho. Authoritarianism is the root problem, and religious belief has a very long  scarletwoman   May-22-11 01:54 AM   #15 
  - No religion? No crime? Heaven on Earth? Just think? And . . . (who knows?) . . . perhaps  Petrushka   May-22-11 01:58 AM   #17 
  - here, here. But the people who have yanked about how good the  roguevalley   May-22-11 02:18 AM   #31 
  - That damn sneaky atheist Hitler with his "the absence of gods is with us" motto....nt  dmallind   May-22-11 02:28 AM   #44 
     - Hitler was a self avowed atheist and he was a murderer. Apparently not having  roguevalley   May-22-11 02:35 AM   #48 
        - No he was not. Irrelevant anyway  dmallind   May-22-11 02:59 AM   #62 
        - Hitler was a good Catholic and invoked God repeatedly in his public speeches and written works  darkstar3   May-22-11 03:00 AM   #63 
           - check out some of his contemporaries' accounts  MrsMatt   May-22-11 08:06 AM   #99 
  - Sam Harris writes in his fine book The End of Faith: Religion, Terror, and the Future of Reason,  Bravo Zulu   May-22-11 02:25 AM   #37 
  - and yet, when I was in Russia in the mid-1970s...  RainDog   May-22-11 02:25 AM   #39 
  - +1  Adsos Letter   May-22-11 02:26 AM   #40 
  - The world would be a better place without religion.  Lucian   May-22-11 02:12 AM   #24 
  - Unrec  AlabamaLibrul   May-22-11 02:14 AM   #28 
  - And I thank you for your time  johnnie   May-22-11 02:25 AM   #38 
  - "if there were no "religion" we would be living in a heaven on Earth" - I agree.  Bluebear   May-22-11 02:27 AM   #42 
  - Sarcasm? Me?  johnnie   May-22-11 02:30 AM   #47 
  - you can't change human nature. Right now the biggest threat to  roguevalley   May-22-11 02:40 AM   #50 
     - Can't disagree.  Bluebear   May-22-11 02:41 AM   #53 
  - Atheists make up well below 1% of our prison population. n/t  ingac70   May-22-11 02:29 AM   #46 
  - yet those who do crimes violate all the ten commandments.  roguevalley   May-22-11 02:40 AM   #52 
     - But they are Christians, nonetheless.  darkstar3   May-22-11 03:01 AM   #65 
     - No. Jesus was very specific. You can't be anything without works.  roguevalley   May-22-11 03:04 AM   #71 
     - In your interpretation, perhaps.  darkstar3   May-22-11 03:08 AM   #75 
     - You mean, Microsoft Works?  Warren DeMontague   May-22-11 03:22 AM   #83 
     - But very few are doing their crimes because of religion.  Adsos Letter   May-22-11 03:05 AM   #72 
        - "I'm not perfect, I'm forgiven."  darkstar3   May-22-11 03:10 AM   #76 
           - Which has zilch to do with whether or not they commit their crime BECAUSE of religion  Adsos Letter   May-22-11 03:14 AM   #77 
              - Whatever.  darkstar3   May-22-11 03:22 AM   #82 
                 - Sure that quote has served as one of those legs  Adsos Letter   May-22-11 03:28 AM   #85 
                    - I eagerly await your statistics.  darkstar3   May-22-11 03:29 AM   #86 
     - So what actual LAWS do commandments #1-#4 have to do with?  Warren DeMontague   May-22-11 03:30 AM   #88 
  - Religion is ridiculous  ArcticFox   May-22-11 02:42 AM   #54 
  - Religion teaches unquestioning obedience to authority.  NYC Liberal   May-22-11 02:45 AM   #56 
  - "Religion teaches unquestioning obedience to authority."  johnnie   May-22-11 02:56 AM   #60 
  - I try to stick to criticizing the belief and not the person.  NYC Liberal   May-22-11 03:04 AM   #68 
  - No. In Judaism, God may be questioned and criticized, depending on the context.  Chef Eric   May-22-11 08:04 AM   #97 
  - About as sad as predicting the end of the world.  Rex   May-22-11 02:46 AM   #58 
  - I don't know. Let me ask my invisible magic friend in the sky.  Warren DeMontague   May-22-11 03:00 AM   #64 
  - Psssssshhhhhhhhhhhheeeeeeeeeew  johnnie   May-22-11 03:02 AM   #66 
     - Nah. the phone's still ringing.  Warren DeMontague   May-22-11 03:03 AM   #67 
     - Oh, wait a minute, you're talking about your OP. The one with the goofy strawman premise.  Warren DeMontague   May-22-11 03:07 AM   #74 
        - Slow down hot rod  johnnie   May-22-11 03:17 AM   #79 
           - No, actually, your OP talked about people "blaming all the evil in the world on religion"  Warren DeMontague   May-22-11 03:20 AM   #81 
           - You bore false witness. Your OP is a hyped up strawman  Bluenorthwest   May-22-11 07:47 AM   #94 
  - Less ridiculous by far than those who believe they are being unfairly bashed,  darkstar3   May-22-11 03:05 AM   #73 
  - Far harsher language?  johnnie   May-22-11 03:19 AM   #80 
     - Visit the forum this thread should have been in. You'll find it.  darkstar3   May-22-11 03:24 AM   #84 
  - I don't bash religion; I bash the religious right of all religions  LeftishBrit   May-22-11 03:16 AM   #78 
  - Good post...thank you  johnnie   May-22-11 03:30 AM   #87 
  - I've never cared what faith/myths/fairy tales others believe in  SoCalDem   May-22-11 06:59 AM   #89 
  - I agree. The problem is the way the self righteous use religion to justify a cause. n/t  deacon   May-22-11 07:24 AM   #90 
  - I think it is human nature to bash things if those things or particular  mmonk   May-22-11 07:43 AM   #93 
  - About the same as the religious  Sky Masterson   May-22-11 07:49 AM   #95 
  - You're right. Homophobia, races being "unequal", creationism, the rapture, are all worthy beliefs  Hugabear   May-22-11 07:59 AM   #96 
  - criticism of hateful dogma is not 'bashing'  Bluenorthwest   May-22-11 08:04 AM   #98 
  - locking  mopinko   May-22-11 08:48 AM   #100 
 

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