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| -Fast-food industry is quietly defeating Happy Meal bans |
The Straight Story |
May-18-11 11:49 AM |
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"Somebody was working the committee" |
DontTreadOnMe |
May-18-11 11:51 AM |
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Yes, this lover of and lobbiest for McDonald's... |
GodlessBiker |
May-18-11 12:06 PM |
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Glad to hear it... |
Cid_B |
May-18-11 12:07 PM |
#3 |
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Why? |
Occulus |
May-18-11 12:17 PM |
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Yep. And pits parents against their children. |
Luminous Animal |
May-18-11 12:30 PM |
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Oooh...tough battle. |
Atman |
May-18-11 12:34 PM |
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Myself, I prefered a positive relationship with my child and whatever |
Luminous Animal |
May-18-11 12:40 PM |
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Hope they get used to hearing no. no. no. |
joeglow3 |
May-18-11 12:44 PM |
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Exactly. |
Codeine |
May-18-11 12:54 PM |
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Growing up, I rarely heard no. There simply was not that much temptation. |
Luminous Animal |
May-18-11 01:48 PM |
#36 |
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We will have to agree to disagree |
joeglow3 |
May-18-11 02:43 PM |
#42 |
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Improving the conditions of a child's life on the side of the affirmative does not negate |
Luminous Animal |
May-18-11 04:00 PM |
#43 |
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That is premised on you telling why/how you "improve" the conditions |
joeglow3 |
May-18-11 05:34 PM |
#48 |
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Deleted posted in the wrong place. |
Luminous Animal |
May-18-11 05:58 PM |
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you live in a fantasy world |
MikeW |
May-18-11 05:38 PM |
#49 |
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This girl lives a "magical life" also" (I mean literally).... |
-..__... |
May-18-11 11:00 PM |
#74 |
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This is about advertising directed towards children. Not the food. What part of that do you not |
Luminous Animal |
May-18-11 11:14 PM |
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No... |
-..__... |
May-18-11 11:26 PM |
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Many people (most of the western world, in fact) believe that a billions of $$$ corporation has no |
Luminous Animal |
May-19-11 12:21 AM |
#80 |
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I imagine that were yours the only relevant point... |
LanternWaste |
May-19-11 03:41 PM |
#177 |
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people are faced with advertising and it is important to learn to deal with it and |
ejpoeta |
May-19-11 10:12 AM |
#106 |
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People are exposed to a lot of things that are not appropriate for children. |
Luminous Animal |
May-19-11 10:27 AM |
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so advertising is the same as sex? wtf is wrong with people!! |
ejpoeta |
May-19-11 10:29 AM |
#113 |
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Advertising that targets children who cannot distinguish between fantasy |
Luminous Animal |
May-19-11 10:40 AM |
#117 |
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+1 |
Atman |
May-19-11 10:28 AM |
#112 |
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I understand it |
Dorian Gray |
May-19-11 08:19 PM |
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+1 |
Atman |
May-20-11 08:50 AM |
#208 |
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A positive relationship doesn't mean saying YES whenever they want something. |
Atman |
May-18-11 12:46 PM |
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I never said or advised anyone to say yes to anything a child wants. I advise |
Luminous Animal |
May-18-11 01:52 PM |
#37 |
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"I WANT A HAPPY MEAL!" |
Atman |
May-18-11 02:26 PM |
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spit take. |
Dorian Gray |
May-19-11 08:22 PM |
#206 |
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And it is the job of everyone else... |
Cid_B |
May-18-11 12:49 PM |
#23 |
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Few screamed when Joe Camel advertising was curtailed. No one cares |
Luminous Animal |
May-18-11 01:55 PM |
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Wow. |
Codeine |
May-18-11 12:53 PM |
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She does live in the real world. She is 21 now and she is one of the most positive and |
Luminous Animal |
May-18-11 01:44 PM |
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When she never grows up and moves out, we'll know why. n/t |
Zywiec |
May-19-11 11:12 AM |
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Grown up. Moved out. Traveling around Europe by herself this summer. NEXT! |
Luminous Animal |
May-19-11 11:35 AM |
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Deleted sub-thread |
Name removed |
May-19-11 12:26 PM |
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Self-Delete |
Marengo |
May-19-11 06:17 PM |
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+1000. I'm troubled by this latest generation of parents' inability to say NO! |
ecstatic |
May-18-11 12:43 PM |
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We have this wonderful world of "corporate rights" |
MattBaggins |
May-19-11 09:32 AM |
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They, in fact, do have that right. |
Atman |
May-19-11 10:22 AM |
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So tobacco companies have the right to advertise to children. How about pornographers? |
Luminous Animal |
May-19-11 10:33 AM |
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Tobacco companies cannot advertise to children. There is a LAW about that. |
Atman |
May-19-11 10:50 AM |
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Yes. And parents nationwide are starting to demand that their be a law against |
Luminous Animal |
May-19-11 10:55 AM |
#121 |
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I imagine were it simply a "freakin' lunch choice"... |
LanternWaste |
May-19-11 03:40 PM |
#175 |
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What doesn't do that? |
The2ndWheel |
May-18-11 12:36 PM |
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You are telling me that your relationship with your children is oppositional rather |
Luminous Animal |
May-18-11 12:41 PM |
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Bound to be some friction in the relationship between parent and child |
The2ndWheel |
May-18-11 12:54 PM |
#27 |
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I remember the last time this came up... |
Cid_B |
May-18-11 12:41 PM |
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whatever...god people are stupid and have to much time on their hands |
snooper2 |
May-18-11 02:27 PM |
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I tend to agree. |
Atman |
May-18-11 12:25 PM |
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Exactly. |
HappyMe |
May-18-11 12:30 PM |
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Mcdonalds is the easy target imo |
Mosby |
May-18-11 01:26 PM |
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Agree. What's the harm if a parent wants to get their child a happy meal once or twice a month as |
KatieW |
May-18-11 12:36 PM |
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Agreed. Don't like Happy Meals? Then don't buy them. |
Kievan Rus |
May-18-11 06:04 PM |
#52 |
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The issue is not an adults free choice but the privelege afforded to McDonalds |
Luminous Animal |
May-18-11 06:09 PM |
#54 |
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All a parent has to say is "No" |
Kievan Rus |
May-18-11 07:38 PM |
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Again, this is not about parents. This is about advertising directed at children. |
Luminous Animal |
May-18-11 08:35 PM |
#61 |
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And as a parent, you explain to your child that the advertising is bullshit. |
Atman |
May-19-11 08:55 AM |
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And I could try to explain meta-physics to my 5 year old |
MattBaggins |
May-19-11 09:06 AM |
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Fail. Advertising is NOT metaphysics. Even if you add a hyphen. |
Atman |
May-19-11 10:15 AM |
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Aw but then the kid might not think you're cool |
WatsonT |
May-19-11 02:37 PM |
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"Children from age 0-5 do not have the capacity . . . |
WatsonT |
May-19-11 02:36 PM |
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We don't give them money to buy cigarettes or access porn, either. |
Luminous Animal |
May-19-11 03:18 PM |
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Porn seems silly |
WatsonT |
May-19-11 03:22 PM |
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Big Mac. Sounds horny. |
Atman |
May-19-11 03:28 PM |
#168 |
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Again, the armchair diagnosis. Too bad you can't help but take personal swipes. |
Luminous Animal |
May-19-11 03:37 PM |
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Nothing personal about it. |
Atman |
May-19-11 03:39 PM |
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Accusing me of being paranoid is a personal observation. Deal. |
Luminous Animal |
May-19-11 03:42 PM |
#179 |
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Don't worry, she's got your back: |
WatsonT |
May-19-11 05:26 PM |
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Saying no to your child is hardly an "oppositional relationship." |
Starbucks Anarchist |
May-19-11 05:41 PM |
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Children between the ages of 0-5 also do not have |
Dorian Gray |
May-19-11 08:25 PM |
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Me too! |
Egnever |
May-18-11 07:39 PM |
#58 |
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Some people think legislating taste is their job |
Taverner |
May-19-11 04:09 PM |
#189 |
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This has nothing to do with taste. It is an effort to curb predatory advertising directed |
Luminous Animal |
May-19-11 04:53 PM |
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Seriously? Every kind of advertisment could be called "predatory" |
Taverner |
May-19-11 05:54 PM |
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I never claimed that McDonalds is an evil empire. People do seem to want to |
Luminous Animal |
May-19-11 06:39 PM |
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Good. |
HappyMe |
May-18-11 12:27 PM |
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Same with a bar and smoking |
The Straight Story |
May-18-11 12:30 PM |
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No, it's not the same at all. |
Atman |
May-18-11 12:32 PM |
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yup. |
HappyMe |
May-18-11 12:35 PM |
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I buy the kid's meal at fast food places quite often |
tammywammy |
May-18-11 12:34 PM |
#11 |
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more generally, |
Bill McBlueState |
May-18-11 12:37 PM |
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A happy meal is not unhealthy |
Mosby |
May-18-11 12:51 PM |
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According to Consumer Reports, a McD's hamburger is a healthy choice. |
Atman |
May-18-11 12:56 PM |
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And where I am |
laundry_queen |
May-19-11 09:35 AM |
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It sets the course for a diet laden with sugar, salt & grease, that's why. |
Shagbark Hickory |
May-18-11 12:57 PM |
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If only there were some recognized authority figure |
WatsonT |
May-18-11 10:28 PM |
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+1 |
kiva |
May-18-11 11:08 PM |
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And these authority figures are petitioning their elected representatives |
Luminous Animal |
May-18-11 11:12 PM |
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+!, in lieu of serious regulation of junk fooderies, this is the least they can do and like you said |
Shagbark Hickory |
May-19-11 07:48 AM |
#81 |
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So these hypothetical authority figures are announcing that they lack the ability |
WatsonT |
May-19-11 08:16 AM |
#83 |
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Could you address the issue that McD's is intentionally |
MattBaggins |
May-19-11 09:10 AM |
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Against their wishes? It's called "advertising." |
Atman |
May-19-11 10:26 AM |
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So cigarette companies should be allowed to use cartton characters |
MattBaggins |
May-19-11 10:30 AM |
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In every country I've visted, "SMOKING WILL KILL YOU" is the biggest type on the carton |
Atman |
May-19-11 10:41 AM |
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You didn't answer the question. Should tobacco companies be allowed to advertise to children |
Luminous Animal |
May-19-11 10:49 AM |
#119 |
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Well obviously advertisers should always have to get their audience to sign a release form |
WatsonT |
May-19-11 02:32 PM |
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They are trying to make a buck to the detriment of 1) the parent/ child relationship... |
Luminous Animal |
May-19-11 10:31 AM |
#115 |
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Isn't everyone targeted by advertisers, every day? |
WatsonT |
May-19-11 02:30 PM |
#144 |
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Kids 5 and younger do not have the cognitive development to distiguish between |
Luminous Animal |
May-19-11 02:42 PM |
#154 |
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You're right, as such we should not allow children to drive |
WatsonT |
May-19-11 02:50 PM |
#157 |
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Too worthless to respond. When you develop an argument for the benefits of |
Luminous Animal |
May-19-11 03:22 PM |
#163 |
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Well it ticks you off, so that's one |
WatsonT |
May-19-11 07:16 PM |
#204 |
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what, 10 of them? |
snooper2 |
May-20-11 12:01 PM |
#210 |
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It's like Lord of the Flies, I tell ya. |
Starbucks Anarchist |
May-19-11 05:28 PM |
#198 |
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parents set the course for a kids diet, not a fucking company |
snooper2 |
May-20-11 12:00 PM |
#209 |
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Something tells me they won't get away with this in Vermont. |
Shagbark Hickory |
May-18-11 12:55 PM |
#28 |
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Just cheese and maple syrup! |
Atman |
May-18-11 12:57 PM |
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Maple syrup is OK. Corn syrup is not. |
Shagbark Hickory |
May-18-11 01:01 PM |
#33 |
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Good on business to finally fight back against the nanny state. |
ileus |
May-18-11 12:58 PM |
#32 |
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So it was good that the lead industry was able to buy off legislatures for decades |
Luminous Animal |
May-18-11 01:59 PM |
#39 |
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Wow! Your analogy is so far out of alignment. |
ItNerd4life |
May-18-11 04:43 PM |
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So true. I'm more concerned about them using Silly Putty to make McNuggets. nt |
Modern_Matthew |
May-18-11 04:51 PM |
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The lead industry was unrelenting in using children in advertising and targeting |
Luminous Animal |
May-18-11 05:02 PM |
#47 |
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Once again, McDonald's food is NOT TOXIC to children. |
Atman |
May-19-11 11:08 AM |
#125 |
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Just as I would not allow the religious fundy (not toxic) down the street to prosletize to my child, |
Luminous Animal |
May-19-11 11:32 AM |
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One issue I just can't muster up enough fuck about. Sorry. nt |
Modern_Matthew |
May-18-11 04:47 PM |
#45 |
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They are defecating Happy Meals? |
jberryhill |
May-18-11 05:59 PM |
#51 |
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This is good news. Freedom of choice and parental responsibility instead of a nanny state. |
Kievan Rus |
May-18-11 06:04 PM |
#53 |
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Yep. Just like lead paint. Why can't we be free to paint our cribs with lead paint anymore? |
Luminous Animal |
May-18-11 06:11 PM |
#55 |
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Kind of a stretch |
joeglow3 |
May-18-11 07:26 PM |
#56 |
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When did we decide that there's no such thing as parental responsibility or freedom of choice? |
Kievan Rus |
May-18-11 07:51 PM |
#60 |
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You continue to argue with yourself. This is not about the food, it is about the advertising. |
Luminous Animal |
May-18-11 08:42 PM |
#62 |
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And all a parent has to say to a child is "no" |
Kievan Rus |
May-18-11 08:59 PM |
#64 |
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It's not about the eating at the restaurnat. It is about advertising to children. |
Luminous Animal |
May-18-11 09:24 PM |
#66 |
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This is parents doing this |
MattBaggins |
May-19-11 09:20 AM |
#90 |
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Thankfully |
Aerows |
May-19-11 09:40 AM |
#97 |
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Don't try to undermine parents by targetting their kids directly |
MattBaggins |
May-19-11 09:18 AM |
#89 |
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Then turn off your television and don't every take your kids out of the house. |
Atman |
May-19-11 10:59 AM |
#122 |
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Presumably, banning advertising Happy Meals to children would cross all mediums. |
Luminous Animal |
May-19-11 11:03 AM |
#123 |
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Don't fear your children. Nurture them. Educate them. |
Atman |
May-19-11 11:11 AM |
#126 |
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We are the government and if we recognize the detrimental effect that a |
Luminous Animal |
May-19-11 11:28 AM |
#129 |
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"Don't fear your children." ???? You have now wandered off into lala land. |
Luminous Animal |
May-19-11 11:33 AM |
#132 |
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Exactly |
Aerows |
May-19-11 02:55 PM |
#158 |
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I don't understand what part of strong parents forming a coalition to demand that |
Luminous Animal |
May-19-11 03:32 PM |
#170 |
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Well, that's obvious. |
Atman |
May-19-11 03:37 PM |
#173 |
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Lead paint is dangerous in itself. Toys are not |
WatsonT |
May-18-11 10:30 PM |
#72 |
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They are fighting an advertising gimmick engineered to get children hooked on an unheathy product. |
Luminous Animal |
May-18-11 11:10 PM |
#76 |
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Hooked? |
WatsonT |
May-19-11 08:15 AM |
#82 |
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Yes. Hooked. Haven't you noticed the car advertising targeting children these days? |
Luminous Animal |
May-19-11 11:06 AM |
#124 |
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Advertisers didn't use to target kids for such things |
WatsonT |
May-19-11 02:33 PM |
#147 |
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You've got proof of that? |
Luminous Animal |
May-19-11 03:11 PM |
#160 |
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Proof that they didn't used to do this? |
WatsonT |
May-19-11 05:13 PM |
#195 |
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In other words: if you can be out-argued by a 3 year old you probably shouldn't reproduce |
WatsonT |
May-19-11 02:35 PM |
#149 |
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Fredom of choice and parental responsibility |
MattBaggins |
May-19-11 09:15 AM |
#88 |
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If McD's is, then so is General Mills, Mrs. Butterworth, Nickelodeon, etc, etc. |
Atman |
May-19-11 11:27 AM |
#128 |
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Precisely. McDonald's is the battle, the rest of children's advertising is the war. |
Luminous Animal |
May-19-11 11:36 AM |
#134 |
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Good |
Philippine expat |
May-18-11 07:39 PM |
#59 |
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This makes no sense, every one is going to take feed their children fast food from time to time |
RB TexLa |
May-18-11 08:51 PM |
#63 |
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Most kids are pretty savvy. |
Ikonoklast |
May-18-11 09:13 PM |
#65 |
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Again. It is not about the parents, it is about advertising an unhealthy product to children. |
Luminous Animal |
May-18-11 09:26 PM |
#67 |
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DU applauding corporations buying/influencing our politicians. |
flvegan |
May-18-11 09:38 PM |
#68 |
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Pretty amazing. |
Luminous Animal |
May-18-11 10:00 PM |
#69 |
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It looks to me like DU |
Aerows |
May-19-11 09:44 AM |
#99 |
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Do you believe that if every single parent turned off their TV, that McDonald's would |
Luminous Animal |
May-19-11 09:54 AM |
#103 |
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No, but I believe that if you personally turned off the TV |
Aerows |
May-19-11 12:48 PM |
#138 |
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Not the point. Turning off the TV will no stop McDonald's from targeting children. |
Luminous Animal |
May-19-11 12:53 PM |
#139 |
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That is *exactly* the point |
Aerows |
May-19-11 01:39 PM |
#140 |
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I don't live in an imaginary world where McDonald's only advertises on TV, so there is no use |
Luminous Animal |
May-19-11 01:55 PM |
#141 |
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I suppose entering the fray |
Aerows |
May-19-11 02:19 PM |
#142 |
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I really do not know how I can make this clearer. TV is not the only media market that targets |
Luminous Animal |
May-19-11 02:31 PM |
#145 |
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Understood |
Aerows |
May-19-11 02:40 PM |
#153 |
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How do children see advertising without a TV? Try school. |
Luminous Animal |
May-19-11 03:26 PM |
#166 |
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Actually, you do seem to live in an imaginary world. |
Atman |
May-19-11 02:23 PM |
#143 |
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Hmm... so that's what I think, eh? Any other insights into what I "seem to think?" |
Luminous Animal |
May-19-11 02:34 PM |
#148 |
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Why? I don't need "some people say." You're saying it all yourself. |
Atman |
May-19-11 02:37 PM |
#151 |
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Actually, no I haven't and I'm through responding to your personal observations. |
Luminous Animal |
May-19-11 02:46 PM |
#156 |
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You are wrong. |
Atman |
May-19-11 03:08 PM |
#159 |
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#1) This is not just about you (or me) #2) This is not about advertising targeting adults |
Luminous Animal |
May-19-11 03:17 PM |
#161 |
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So what about products that are targeted towards children? |
Atman |
May-19-11 03:23 PM |
#165 |
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How are producers supposed to build their markets? Let them figure out how to do |
Luminous Animal |
May-19-11 03:30 PM |
#169 |
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"Preying on children?" |
Atman |
May-19-11 03:42 PM |
#178 |
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"ALL ADVERTISING IS PREDATORY." Direct quote from you. |
Luminous Animal |
May-19-11 03:45 PM |
#181 |
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Thanks for the definition. It changes nothing. |
Atman |
May-19-11 03:50 PM |
#183 |
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So do you cook? |
Aerows |
May-19-11 02:46 PM |
#155 |
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Do you really need to know? |
Luminous Animal |
May-19-11 03:27 PM |
#167 |
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ALL ADVERTISING IS PREDATORY. |
Atman |
May-19-11 03:36 PM |
#171 |
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AND CHILDREN ARE UNABLE TO COGNITIVELY PROCESS THE ADVERTISING DIRECTED AT THEM. |
Luminous Animal |
May-19-11 03:40 PM |
#176 |
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No, but you have the skills to be a good parent. |
Atman |
May-19-11 03:43 PM |
#180 |
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Again, this is not about any individuals personal choices. This is about regulating |
Luminous Animal |
May-19-11 03:48 PM |
#182 |
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It is totally about personal choices. |
Atman |
May-19-11 03:53 PM |
#184 |
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So now you are going to claim that advertising is NOT manipulative? |
Luminous Animal |
May-19-11 03:57 PM |
#185 |
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I grow so weary. |
Atman |
May-19-11 04:10 PM |
#190 |
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That is all you have left. Outright lying about what I think. I got it. |
Luminous Animal |
May-19-11 04:54 PM |
#193 |
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How the hell can I "lie" about what you think? |
Atman |
May-19-11 05:09 PM |
#194 |
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"You think parents are too stupid to raise their own kids." I never said that and I don't think it. |
Luminous Animal |
May-19-11 05:16 PM |
#196 |
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do you even have kids? |
snooper2 |
May-20-11 12:04 PM |
#211 |
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Yippee! McDonald's can continue to mindfuck our kids! Whoopee! |
KittyWampus |
May-18-11 10:25 PM |
#70 |
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"Mommy.. why can't I get a Happy Meal Toy"? |
-..__... |
May-18-11 10:43 PM |
#73 |
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Mommy why do I have Diabetes and heart disease at 15 |
MattBaggins |
May-19-11 09:25 AM |
#91 |
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Mommy, how can the TV undermine your authority? |
Starbucks Anarchist |
May-19-11 05:38 PM |
#199 |
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Good |
NeedleCast |
May-19-11 09:00 AM |
#85 |
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No offense, but aren't there more important things to worry about? |
Aerows |
May-19-11 09:25 AM |
#92 |
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Name removed |
May-19-11 09:25 AM |
#93 |
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"a measure he says will steer children to healthier options and help them avoid his fate." |
MattBaggins |
May-19-11 09:38 AM |
#96 |
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Happy Meals will help steer kids to healthier options & we're supposed to listen to him? |
KittyWampus |
May-19-11 09:40 AM |
#98 |
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Don't you know, Kitty, we are all supposed to live the Grover Norquist model of self-govt. |
Luminous Animal |
May-19-11 09:48 AM |
#101 |
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Why are you attacking me? |
MattBaggins |
May-19-11 10:11 AM |
#104 |
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I think Kitty either misread your post or responded to the wrong person. |
Luminous Animal |
May-19-11 10:18 AM |
#108 |
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So, he is fat because he is eating too many happy meals? |
Freddie Stubbs |
May-19-11 09:46 AM |
#100 |
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Woooosh |
MattBaggins |
May-19-11 10:12 AM |
#105 |
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No kidding n/t |
Aerows |
May-19-11 09:51 AM |
#102 |
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Introducing the San Francisco Happy Meal |
KamaAina |
May-19-11 11:33 AM |
#131 |
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Nope. San Francisco is still considering a ban just like (as pointed out in the OP) |
Luminous Animal |
May-19-11 11:38 AM |
#135 |
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My mom, who carried me on her shoulders to a McGovern rally in '72, also makes such jabs |
KamaAina |
May-19-11 11:56 AM |
#136 |
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Good. Those bans were stupid and counter-productive |
Taverner |
May-19-11 04:01 PM |
#186 |
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And, pray tell, just where were those bans put in place so that we could assess |
Luminous Animal |
May-19-11 04:04 PM |
#187 |
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SF is banning them currently |
Taverner |
May-19-11 04:08 PM |
#188 |
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The ordinance does not take affect until December. So no, there is currently no way |
Luminous Animal |
May-19-11 04:52 PM |
#191 |
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