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Segami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-11 12:01 PM
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Did a GOP CONSPIRACY Target BOTH Don Siegelman and Gray Davis?
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" The same Republican plot that sparked the Don Siegelman prosecution might also have led to the downfall of former California Governor Gray Davis. Siegelman, the former Democratic governor of Alabama, raised the issue in interviews after last week's ruling from the U.S. Eleventh Circuit Court of Appeals that upheld most of his convictions from a 2006 corruption trial.

We have reported that the Eleventh Circuit ignored U.S. Supreme Court precedent by holding that a campaign-related transaction between Siegelman and former HealthSouth CEO Richard Scrushy amounted to bribery, even though no "explicit agreement" was involved. McCormick v. Unites States is the binding case on a charge of bribery in the campaign context, and that requires that prosecutors prove that an "explicit agreement" existed. Mark Fuller, the Bush-appointed judge who oversaw the Siegelman trial, did not hold prosecutors to such a standard, and the Eleventh Circuit essentially said, "Ah, that's OK . . . close enough."

Davis' opponents spent some $66 million to stage a recall election in 2003, and Davis wound up being removed from office. He was replaced by Republican and film star Arnold Schwarzenegger, who has been in the news lately for events that have nothing to do with politics. Why would Republicans target both Siegelman and Davis in 2002-03? Siegelman told Peter B. Collins that it all had to do with presidential politics. "Al Gore had decided he was not going to seek the nomination in 2004, and Gray Davis was the leading Democratic candidate for president at that time," Siegelman said. "I was a friend of Gray Davis, and I was thinking about entering presidential primaries in the South,to challenge George W. Bush.

"An interesting parallel is that one of Karl Rove's best friends, Grover Norquist, was at work in California to do in Gray Davis--and also was at work in Alabama to cause me trouble." Both Siegelman and Davis had been involved in litigation against the tobacco industry, which also might have helped make them targets for Rove and his allies at the U.S. Chamber of Commerce. Rove and others who were planning Bush's 2004 re-election campaign apparently were concerned about facing popular Democratic governors from the West and the South. After Davis and Siegelman went down, Bush wound up facing U.S. Senator John Kerry, of Massachusetts.



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  -Did a GOP CONSPIRACY Target BOTH Don Siegelman and Gray Davis? Segami  May-19-11 12:01 PM   #0 
  - norquist still controls the rethugs in the CA  xxqqqzme   May-19-11 12:08 PM   #1 
  - Seems likely...  rfranklin   May-19-11 12:08 PM   #2 
  - It's the Illuminatti  sharp_stick   May-19-11 12:09 PM   #3 
  - Correct me if I am wrong, but didn't Siegelman  asjr   May-19-11 12:21 PM   #5 
     - Now that is kind of creepy  sharp_stick   May-19-11 02:09 PM   #23 
  - They WERE targeted so Rove could control vote NUMBERS reported. Neither were potential prez primary  blm   May-19-11 12:19 PM   #4 
  - Davis had nothing to do with elections. They are run by the Secretary of State  Freddie Stubbs   May-19-11 12:24 PM   #8 
  - Did Schwarzenegger replace the CA SOS when he took office?  RaleighNCDUer   May-19-11 12:33 PM   #11 
  - Secretaries of State are elected officials  tishaLA   May-19-11 12:41 PM   #15 
  - And wherever GOPs political machine CAN interfere it will, whether they control SoS office or not.  blm   May-19-11 12:36 PM   #12 
     - Remember California SoS Kevin Shelley?  Art_from_Ark   May-19-11 10:16 PM   #28 
  - You are saying Rove controls the vote totals in California???  former9thward   May-19-11 12:31 PM   #10 
     - A strong political network can control the REPORTING of those numbers as it did in Ohio and Florida.  blm   May-19-11 12:38 PM   #13 
        - No it can't.  former9thward   May-19-11 12:42 PM   #16 
           - Look what happened in Ohio's Warren County. Over 3000 more votes reported than there were voters.  blm   May-19-11 12:50 PM   #17 
              - nonsense  OnTheOtherHand   May-19-11 12:56 PM   #18 
                 - Pardone, I meant Gahanna in Franklin County, though Warren did have its share of incredulous data.  blm   May-19-11 01:03 PM   #19 
                    - but Gahanna seems to undermine your point  OnTheOtherHand   May-19-11 01:25 PM   #20 
                       - You're wrong...Gahanna PROVES my actual point as the officials only gave the CORRECT count after it  blm   May-19-11 04:03 PM   #24 
                          - "GOP officials in Gahanna"?  OnTheOtherHand   May-19-11 05:22 PM   #25 
                             - OK... Roses and rainbows it is, then. In YOUR world an extra 3000 votes for Bush show up  blm   May-19-11 05:31 PM   #26 
                                - insult me all you like, but there's a factual problem here  OnTheOtherHand   May-19-11 09:52 PM   #27 
  - oh yes  shanti   May-19-11 12:23 PM   #6 
  - yes  fascisthunter   May-19-11 12:23 PM   #7 
  - Likely  Dawson Leery   May-19-11 12:26 PM   #9 
  - Gray Davis was never "the leading Democratic candidate for president"  onenote   May-19-11 12:41 PM   #14 
  - I thought Gray was removed because he was going after  WhiteTara   May-19-11 01:27 PM   #21 
  - and don't forget scumbag Darrell Issa  dynasaw   May-19-11 01:55 PM   #22 

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