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Fri May-20-11 06:42 PM
Response to Reply #99 |
| 103. the prosecution of Drake is analogous to rape |
| -"...only people Obama has prosecuted are the whistle-blowers" - Jane Mayer | New Yorker |
nashville_brook |
May-19-11 07:37 PM |
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Recommended. |
H2O Man |
May-19-11 07:39 PM |
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i'm surprised there hasn't been much discussion of this...it's a hugely important piece |
nashville_brook |
May-19-11 07:41 PM |
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It's a long article. |
EFerrari |
May-19-11 07:58 PM |
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Inconvenient truths sometimes get overlooked somehow, don't they? |
DirkGently |
May-19-11 08:06 PM |
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Such is the nature of inconvenient truths. |
Enthusiast |
May-20-11 09:20 AM |
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when that doesn't work, inconvenient truths become targets for attack. |
nashville_brook |
May-20-11 09:32 AM |
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really really long -- but it's a real page-turner! |
nashville_brook |
May-19-11 08:14 PM |
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Um, I posted Jane Mayer's New Yorker article about it yesterday |
coalition_unwilling |
May-20-11 12:23 AM |
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i wondered if there might be some marginalizing of it |
nashville_brook |
May-20-11 06:52 AM |
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Yeah ... not popular here to make clear the differences between what |
defendandprotect |
May-20-11 12:57 PM |
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what's sad is that local Dem groups think they can ride Obama's coat tails in 2012 |
nashville_brook |
May-20-11 03:11 PM |
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80% of the public wants an end to the wars -- 76% + MEDICARE FOR ALL -- 2010 did happen!! |
defendandprotect |
May-21-11 11:21 AM |
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I salute you.l n/t |
truedelphi |
May-20-11 02:08 PM |
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That's not right - they've prosecuted other people. |
TroubleMan |
May-19-11 07:44 PM |
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to be fair, everyone knows that MMJ patients are all commie spies |
nashville_brook |
May-19-11 08:32 PM |
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NO NO NO |
mountainlion55 |
May-20-11 10:48 AM |
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heh heh - silly me |
nashville_brook |
May-20-11 11:45 AM |
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I like your commentary. |
truedelphi |
May-20-11 02:09 PM |
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Much safer being a torturer or a mortgage assignment forger than a whistleblower or pot farmer. |
DirkGently |
May-19-11 08:52 PM |
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+1000% -- this guy testified before Congress as a "whistleblower" -- and is being prosecuted for it! |
defendandprotect |
May-20-11 01:01 PM |
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If you haven't done anything wrong.. |
Fumesucker |
May-19-11 07:44 PM |
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so true...the government wouldn't ever do anything harmful to its citizens' freedom |
nashville_brook |
May-19-11 07:48 PM |
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+ 1. n/t |
truedelphi |
May-20-11 02:08 PM |
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Good grief, the govment knows all about you and your monkey. nm |
rhett o rick |
May-19-11 07:54 PM |
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Geez, even I know about him and his monkey. |
Vattel |
May-20-11 02:27 PM |
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...and believe me, you don't wanna KNOW what those two have to hide... |
Ken Burch |
May-20-11 07:09 PM |
#113 |
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if it involves bananas, it's not going to be pretty. |
nashville_brook |
May-20-11 08:09 PM |
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but it will meet the RDA's for nitrogen, to say the least... |
Ken Burch |
May-20-11 08:20 PM |
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I assure you, |
Vattel |
May-21-11 06:21 AM |
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I heard a bust of William Jennings Bryan came into it as well. |
Ken Burch |
May-21-11 06:26 PM |
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If we've learned anything since we ran Bush out of town, is that it wasnt Bush. It's so much bigger |
rhett o rick |
May-19-11 07:56 PM |
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So very true... |
CoffeeCat |
May-20-11 09:17 AM |
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there's not nearly the energy for "issue" politics that there used to be... |
nashville_brook |
May-20-11 03:17 PM |
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It's true. |
Kaleko |
May-20-11 04:30 PM |
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AND ANOTHER THING......no you pretty well covered it. At some point the masses will wake up. Hope |
rhett o rick |
May-20-11 03:50 PM |
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we need our older folk really really bad -- |
nashville_brook |
May-20-11 06:27 PM |
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It's so much bigger |
pscot |
May-20-11 12:02 PM |
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Cheesus, you said the N-word. But I agree. nm |
rhett o rick |
May-20-11 03:51 PM |
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Unfortunately the same ptb control the message machine. |
cui bono |
May-20-11 01:05 PM |
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Yes it may be a while. But what's ptb? |
rhett o rick |
May-20-11 03:55 PM |
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ptb = powers that be |
cui bono |
May-21-11 01:43 AM |
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So sadly true. |
russspeakeasy |
May-20-11 04:19 PM |
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That's |
ProSense |
May-19-11 08:00 PM |
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So what! |
mountainlion55 |
May-20-11 10:53 AM |
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So what? The OP is misleading, that's what. I guess the truth doesnt matter to you nt |
stevenleser |
May-20-11 07:59 PM |
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What does your list have to do with anything? |
Vattel |
May-20-11 07:20 PM |
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I'll tell you WTF. The OP title is misleading. That's WTF. |
stevenleser |
May-20-11 08:00 PM |
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Do tell. Who's been prosecuted on the non-whistleblower side of illegal spying on Americans? |
DirkGently |
May-20-11 08:18 PM |
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That is not what the title of the OP asserts. |
stevenleser |
May-21-11 09:04 AM |
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Alas, the mob ignored your facts in its rush to kill anyone named Cassius. n/t |
stevenleser |
May-20-11 08:00 PM |
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Unacceptable. This is the WORST of the Bush Doctrine that Gov't "Secrets" are whatever embarrasses. |
DirkGently |
May-19-11 08:00 PM |
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You realize, of course, that Drake also supported the "national-surveillance state" |
Azathoth |
May-19-11 08:24 PM |
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actually, anyone who reads this article will come away with a much different view |
nashville_brook |
May-19-11 08:39 PM |
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I did read the article and it did not support your OP commentary |
Azathoth |
May-19-11 09:26 PM |
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portraying him as persecuted, open-government, anti-surveillance hero is absurd" - LOL |
nashville_brook |
May-19-11 10:18 PM |
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Wow, have you even read the article you posted? |
Azathoth |
May-19-11 11:43 PM |
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"Patently offensive"? In your post #12, you conceded that Drake |
coalition_unwilling |
May-20-11 12:15 AM |
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'attempt(ing) to minimize the seriousness of this matter' - spot on |
nashville_brook |
May-20-11 06:38 AM |
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lol, you're not even trying to address the facts, are you? |
Azathoth |
May-20-11 06:36 PM |
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i suggest you create an OP that clearly lays out your position, and see how many people buy what |
nashville_brook |
May-20-11 06:46 PM |
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Alright, I'll try one more time |
Azathoth |
May-20-11 07:05 PM |
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and btw -- i never said he was military at NSA, i said he was military PRIOR to NSA. |
nashville_brook |
May-20-11 06:48 PM |
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So pointing out that Drake is a former spook is the same as blaming a rape victim? |
Azathoth |
May-20-11 06:26 PM |
#99 |
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the prosecution of Drake is analogous to rape |
nashville_brook |
May-20-11 06:42 PM |
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If you say so, though I suspect there may be more than a few women out there who disagree |
Azathoth |
May-20-11 06:46 PM |
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you don't have to hang a poster of him, but plenty others will. |
nashville_brook |
May-20-11 06:50 PM |
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Azathoth, Nobody is Good |
DaveJ |
May-20-11 07:04 PM |
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True |
Azathoth |
May-20-11 07:48 PM |
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Ad-hom smear noted |
StarburstClock |
May-20-11 04:59 PM |
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Say what? n/t |
Azathoth |
May-20-11 06:27 PM |
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He didn't commit espionage, is the point. |
DirkGently |
May-19-11 08:53 PM |
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It's not treason to expose government crime and corruption. |
EFerrari |
May-19-11 08:53 PM |
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Obama campaigned as a great supporter of Whistleblowers. Now, not so much. |
DirkGently |
May-19-11 08:57 PM |
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Indeed. Which is why I didn't accuse Drake of committing treason. n/t |
Azathoth |
May-19-11 09:44 PM |
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re:"It's not treason to expose government crime and corruption" |
The Green Manalishi |
May-20-11 03:56 PM |
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Bradley Manning's "treasonous idiocy"? You've got to be joking. |
readmoreoften |
May-19-11 09:04 PM |
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Perhaps you should reread my post |
Azathoth |
May-19-11 09:42 PM |
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Rationality and nuance? |
pscot |
May-20-11 12:17 PM |
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i think the poster understood perfectly -- Wiki-Hate |
nashville_brook |
May-20-11 01:27 PM |
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Oh I see, I badmouthed Manning and that caused the poster to completely lost his/her marbles |
Azathoth |
May-20-11 06:43 PM |
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HA! when someone disagrees with you "they've completely lost their marbles" -- so rational of you. |
nashville_brook |
May-20-11 06:51 PM |
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No, when someone responds to me in a way that isn't even related to what I posted |
Azathoth |
May-20-11 08:00 PM |
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Manning is not an idot, |
sulphurdunn |
May-20-11 05:31 PM |
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i think you nailed it. Wiki-Hate. |
nashville_brook |
May-20-11 11:04 AM |
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^^^ Fascinating and deeply disturbing article. A Must Read |
Gravel Democrat |
May-19-11 08:56 PM |
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easily the most important reporting yet, this year. |
nashville_brook |
May-20-11 08:45 AM |
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K&R n/t |
myrna minx |
May-19-11 09:04 PM |
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K&R. |
Kurovski |
May-20-11 12:03 AM |
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Hey there. |
myrna minx |
May-20-11 11:40 AM |
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K&R |
leftstreet |
May-19-11 09:05 PM |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
May-19-11 09:08 PM |
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Someone quoted in the article suggests he's naive on intelligence matters. |
DirkGently |
May-19-11 09:52 PM |
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Excellent article. This guy needs support. What a travesty of justice. |
sabrina 1 |
May-19-11 11:58 PM |
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"We had the power" |
dreamnightwind |
May-20-11 01:52 AM |
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there's no better illustration as to why the Constitution was meant to keep power in check |
nashville_brook |
May-20-11 06:57 AM |
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My household just watched "Fair Game" and it is quite chilling |
truedelphi |
May-20-11 02:10 PM |
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ah -- need to add that to netflix! |
nashville_brook |
May-20-11 03:58 PM |
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This definitely needs much more attention. |
bluethruandthru |
May-20-11 09:00 AM |
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+1 -- |
defendandprotect |
May-20-11 12:51 PM |
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Government Secrecy, and the prosecution of Whistle Blowers... |
bvar22 |
May-20-11 09:29 AM |
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seriously -- and it's amazing how little people care about this. |
nashville_brook |
May-20-11 09:40 AM |
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Next, we'll be sending Seal Team 6 after whistleblowers. |
Fuddnik |
May-20-11 09:49 AM |
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or, sending Seal Team 6 after any group selected by the software as a threat to political power |
nashville_brook |
May-20-11 10:27 AM |
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Big KNR! |
tekisui |
May-20-11 10:17 AM |
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Political parties - two sides of the same corporate/oligarch coin. |
Roland99 |
May-20-11 10:45 AM |
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Bill Hicks...Politics in America |
nashville_brook |
May-20-11 10:57 AM |
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Important article |
MissDeeds |
May-20-11 10:51 AM |
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This particularly disturbing. Just who did we elect as our great hope? |
olegramps |
May-20-11 11:16 AM |
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i think that's exactly right -- these agencies are a necessity and require oversight... |
nashville_brook |
May-20-11 11:35 AM |
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Barack to nation: |
truedelphi |
May-20-11 02:12 PM |
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It also reaffirms the precedent established by the Bush administration |
hulka38 |
May-20-11 04:45 PM |
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K&R |
pscot |
May-20-11 11:54 AM |
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K&R |
Pooka Fey |
May-20-11 12:46 PM |
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... and Harry Reid made "deal" today on extending PATRIOT ACT -- !! |
defendandprotect |
May-20-11 12:50 PM |
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b/c taking your shoes off in the airport is essential to "our freedoms" |
nashville_brook |
May-20-11 01:09 PM |
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Well one big difference - Republicans often do what |
truedelphi |
May-20-11 02:14 PM |
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Not that it's needed |
pecwae |
May-20-11 02:09 PM |
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Kicking ! n/t |
Hotler |
May-20-11 02:15 PM |
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This story is really going to hurt Obama in 2012. |
JDPriestly |
May-20-11 02:21 PM |
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it might not - not if the issue of whistleblower protection doesn't become an issue |
nashville_brook |
May-20-11 02:32 PM |
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it probably will not even be on the radar |
G_j |
May-20-11 03:58 PM |
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President Obama should hang his head in shame |
Angry Dragon |
May-20-11 02:40 PM |
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K&R |
zeos3 |
May-20-11 03:41 PM |
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Highly recommended |
somone |
May-20-11 04:01 PM |
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K&R'd!!! |
snot |
May-20-11 04:12 PM |
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And ever so slowly it finally dawned upon them that they had been lied to all along. - K&R n/t |
DeSwiss |
May-20-11 04:17 PM |
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But they couldn't admit the realization amongst themselves |
kenny blankenship |
May-21-11 09:28 AM |
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.... |
DeSwiss |
May-21-11 04:51 PM |
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Read it and weep. nt |
BlueIris |
May-20-11 04:32 PM |
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This is so untrue it doesn't even qualify as hyperbole. n/t |
stevenleser |
May-20-11 07:04 PM |
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but hey, thanks for the kick! |
nashville_brook |
May-20-11 08:13 PM |
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You're welcome. People who mislead should be brought into scrutiny. I'll keep kicking nt |
stevenleser |
May-21-11 09:05 AM |
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No new information, but retread stuff to bash Obama. |
boppers |
May-20-11 07:15 PM |
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actually, i'd love nothing more than to be able to praise Obama for making this right. |
nashville_brook |
May-20-11 08:12 PM |
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It's spooks arguing with spooks over money... and this power predates Obama. |
boppers |
May-20-11 08:17 PM |
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Trying to imprison a whistleblower for 35 yrs on espionage charges is an argument over money? |
DirkGently |
May-20-11 08:59 PM |
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The charges are directly related to classified documents used to try and rig bids. |
boppers |
May-20-11 09:42 PM |
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Is there a refutation of fact a whistleblower is charged with espionage hidden somewhere in there? |
DirkGently |
May-20-11 10:17 PM |
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Whistleblowing means you get subjected to scrutiny, so have your crap in order when you do it. |
boppers |
May-20-11 11:01 PM |
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this is a CRIMINAL prosecution -- not civil. it's not about money. that's #1. |
nashville_brook |
May-20-11 09:04 PM |
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Okay... |
boppers |
May-20-11 09:59 PM |
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It can only be read as a "bash" because a) it's true, & b) it's what we hired Obama to stop. |
DirkGently |
May-20-11 08:16 PM |
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Whistleblowers need community, national support -- they're trying to help us all |
defendandprotect |
May-20-11 07:19 PM |
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kick for later n/t |
slipslidingaway |
May-20-11 07:44 PM |
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*****k&r! nt |
wildbilln864 |
May-20-11 09:12 PM |
#132 |
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Vush, Cheney, Rove, Ashcroft, Gonzalez, Rumsfeld, et al walk free. |
Octafish |
May-20-11 11:53 PM |
#137 |
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kick! |
themadstork |
May-21-11 11:52 AM |
#144 |
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