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coalition_unwilling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-11 12:15 AM
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32. "Patently offensive"? In your post #12, you conceded that Drake
should not be prosecuted. He faces a maximum sentence of 35 years if he is found guilty.

You don't find that patently offensive? Oh wait, I forgot, the prosecution is being brought by William Welch . . . in the Obama Justice Department.

Welch is patently offensive and so are your pathetic and puerile attempts to minimize the seriousness of this matter.
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  -"...only people Obama has prosecuted are the whistle-blowers" - Jane Mayer | New Yorker nashville_brook  May-19-11 07:37 PM   #0 
  - Recommended.  H2O Man   May-19-11 07:39 PM   #1 
  - i'm surprised there hasn't been much discussion of this...it's a hugely important piece  nashville_brook   May-19-11 07:41 PM   #2 
     - It's a long article.  EFerrari   May-19-11 07:58 PM   #7 
     - Inconvenient truths sometimes get overlooked somehow, don't they?  DirkGently   May-19-11 08:06 PM   #10 
     - Such is the nature of inconvenient truths.  Enthusiast   May-20-11 09:20 AM   #41 
     - when that doesn't work, inconvenient truths become targets for attack.  nashville_brook   May-20-11 09:32 AM   #43 
     - really really long -- but it's a real page-turner!  nashville_brook   May-19-11 08:14 PM   #11 
     - Um, I posted Jane Mayer's New Yorker article about it yesterday  coalition_unwilling   May-20-11 12:23 AM   #33 
     - i wondered if there might be some marginalizing of it  nashville_brook   May-20-11 06:52 AM   #36 
     - Yeah ... not popular here to make clear the differences between what  defendandprotect   May-20-11 12:57 PM   #64 
        - what's sad is that local Dem groups think they can ride Obama's coat tails in 2012  nashville_brook   May-20-11 03:11 PM   #81 
           - 80% of the public wants an end to the wars -- 76% + MEDICARE FOR ALL -- 2010 did happen!!  defendandprotect   May-21-11 11:21 AM   #143 
     - I salute you.l n/t  truedelphi   May-20-11 02:08 PM   #69 
  - That's not right - they've prosecuted other people.  TroubleMan   May-19-11 07:44 PM   # 
  - to be fair, everyone knows that MMJ patients are all commie spies  nashville_brook   May-19-11 08:32 PM   #13 
  - NO NO NO  mountainlion55   May-20-11 10:48 AM   #49 
     - heh heh - silly me  nashville_brook   May-20-11 11:45 AM   #57 
     - I like your commentary.  truedelphi   May-20-11 02:09 PM   #72 
  - Much safer being a torturer or a mortgage assignment forger than a whistleblower or pot farmer.  DirkGently   May-19-11 08:52 PM   #15 
     - +1000% -- this guy testified before Congress as a "whistleblower" -- and is being prosecuted for it!  defendandprotect   May-20-11 01:01 PM   #65 
  - If you haven't done anything wrong..  Fumesucker   May-19-11 07:44 PM   #3 
  - so true...the government wouldn't ever do anything harmful to its citizens' freedom  nashville_brook   May-19-11 07:48 PM   #4 
  - + 1. n/t  truedelphi   May-20-11 02:08 PM   #70 
  - Good grief, the govment knows all about you and your monkey. nm  rhett o rick   May-19-11 07:54 PM   #5 
     - Geez, even I know about him and his monkey.  Vattel   May-20-11 02:27 PM   #78 
        - ...and believe me, you don't wanna KNOW what those two have to hide...  Ken Burch   May-20-11 07:09 PM   #113 
           - if it involves bananas, it's not going to be pretty.  nashville_brook   May-20-11 08:09 PM   #123 
              - but it will meet the RDA's for nitrogen, to say the least...  Ken Burch   May-20-11 08:20 PM   #129 
              - I assure you,  Vattel   May-21-11 06:21 AM   #139 
                 - I heard a bust of William Jennings Bryan came into it as well.  Ken Burch   May-21-11 06:26 PM   #146 
  - If we've learned anything since we ran Bush out of town, is that it wasnt Bush. It's so much bigger  rhett o rick   May-19-11 07:56 PM   #6 
  - So very true...  CoffeeCat   May-20-11 09:17 AM   #40 
  - there's not nearly the energy for "issue" politics that there used to be...  nashville_brook   May-20-11 03:17 PM   #82 
  - It's true.  Kaleko   May-20-11 04:30 PM   #94 
  - AND ANOTHER THING......no you pretty well covered it. At some point the masses will wake up. Hope  rhett o rick   May-20-11 03:50 PM   #84 
     - we need our older folk really really bad --  nashville_brook   May-20-11 06:27 PM   #100 
  - It's so much bigger  pscot   May-20-11 12:02 PM   #59 
  - Cheesus, you said the N-word. But I agree. nm  rhett o rick   May-20-11 03:51 PM   #85 
  - Unfortunately the same ptb control the message machine.  cui bono   May-20-11 01:05 PM   #66 
  - Yes it may be a while. But what's ptb?  rhett o rick   May-20-11 03:55 PM   #86 
     - ptb = powers that be  cui bono   May-21-11 01:43 AM   #138 
  - So sadly true.  russspeakeasy   May-20-11 04:19 PM   #93 
  - That's  ProSense   May-19-11 08:00 PM   #8 
  - So what!  mountainlion55   May-20-11 10:53 AM   #51 
  - So what? The OP is misleading, that's what. I guess the truth doesnt matter to you nt  stevenleser   May-20-11 07:59 PM   #119 
  - What does your list have to do with anything?  Vattel   May-20-11 07:20 PM   #116 
  - I'll tell you WTF. The OP title is misleading. That's WTF.  stevenleser   May-20-11 08:00 PM   #120 
     - Do tell. Who's been prosecuted on the non-whistleblower side of illegal spying on Americans?  DirkGently   May-20-11 08:18 PM   #128 
        - That is not what the title of the OP asserts.  stevenleser   May-21-11 09:04 AM   #140 
  - Alas, the mob ignored your facts in its rush to kill anyone named Cassius. n/t  stevenleser   May-20-11 08:00 PM   #121 
  - Unacceptable. This is the WORST of the Bush Doctrine that Gov't "Secrets" are whatever embarrasses.  DirkGently   May-19-11 08:00 PM   #9 
  - You realize, of course, that Drake also supported the "national-surveillance state"  Azathoth   May-19-11 08:24 PM   #12 
  - actually, anyone who reads this article will come away with a much different view  nashville_brook   May-19-11 08:39 PM   #14 
  - I did read the article and it did not support your OP commentary  Azathoth   May-19-11 09:26 PM   #24 
     - portraying him as persecuted, open-government, anti-surveillance hero is absurd" - LOL  nashville_brook   May-19-11 10:18 PM   #28 
     - Wow, have you even read the article you posted?  Azathoth   May-19-11 11:43 PM   #29 
        - "Patently offensive"? In your post #12, you conceded that Drake  coalition_unwilling   May-20-11 12:15 AM   #32 
        - 'attempt(ing) to minimize the seriousness of this matter' - spot on  nashville_brook   May-20-11 06:38 AM   #35 
        - lol, you're not even trying to address the facts, are you?  Azathoth   May-20-11 06:36 PM   #102 
           - i suggest you create an OP that clearly lays out your position, and see how many people buy what  nashville_brook   May-20-11 06:46 PM   #105 
           - Alright, I'll try one more time  Azathoth   May-20-11 07:05 PM   #112 
           - and btw -- i never said he was military at NSA, i said he was military PRIOR to NSA.  nashville_brook   May-20-11 06:48 PM   #107 
        - So pointing out that Drake is a former spook is the same as blaming a rape victim?  Azathoth   May-20-11 06:26 PM   #99 
           - the prosecution of Drake is analogous to rape  nashville_brook   May-20-11 06:42 PM   #103 
              - If you say so, though I suspect there may be more than a few women out there who disagree  Azathoth   May-20-11 06:46 PM   #106 
                 - you don't have to hang a poster of him, but plenty others will.  nashville_brook   May-20-11 06:50 PM   #108 
        - Azathoth, Nobody is Good  DaveJ   May-20-11 07:04 PM   #110 
           - True  Azathoth   May-20-11 07:48 PM   #118 
     - Ad-hom smear noted  StarburstClock   May-20-11 04:59 PM   #97 
        - Say what? n/t  Azathoth   May-20-11 06:27 PM   #101 
  - He didn't commit espionage, is the point.  DirkGently   May-19-11 08:53 PM   #16 
  - It's not treason to expose government crime and corruption.  EFerrari   May-19-11 08:53 PM   #17 
  - Obama campaigned as a great supporter of Whistleblowers. Now, not so much.  DirkGently   May-19-11 08:57 PM   #19 
  - Indeed. Which is why I didn't accuse Drake of committing treason. n/t  Azathoth   May-19-11 09:44 PM   #26 
  - re:"It's not treason to expose government crime and corruption"  The Green Manalishi   May-20-11 03:56 PM   #87 
  - Bradley Manning's "treasonous idiocy"? You've got to be joking.  readmoreoften   May-19-11 09:04 PM   #20 
     - Perhaps you should reread my post  Azathoth   May-19-11 09:42 PM   #25 
     - Rationality and nuance?  pscot   May-20-11 12:17 PM   #60 
     - i think the poster understood perfectly -- Wiki-Hate  nashville_brook   May-20-11 01:27 PM   #68 
     - Oh I see, I badmouthed Manning and that caused the poster to completely lost his/her marbles  Azathoth   May-20-11 06:43 PM   #104 
        - HA! when someone disagrees with you "they've completely lost their marbles" -- so rational of you.  nashville_brook   May-20-11 06:51 PM   #109 
           - No, when someone responds to me in a way that isn't even related to what I posted  Azathoth   May-20-11 08:00 PM   #122 
     - Manning is not an idot,  sulphurdunn   May-20-11 05:31 PM   #98 
     - i think you nailed it. Wiki-Hate.  nashville_brook   May-20-11 11:04 AM   #53 
  - ^^^ Fascinating and deeply disturbing article. A Must Read  Gravel Democrat   May-19-11 08:56 PM   #18 
  - easily the most important reporting yet, this year.  nashville_brook   May-20-11 08:45 AM   #38 
  - K&R n/t  myrna minx   May-19-11 09:04 PM   #21 
  - K&R.  Kurovski   May-20-11 12:03 AM   #31 
     - Hey there.  myrna minx   May-20-11 11:40 AM   #56 
  - K&R  leftstreet   May-19-11 09:05 PM   #22 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   May-19-11 09:08 PM   #23 
  - Someone quoted in the article suggests he's naive on intelligence matters.  DirkGently   May-19-11 09:52 PM   #27 
  - Excellent article. This guy needs support. What a travesty of justice.  sabrina 1   May-19-11 11:58 PM   #30 
  - "We had the power"  dreamnightwind   May-20-11 01:52 AM   #34 
  - there's no better illustration as to why the Constitution was meant to keep power in check  nashville_brook   May-20-11 06:57 AM   #37 
  - My household just watched "Fair Game" and it is quite chilling  truedelphi   May-20-11 02:10 PM   #73 
     - ah -- need to add that to netflix!  nashville_brook   May-20-11 03:58 PM   #89 
  - This definitely needs much more attention.  bluethruandthru   May-20-11 09:00 AM   #39 
  - +1 --  defendandprotect   May-20-11 12:51 PM   #63 
  - Government Secrecy, and the prosecution of Whistle Blowers...  bvar22   May-20-11 09:29 AM   #42 
  - seriously -- and it's amazing how little people care about this.  nashville_brook   May-20-11 09:40 AM   #44 
  - Next, we'll be sending Seal Team 6 after whistleblowers.  Fuddnik   May-20-11 09:49 AM   #45 
     - or, sending Seal Team 6 after any group selected by the software as a threat to political power  nashville_brook   May-20-11 10:27 AM   #47 
  - Big KNR!  tekisui   May-20-11 10:17 AM   #46 
  - Political parties - two sides of the same corporate/oligarch coin.  Roland99   May-20-11 10:45 AM   #48 
  - Bill Hicks...Politics in America  nashville_brook   May-20-11 10:57 AM   #52 
  - Important article  MissDeeds   May-20-11 10:51 AM   #50 
  - This particularly disturbing. Just who did we elect as our great hope?  olegramps   May-20-11 11:16 AM   #54 
  - i think that's exactly right -- these agencies are a necessity and require oversight...  nashville_brook   May-20-11 11:35 AM   #55 
  - Barack to nation:  truedelphi   May-20-11 02:12 PM   #74 
  - It also reaffirms the precedent established by the Bush administration  hulka38   May-20-11 04:45 PM   #96 
  - K&R  pscot   May-20-11 11:54 AM   #58 
  - K&R  Pooka Fey   May-20-11 12:46 PM   #61 
  - ... and Harry Reid made "deal" today on extending PATRIOT ACT -- !!  defendandprotect   May-20-11 12:50 PM   #62 
  - b/c taking your shoes off in the airport is essential to "our freedoms"  nashville_brook   May-20-11 01:09 PM   #67 
  - Well one big difference - Republicans often do what  truedelphi   May-20-11 02:14 PM   #75 
  - Not that it's needed  pecwae   May-20-11 02:09 PM   #71 
  - Kicking ! n/t  Hotler   May-20-11 02:15 PM   #76 
  - This story is really going to hurt Obama in 2012.  JDPriestly   May-20-11 02:21 PM   #77 
  - it might not - not if the issue of whistleblower protection doesn't become an issue  nashville_brook   May-20-11 02:32 PM   #79 
     - it probably will not even be on the radar  G_j   May-20-11 03:58 PM   #88 
  - President Obama should hang his head in shame  Angry Dragon   May-20-11 02:40 PM   #80 
  - K&R  zeos3   May-20-11 03:41 PM   #83 
  - Highly recommended  somone   May-20-11 04:01 PM   #90 
  - K&R'd!!!  snot   May-20-11 04:12 PM   #91 
  - And ever so slowly it finally dawned upon them that they had been lied to all along. - K&R n/t  DeSwiss   May-20-11 04:17 PM   #92 
  - But they couldn't admit the realization amongst themselves  kenny blankenship   May-21-11 09:28 AM   #142 
     - ....  DeSwiss   May-21-11 04:51 PM   #145 
  - Read it and weep. nt  BlueIris   May-20-11 04:32 PM   #95 
  - This is so untrue it doesn't even qualify as hyperbole. n/t  stevenleser   May-20-11 07:04 PM   #111 
  - but hey, thanks for the kick!  nashville_brook   May-20-11 08:13 PM   #125 
     - You're welcome. People who mislead should be brought into scrutiny. I'll keep kicking nt  stevenleser   May-21-11 09:05 AM   #141 
  - No new information, but retread stuff to bash Obama.  boppers   May-20-11 07:15 PM   #114 
  - actually, i'd love nothing more than to be able to praise Obama for making this right.  nashville_brook   May-20-11 08:12 PM   #124 
  - It's spooks arguing with spooks over money... and this power predates Obama.  boppers   May-20-11 08:17 PM   #127 
     - Trying to imprison a whistleblower for 35 yrs on espionage charges is an argument over money?  DirkGently   May-20-11 08:59 PM   #130 
     - The charges are directly related to classified documents used to try and rig bids.  boppers   May-20-11 09:42 PM   #133 
        - Is there a refutation of fact a whistleblower is charged with espionage hidden somewhere in there?  DirkGently   May-20-11 10:17 PM   #135 
           - Whistleblowing means you get subjected to scrutiny, so have your crap in order when you do it.  boppers   May-20-11 11:01 PM   #136 
     - this is a CRIMINAL prosecution -- not civil. it's not about money. that's #1.  nashville_brook   May-20-11 09:04 PM   #131 
        - Okay...  boppers   May-20-11 09:59 PM   #134 
  - It can only be read as a "bash" because a) it's true, & b) it's what we hired Obama to stop.  DirkGently   May-20-11 08:16 PM   #126 
  - Whistleblowers need community, national support -- they're trying to help us all  defendandprotect   May-20-11 07:19 PM   #115 
  - kick for later n/t  slipslidingaway   May-20-11 07:44 PM   #117 
  - *****k&r! nt  wildbilln864   May-20-11 09:12 PM   #132 
  - Vush, Cheney, Rove, Ashcroft, Gonzalez, Rumsfeld, et al walk free.  Octafish   May-20-11 11:53 PM   #137 
  - kick!  themadstork   May-21-11 11:52 AM   #144 
 

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