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9. Unacceptable. This is the WORST of the Bush Doctrine that Gov't "Secrets" are whatever embarrasses.

Like Manning, Drake is being prosecuted under the almost-never-used Espionage Act. Notably, we applied it to someone who sold the identities of U.S. agents to the Soviet Union.

Drake stands accused of having five pieces of paper, which may or may not be "classified," which are not bomb plans or the identities of agents, which he transmitted to no one, for no money.

His actual crime appears to have been relaying gargantuan NSA bureaucratic waste to a reporter. For this, armed agents break down doors and point guns to people's heads?

THIS is what the Constitution was supposed to prevent. We're not edging closer to a possible police state. It is here, now.

The only thing making it less evident is that it is not being applied to more people, more often.

That we know of.


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  -"...only people Obama has prosecuted are the whistle-blowers" - Jane Mayer | New Yorker nashville_brook  May-19-11 07:37 PM   #0 
  - Recommended.  H2O Man   May-19-11 07:39 PM   #1 
  - i'm surprised there hasn't been much discussion of's a hugely important piece  nashville_brook   May-19-11 07:41 PM   #2 
     - It's a long article.  EFerrari   May-19-11 07:58 PM   #7 
     - Inconvenient truths sometimes get overlooked somehow, don't they?  DirkGently   May-19-11 08:06 PM   #10 
     - Such is the nature of inconvenient truths.  Enthusiast   May-20-11 09:20 AM   #41 
     - when that doesn't work, inconvenient truths become targets for attack.  nashville_brook   May-20-11 09:32 AM   #43 
     - really really long -- but it's a real page-turner!  nashville_brook   May-19-11 08:14 PM   #11 
     - Um, I posted Jane Mayer's New Yorker article about it yesterday  coalition_unwilling   May-20-11 12:23 AM   #33 
     - i wondered if there might be some marginalizing of it  nashville_brook   May-20-11 06:52 AM   #36 
     - Yeah ... not popular here to make clear the differences between what  defendandprotect   May-20-11 12:57 PM   #64 
        - what's sad is that local Dem groups think they can ride Obama's coat tails in 2012  nashville_brook   May-20-11 03:11 PM   #81 
           - 80% of the public wants an end to the wars -- 76% + MEDICARE FOR ALL -- 2010 did happen!!  defendandprotect   May-21-11 11:21 AM   #143 
     - I salute you.l n/t  truedelphi   May-20-11 02:08 PM   #69 
  - That's not right - they've prosecuted other people.  TroubleMan   May-19-11 07:44 PM   # 
  - to be fair, everyone knows that MMJ patients are all commie spies  nashville_brook   May-19-11 08:32 PM   #13 
  - NO NO NO  mountainlion55   May-20-11 10:48 AM   #49 
     - heh heh - silly me  nashville_brook   May-20-11 11:45 AM   #57 
     - I like your commentary.  truedelphi   May-20-11 02:09 PM   #72 
  - Much safer being a torturer or a mortgage assignment forger than a whistleblower or pot farmer.  DirkGently   May-19-11 08:52 PM   #15 
     - +1000% -- this guy testified before Congress as a "whistleblower" -- and is being prosecuted for it!  defendandprotect   May-20-11 01:01 PM   #65 
  - If you haven't done anything wrong..  Fumesucker   May-19-11 07:44 PM   #3 
  - so true...the government wouldn't ever do anything harmful to its citizens' freedom  nashville_brook   May-19-11 07:48 PM   #4 
  - + 1. n/t  truedelphi   May-20-11 02:08 PM   #70 
  - Good grief, the govment knows all about you and your monkey. nm  rhett o rick   May-19-11 07:54 PM   #5 
     - Geez, even I know about him and his monkey.  Vattel   May-20-11 02:27 PM   #78 
        - ...and believe me, you don't wanna KNOW what those two have to hide...  Ken Burch   May-20-11 07:09 PM   #113 
           - if it involves bananas, it's not going to be pretty.  nashville_brook   May-20-11 08:09 PM   #123 
              - but it will meet the RDA's for nitrogen, to say the least...  Ken Burch   May-20-11 08:20 PM   #129 
              - I assure you,  Vattel   May-21-11 06:21 AM   #139 
                 - I heard a bust of William Jennings Bryan came into it as well.  Ken Burch   May-21-11 06:26 PM   #146 
  - If we've learned anything since we ran Bush out of town, is that it wasnt Bush. It's so much bigger  rhett o rick   May-19-11 07:56 PM   #6 
  - So very true...  CoffeeCat   May-20-11 09:17 AM   #40 
  - there's not nearly the energy for "issue" politics that there used to be...  nashville_brook   May-20-11 03:17 PM   #82 
  - It's true.  Kaleko   May-20-11 04:30 PM   #94 
  - AND ANOTHER you pretty well covered it. At some point the masses will wake up. Hope  rhett o rick   May-20-11 03:50 PM   #84 
     - we need our older folk really really bad --  nashville_brook   May-20-11 06:27 PM   #100 
  - It's so much bigger  pscot   May-20-11 12:02 PM   #59 
  - Cheesus, you said the N-word. But I agree. nm  rhett o rick   May-20-11 03:51 PM   #85 
  - Unfortunately the same ptb control the message machine.  cui bono   May-20-11 01:05 PM   #66 
  - Yes it may be a while. But what's ptb?  rhett o rick   May-20-11 03:55 PM   #86 
     - ptb = powers that be  cui bono   May-21-11 01:43 AM   #138 
  - So sadly true.  russspeakeasy   May-20-11 04:19 PM   #93 
  - That's  ProSense   May-19-11 08:00 PM   #8 
  - So what!  mountainlion55   May-20-11 10:53 AM   #51 
  - So what? The OP is misleading, that's what. I guess the truth doesnt matter to you nt  stevenleser   May-20-11 07:59 PM   #119 
  - What does your list have to do with anything?  Vattel   May-20-11 07:20 PM   #116 
  - I'll tell you WTF. The OP title is misleading. That's WTF.  stevenleser   May-20-11 08:00 PM   #120 
     - Do tell. Who's been prosecuted on the non-whistleblower side of illegal spying on Americans?  DirkGently   May-20-11 08:18 PM   #128 
        - That is not what the title of the OP asserts.  stevenleser   May-21-11 09:04 AM   #140 
  - Alas, the mob ignored your facts in its rush to kill anyone named Cassius. n/t  stevenleser   May-20-11 08:00 PM   #121 
  - Unacceptable. This is the WORST of the Bush Doctrine that Gov't "Secrets" are whatever embarrasses.  DirkGently   May-19-11 08:00 PM   #9 
  - You realize, of course, that Drake also supported the "national-surveillance state"  Azathoth   May-19-11 08:24 PM   #12 
  - actually, anyone who reads this article will come away with a much different view  nashville_brook   May-19-11 08:39 PM   #14 
  - I did read the article and it did not support your OP commentary  Azathoth   May-19-11 09:26 PM   #24 
     - portraying him as persecuted, open-government, anti-surveillance hero is absurd" - LOL  nashville_brook   May-19-11 10:18 PM   #28 
     - Wow, have you even read the article you posted?  Azathoth   May-19-11 11:43 PM   #29 
        - "Patently offensive"? In your post #12, you conceded that Drake  coalition_unwilling   May-20-11 12:15 AM   #32 
        - 'attempt(ing) to minimize the seriousness of this matter' - spot on  nashville_brook   May-20-11 06:38 AM   #35 
        - lol, you're not even trying to address the facts, are you?  Azathoth   May-20-11 06:36 PM   #102 
           - i suggest you create an OP that clearly lays out your position, and see how many people buy what  nashville_brook   May-20-11 06:46 PM   #105 
           - Alright, I'll try one more time  Azathoth   May-20-11 07:05 PM   #112 
           - and btw -- i never said he was military at NSA, i said he was military PRIOR to NSA.  nashville_brook   May-20-11 06:48 PM   #107 
        - So pointing out that Drake is a former spook is the same as blaming a rape victim?  Azathoth   May-20-11 06:26 PM   #99 
           - the prosecution of Drake is analogous to rape  nashville_brook   May-20-11 06:42 PM   #103 
              - If you say so, though I suspect there may be more than a few women out there who disagree  Azathoth   May-20-11 06:46 PM   #106 
                 - you don't have to hang a poster of him, but plenty others will.  nashville_brook   May-20-11 06:50 PM   #108 
        - Azathoth, Nobody is Good  DaveJ   May-20-11 07:04 PM   #110 
           - True  Azathoth   May-20-11 07:48 PM   #118 
     - Ad-hom smear noted  StarburstClock   May-20-11 04:59 PM   #97 
        - Say what? n/t  Azathoth   May-20-11 06:27 PM   #101 
  - He didn't commit espionage, is the point.  DirkGently   May-19-11 08:53 PM   #16 
  - It's not treason to expose government crime and corruption.  EFerrari   May-19-11 08:53 PM   #17 
  - Obama campaigned as a great supporter of Whistleblowers. Now, not so much.  DirkGently   May-19-11 08:57 PM   #19 
  - Indeed. Which is why I didn't accuse Drake of committing treason. n/t  Azathoth   May-19-11 09:44 PM   #26 
  - re:"It's not treason to expose government crime and corruption"  The Green Manalishi   May-20-11 03:56 PM   #87 
  - Bradley Manning's "treasonous idiocy"? You've got to be joking.  readmoreoften   May-19-11 09:04 PM   #20 
     - Perhaps you should reread my post  Azathoth   May-19-11 09:42 PM   #25 
     - Rationality and nuance?  pscot   May-20-11 12:17 PM   #60 
     - i think the poster understood perfectly -- Wiki-Hate  nashville_brook   May-20-11 01:27 PM   #68 
     - Oh I see, I badmouthed Manning and that caused the poster to completely lost his/her marbles  Azathoth   May-20-11 06:43 PM   #104 
        - HA! when someone disagrees with you "they've completely lost their marbles" -- so rational of you.  nashville_brook   May-20-11 06:51 PM   #109 
           - No, when someone responds to me in a way that isn't even related to what I posted  Azathoth   May-20-11 08:00 PM   #122 
     - Manning is not an idot,  sulphurdunn   May-20-11 05:31 PM   #98 
     - i think you nailed it. Wiki-Hate.  nashville_brook   May-20-11 11:04 AM   #53 
  - ^^^ Fascinating and deeply disturbing article. A Must Read  Gravel Democrat   May-19-11 08:56 PM   #18 
  - easily the most important reporting yet, this year.  nashville_brook   May-20-11 08:45 AM   #38 
  - K&R n/t  myrna minx   May-19-11 09:04 PM   #21 
  - K&R.  Kurovski   May-20-11 12:03 AM   #31 
     - Hey there.  myrna minx   May-20-11 11:40 AM   #56 
  - K&R  leftstreet   May-19-11 09:05 PM   #22 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   May-19-11 09:08 PM   #23 
  - Someone quoted in the article suggests he's naive on intelligence matters.  DirkGently   May-19-11 09:52 PM   #27 
  - Excellent article. This guy needs support. What a travesty of justice.  sabrina 1   May-19-11 11:58 PM   #30 
  - "We had the power"  dreamnightwind   May-20-11 01:52 AM   #34 
  - there's no better illustration as to why the Constitution was meant to keep power in check  nashville_brook   May-20-11 06:57 AM   #37 
  - My household just watched "Fair Game" and it is quite chilling  truedelphi   May-20-11 02:10 PM   #73 
     - ah -- need to add that to netflix!  nashville_brook   May-20-11 03:58 PM   #89 
  - This definitely needs much more attention.  bluethruandthru   May-20-11 09:00 AM   #39 
  - +1 --  defendandprotect   May-20-11 12:51 PM   #63 
  - Government Secrecy, and the prosecution of Whistle Blowers...  bvar22   May-20-11 09:29 AM   #42 
  - seriously -- and it's amazing how little people care about this.  nashville_brook   May-20-11 09:40 AM   #44 
  - Next, we'll be sending Seal Team 6 after whistleblowers.  Fuddnik   May-20-11 09:49 AM   #45 
     - or, sending Seal Team 6 after any group selected by the software as a threat to political power  nashville_brook   May-20-11 10:27 AM   #47 
  - Big KNR!  tekisui   May-20-11 10:17 AM   #46 
  - Political parties - two sides of the same corporate/oligarch coin.  Roland99   May-20-11 10:45 AM   #48 
  - Bill Hicks...Politics in America  nashville_brook   May-20-11 10:57 AM   #52 
  - Important article  MissDeeds   May-20-11 10:51 AM   #50 
  - This particularly disturbing. Just who did we elect as our great hope?  olegramps   May-20-11 11:16 AM   #54 
  - i think that's exactly right -- these agencies are a necessity and require oversight...  nashville_brook   May-20-11 11:35 AM   #55 
  - Barack to nation:  truedelphi   May-20-11 02:12 PM   #74 
  - It also reaffirms the precedent established by the Bush administration  hulka38   May-20-11 04:45 PM   #96 
  - K&R  pscot   May-20-11 11:54 AM   #58 
  - K&R  Pooka Fey   May-20-11 12:46 PM   #61 
  - ... and Harry Reid made "deal" today on extending PATRIOT ACT -- !!  defendandprotect   May-20-11 12:50 PM   #62 
  - b/c taking your shoes off in the airport is essential to "our freedoms"  nashville_brook   May-20-11 01:09 PM   #67 
  - Well one big difference - Republicans often do what  truedelphi   May-20-11 02:14 PM   #75 
  - Not that it's needed  pecwae   May-20-11 02:09 PM   #71 
  - Kicking ! n/t  Hotler   May-20-11 02:15 PM   #76 
  - This story is really going to hurt Obama in 2012.  JDPriestly   May-20-11 02:21 PM   #77 
  - it might not - not if the issue of whistleblower protection doesn't become an issue  nashville_brook   May-20-11 02:32 PM   #79 
     - it probably will not even be on the radar  G_j   May-20-11 03:58 PM   #88 
  - President Obama should hang his head in shame  Angry Dragon   May-20-11 02:40 PM   #80 
  - K&R  zeos3   May-20-11 03:41 PM   #83 
  - Highly recommended  somone   May-20-11 04:01 PM   #90 
  - K&R'd!!!  snot   May-20-11 04:12 PM   #91 
  - And ever so slowly it finally dawned upon them that they had been lied to all along. - K&R n/t  DeSwiss   May-20-11 04:17 PM   #92 
  - But they couldn't admit the realization amongst themselves  kenny blankenship   May-21-11 09:28 AM   #142 
     - ....  DeSwiss   May-21-11 04:51 PM   #145 
  - Read it and weep. nt  BlueIris   May-20-11 04:32 PM   #95 
  - This is so untrue it doesn't even qualify as hyperbole. n/t  stevenleser   May-20-11 07:04 PM   #111 
  - but hey, thanks for the kick!  nashville_brook   May-20-11 08:13 PM   #125 
     - You're welcome. People who mislead should be brought into scrutiny. I'll keep kicking nt  stevenleser   May-21-11 09:05 AM   #141 
  - No new information, but retread stuff to bash Obama.  boppers   May-20-11 07:15 PM   #114 
  - actually, i'd love nothing more than to be able to praise Obama for making this right.  nashville_brook   May-20-11 08:12 PM   #124 
  - It's spooks arguing with spooks over money... and this power predates Obama.  boppers   May-20-11 08:17 PM   #127 
     - Trying to imprison a whistleblower for 35 yrs on espionage charges is an argument over money?  DirkGently   May-20-11 08:59 PM   #130 
     - The charges are directly related to classified documents used to try and rig bids.  boppers   May-20-11 09:42 PM   #133 
        - Is there a refutation of fact a whistleblower is charged with espionage hidden somewhere in there?  DirkGently   May-20-11 10:17 PM   #135 
           - Whistleblowing means you get subjected to scrutiny, so have your crap in order when you do it.  boppers   May-20-11 11:01 PM   #136 
     - this is a CRIMINAL prosecution -- not civil. it's not about money. that's #1.  nashville_brook   May-20-11 09:04 PM   #131 
        - Okay...  boppers   May-20-11 09:59 PM   #134 
  - It can only be read as a "bash" because a) it's true, & b) it's what we hired Obama to stop.  DirkGently   May-20-11 08:16 PM   #126 
  - Whistleblowers need community, national support -- they're trying to help us all  defendandprotect   May-20-11 07:19 PM   #115 
  - kick for later n/t  slipslidingaway   May-20-11 07:44 PM   #117 
  - *****k&r! nt  wildbilln864   May-20-11 09:12 PM   #132 
  - Vush, Cheney, Rove, Ashcroft, Gonzalez, Rumsfeld, et al walk free.  Octafish   May-20-11 11:53 PM   #137 
  - kick!  themadstork   May-21-11 11:52 AM   #144 

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