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38. Few screamed when Joe Camel advertising was curtailed. No one cares
that cigarettes aren't sold to children. Lead removal has been a good thing. Better to have a lead free home than to have to constantly watch your children and castigate them when they start chewing on the paint chips.
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  -Fast-food industry is quietly defeating Happy Meal bans The Straight Story  May-18-11 11:49 AM   #0 
  - "Somebody was working the committee"  DontTreadOnMe   May-18-11 11:51 AM   #1 
  - Yes, this lover of and lobbiest for McDonald's...  GodlessBiker   May-18-11 12:06 PM   #2 
  - Glad to hear it...  Cid_B   May-18-11 12:07 PM   #3 
  - Why?  Occulus   May-18-11 12:17 PM   #4 
  - Yep. And pits parents against their children.  Luminous Animal   May-18-11 12:30 PM   #9 
  - Oooh...tough battle.  Atman   May-18-11 12:34 PM   #12 
  - Myself, I prefered a positive relationship with my child and whatever  Luminous Animal   May-18-11 12:40 PM   #17 
  - Hope they get used to hearing no. no. no.  joeglow3   May-18-11 12:44 PM   #21 
  - Exactly.  Codeine   May-18-11 12:54 PM   #26 
  - Growing up, I rarely heard no. There simply was not that much temptation.  Luminous Animal   May-18-11 01:48 PM   #36 
     - We will have to agree to disagree  joeglow3   May-18-11 02:43 PM   #42 
     - Improving the conditions of a child's life on the side of the affirmative does not negate  Luminous Animal   May-18-11 04:00 PM   #43 
        - That is premised on you telling why/how you "improve" the conditions  joeglow3   May-18-11 05:34 PM   #48 
           - Deleted posted in the wrong place.  Luminous Animal   May-18-11 05:58 PM   #50 
     - you live in a fantasy world  MikeW   May-18-11 05:38 PM   #49 
     - This girl lives a "magical life" also" (I mean literally)....  -..__...   May-18-11 11:00 PM   #74 
        - This is about advertising directed towards children. Not the food. What part of that do you not  Luminous Animal   May-18-11 11:14 PM   #78 
           - No...  -..__...   May-18-11 11:26 PM   #79 
           - Many people (most of the western world, in fact) believe that a billions of $$$ corporation has no  Luminous Animal   May-19-11 12:21 AM   #80 
           - I imagine that were yours the only relevant point...  LanternWaste   May-19-11 03:41 PM   #177 
           - people are faced with advertising and it is important to learn to deal with it and  ejpoeta   May-19-11 10:12 AM   #106 
           - People are exposed to a lot of things that are not appropriate for children.  Luminous Animal   May-19-11 10:27 AM   #111 
           - so advertising is the same as sex? wtf is wrong with people!!  ejpoeta   May-19-11 10:29 AM   #113 
              - Advertising that targets children who cannot distinguish between fantasy  Luminous Animal   May-19-11 10:40 AM   #117 
           - +1  Atman   May-19-11 10:28 AM   #112 
           - I understand it  Dorian Gray   May-19-11 08:19 PM   #205 
              - +1  Atman   May-20-11 08:50 AM   #208 
  - A positive relationship doesn't mean saying YES whenever they want something.  Atman   May-18-11 12:46 PM   #22 
  - I never said or advised anyone to say yes to anything a child wants. I advise  Luminous Animal   May-18-11 01:52 PM   #37 
     - "I WANT A HAPPY MEAL!"  Atman   May-18-11 02:26 PM   #40 
        - spit take.  Dorian Gray   May-19-11 08:22 PM   #206 
  - And it is the job of everyone else...  Cid_B   May-18-11 12:49 PM   #23 
  - Few screamed when Joe Camel advertising was curtailed. No one cares  Luminous Animal   May-18-11 01:55 PM   #38 
  - Wow.  Codeine   May-18-11 12:53 PM   #25 
  - She does live in the real world. She is 21 now and she is one of the most positive and  Luminous Animal   May-18-11 01:44 PM   #35 
  - When she never grows up and moves out, we'll know why. n/t  Zywiec   May-19-11 11:12 AM   #127 
  - Grown up. Moved out. Traveling around Europe by herself this summer. NEXT!  Luminous Animal   May-19-11 11:35 AM   #133 
     - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   May-19-11 12:26 PM   #137 
  - Self-Delete  Marengo   May-19-11 06:17 PM   #202 
  - +1000. I'm troubled by this latest generation of parents' inability to say NO!  ecstatic   May-18-11 12:43 PM   #20 
  - We have this wonderful world of "corporate rights"  MattBaggins   May-19-11 09:32 AM   #94 
     - They, in fact, do have that right.  Atman   May-19-11 10:22 AM   #109 
        - So tobacco companies have the right to advertise to children. How about pornographers?  Luminous Animal   May-19-11 10:33 AM   #116 
           - Tobacco companies cannot advertise to children. There is a LAW about that.  Atman   May-19-11 10:50 AM   #120 
              - Yes. And parents nationwide are starting to demand that their be a law against  Luminous Animal   May-19-11 10:55 AM   #121 
  - I imagine were it simply a "freakin' lunch choice"...  LanternWaste   May-19-11 03:40 PM   #175 
  - What doesn't do that?  The2ndWheel   May-18-11 12:36 PM   #15 
  - You are telling me that your relationship with your children is oppositional rather  Luminous Animal   May-18-11 12:41 PM   #19 
     - Bound to be some friction in the relationship between parent and child  The2ndWheel   May-18-11 12:54 PM   #27 
  - I remember the last time this came up...  Cid_B   May-18-11 12:41 PM   #18 
  - whatever...god people are stupid and have to much time on their hands  snooper2   May-18-11 02:27 PM   #41 
  - I tend to agree.  Atman   May-18-11 12:25 PM   #5 
  - Exactly.  HappyMe   May-18-11 12:30 PM   #8 
  - Mcdonalds is the easy target imo  Mosby   May-18-11 01:26 PM   #34 
  - Agree. What's the harm if a parent wants to get their child a happy meal once or twice a month as  KatieW   May-18-11 12:36 PM   #14 
  - Agreed. Don't like Happy Meals? Then don't buy them.  Kievan Rus   May-18-11 06:04 PM   #52 
  - The issue is not an adults free choice but the privelege afforded to McDonalds  Luminous Animal   May-18-11 06:09 PM   #54 
     - All a parent has to say is "No"  Kievan Rus   May-18-11 07:38 PM   #57 
     - Again, this is not about parents. This is about advertising directed at children.  Luminous Animal   May-18-11 08:35 PM   #61 
     - And as a parent, you explain to your child that the advertising is bullshit.  Atman   May-19-11 08:55 AM   #84 
        - And I could try to explain meta-physics to my 5 year old  MattBaggins   May-19-11 09:06 AM   #86 
           - Fail. Advertising is NOT metaphysics. Even if you add a hyphen.  Atman   May-19-11 10:15 AM   #107 
     - Aw but then the kid might not think you're cool  WatsonT   May-19-11 02:37 PM   #152 
     - "Children from age 0-5 do not have the capacity . . .  WatsonT   May-19-11 02:36 PM   #150 
     - We don't give them money to buy cigarettes or access porn, either.  Luminous Animal   May-19-11 03:18 PM   #162 
        - Porn seems silly  WatsonT   May-19-11 03:22 PM   #164 
        - Big Mac. Sounds horny.  Atman   May-19-11 03:28 PM   #168 
        - Again, the armchair diagnosis. Too bad you can't help but take personal swipes.  Luminous Animal   May-19-11 03:37 PM   #172 
           - Nothing personal about it.  Atman   May-19-11 03:39 PM   #174 
              - Accusing me of being paranoid is a personal observation. Deal.  Luminous Animal   May-19-11 03:42 PM   #179 
        - Don't worry, she's got your back:  WatsonT   May-19-11 05:26 PM   #197 
     - Saying no to your child is hardly an "oppositional relationship."  Starbucks Anarchist   May-19-11 05:41 PM   #200 
     - Children between the ages of 0-5 also do not have  Dorian Gray   May-19-11 08:25 PM   #207 
  - Me too!  Egnever   May-18-11 07:39 PM   #58 
  - Some people think legislating taste is their job  Taverner   May-19-11 04:09 PM   #189 
     - This has nothing to do with taste. It is an effort to curb predatory advertising directed  Luminous Animal   May-19-11 04:53 PM   #192 
        - Seriously? Every kind of advertisment could be called "predatory"  Taverner   May-19-11 05:54 PM   #201 
           - I never claimed that McDonalds is an evil empire. People do seem to want to  Luminous Animal   May-19-11 06:39 PM   #203 
  - Good.  HappyMe   May-18-11 12:27 PM   #6 
  - Same with a bar and smoking  The Straight Story   May-18-11 12:30 PM   #7 
     - No, it's not the same at all.  Atman   May-18-11 12:32 PM   #10 
     - yup.  HappyMe   May-18-11 12:35 PM   #13 
  - I buy the kid's meal at fast food places quite often  tammywammy   May-18-11 12:34 PM   #11 
  - more generally,  Bill McBlueState   May-18-11 12:37 PM   #16 
  - A happy meal is not unhealthy  Mosby   May-18-11 12:51 PM   #24 
  - According to Consumer Reports, a McD's hamburger is a healthy choice.  Atman   May-18-11 12:56 PM   #29 
  - And where I am  laundry_queen   May-19-11 09:35 AM   #95 
  - It sets the course for a diet laden with sugar, salt & grease, that's why.  Shagbark Hickory   May-18-11 12:57 PM   #30 
     - If only there were some recognized authority figure  WatsonT   May-18-11 10:28 PM   #71 
     - +1  kiva   May-18-11 11:08 PM   #75 
     - And these authority figures are petitioning their elected representatives  Luminous Animal   May-18-11 11:12 PM   #77 
     - +!, in lieu of serious regulation of junk fooderies, this is the least they can do and like you said  Shagbark Hickory   May-19-11 07:48 AM   #81 
     - So these hypothetical authority figures are announcing that they lack the ability  WatsonT   May-19-11 08:16 AM   #83 
     - Could you address the issue that McD's is intentionally  MattBaggins   May-19-11 09:10 AM   #87 
        - Against their wishes? It's called "advertising."  Atman   May-19-11 10:26 AM   #110 
        - So cigarette companies should be allowed to use cartton characters  MattBaggins   May-19-11 10:30 AM   #114 
        - In every country I've visted, "SMOKING WILL KILL YOU" is the biggest type on the carton  Atman   May-19-11 10:41 AM   #118 
        - You didn't answer the question. Should tobacco companies be allowed to advertise to children  Luminous Animal   May-19-11 10:49 AM   #119 
        - Well obviously advertisers should always have to get their audience to sign a release form  WatsonT   May-19-11 02:32 PM   #146 
        - They are trying to make a buck to the detriment of 1) the parent/ child relationship...  Luminous Animal   May-19-11 10:31 AM   #115 
        - Isn't everyone targeted by advertisers, every day?  WatsonT   May-19-11 02:30 PM   #144 
           - Kids 5 and younger do not have the cognitive development to distiguish between  Luminous Animal   May-19-11 02:42 PM   #154 
              - You're right, as such we should not allow children to drive  WatsonT   May-19-11 02:50 PM   #157 
                 - Too worthless to respond. When you develop an argument for the benefits of  Luminous Animal   May-19-11 03:22 PM   #163 
                    - Well it ticks you off, so that's one  WatsonT   May-19-11 07:16 PM   #204 
     - what, 10 of them?  snooper2   May-20-11 12:01 PM   #210 
     - It's like Lord of the Flies, I tell ya.  Starbucks Anarchist   May-19-11 05:28 PM   #198 
     - parents set the course for a kids diet, not a fucking company  snooper2   May-20-11 12:00 PM   #209 
  - Something tells me they won't get away with this in Vermont.  Shagbark Hickory   May-18-11 12:55 PM   #28 
  - Just cheese and maple syrup!  Atman   May-18-11 12:57 PM   #31 
     - Maple syrup is OK. Corn syrup is not.  Shagbark Hickory   May-18-11 01:01 PM   #33 
  - Good on business to finally fight back against the nanny state.  ileus   May-18-11 12:58 PM   #32 
  - So it was good that the lead industry was able to buy off legislatures for decades  Luminous Animal   May-18-11 01:59 PM   #39 
     - Wow! Your analogy is so far out of alignment.  ItNerd4life   May-18-11 04:43 PM   #44 
        - So true. I'm more concerned about them using Silly Putty to make McNuggets. nt  Modern_Matthew   May-18-11 04:51 PM   #46 
        - The lead industry was unrelenting in using children in advertising and targeting  Luminous Animal   May-18-11 05:02 PM   #47 
           - Once again, McDonald's food is NOT TOXIC to children.  Atman   May-19-11 11:08 AM   #125 
              - Just as I would not allow the religious fundy (not toxic) down the street to prosletize to my child,  Luminous Animal   May-19-11 11:32 AM   #130 
  - One issue I just can't muster up enough fuck about. Sorry. nt  Modern_Matthew   May-18-11 04:47 PM   #45 
  - They are defecating Happy Meals?  jberryhill   May-18-11 05:59 PM   #51 
  - This is good news. Freedom of choice and parental responsibility instead of a nanny state.  Kievan Rus   May-18-11 06:04 PM   #53 
  - Yep. Just like lead paint. Why can't we be free to paint our cribs with lead paint anymore?  Luminous Animal   May-18-11 06:11 PM   #55 
  - Kind of a stretch  joeglow3   May-18-11 07:26 PM   #56 
  - When did we decide that there's no such thing as parental responsibility or freedom of choice?  Kievan Rus   May-18-11 07:51 PM   #60 
  - You continue to argue with yourself. This is not about the food, it is about the advertising.  Luminous Animal   May-18-11 08:42 PM   #62 
  - And all a parent has to say to a child is "no"  Kievan Rus   May-18-11 08:59 PM   #64 
  - It's not about the eating at the restaurnat. It is about advertising to children.  Luminous Animal   May-18-11 09:24 PM   #66 
  - This is parents doing this  MattBaggins   May-19-11 09:20 AM   #90 
  - Thankfully  Aerows   May-19-11 09:40 AM   #97 
  - Don't try to undermine parents by targetting their kids directly  MattBaggins   May-19-11 09:18 AM   #89 
     - Then turn off your television and don't every take your kids out of the house.  Atman   May-19-11 10:59 AM   #122 
        - Presumably, banning advertising Happy Meals to children would cross all mediums.  Luminous Animal   May-19-11 11:03 AM   #123 
           - Don't fear your children. Nurture them. Educate them.  Atman   May-19-11 11:11 AM   #126 
              - We are the government and if we recognize the detrimental effect that a  Luminous Animal   May-19-11 11:28 AM   #129 
              - "Don't fear your children." ???? You have now wandered off into lala land.  Luminous Animal   May-19-11 11:33 AM   #132 
              - Exactly  Aerows   May-19-11 02:55 PM   #158 
                 - I don't understand what part of strong parents forming a coalition to demand that  Luminous Animal   May-19-11 03:32 PM   #170 
                    - Well, that's obvious.  Atman   May-19-11 03:37 PM   #173 
  - Lead paint is dangerous in itself. Toys are not  WatsonT   May-18-11 10:30 PM   #72 
     - They are fighting an advertising gimmick engineered to get children hooked on an unheathy product.  Luminous Animal   May-18-11 11:10 PM   #76 
        - Hooked?  WatsonT   May-19-11 08:15 AM   #82 
           - Yes. Hooked. Haven't you noticed the car advertising targeting children these days?  Luminous Animal   May-19-11 11:06 AM   #124 
              - Advertisers didn't use to target kids for such things  WatsonT   May-19-11 02:33 PM   #147 
              - You've got proof of that?  Luminous Animal   May-19-11 03:11 PM   #160 
                 - Proof that they didn't used to do this?  WatsonT   May-19-11 05:13 PM   #195 
              - In other words: if you can be out-argued by a 3 year old you probably shouldn't reproduce  WatsonT   May-19-11 02:35 PM   #149 
  - Fredom of choice and parental responsibility  MattBaggins   May-19-11 09:15 AM   #88 
     - If McD's is, then so is General Mills, Mrs. Butterworth, Nickelodeon, etc, etc.  Atman   May-19-11 11:27 AM   #128 
        - Precisely. McDonald's is the battle, the rest of children's advertising is the war.  Luminous Animal   May-19-11 11:36 AM   #134 
  - Good  Philippine expat   May-18-11 07:39 PM   #59 
  - This makes no sense, every one is going to take feed their children fast food from time to time  RB TexLa   May-18-11 08:51 PM   #63 
  - Most kids are pretty savvy.  Ikonoklast   May-18-11 09:13 PM   #65 
  - Again. It is not about the parents, it is about advertising an unhealthy product to children.  Luminous Animal   May-18-11 09:26 PM   #67 
  - DU applauding corporations buying/influencing our politicians.  flvegan   May-18-11 09:38 PM   #68 
  - Pretty amazing.  Luminous Animal   May-18-11 10:00 PM   #69 
  - It looks to me like DU  Aerows   May-19-11 09:44 AM   #99 
     - Do you believe that if every single parent turned off their TV, that McDonald's would  Luminous Animal   May-19-11 09:54 AM   #103 
        - No, but I believe that if you personally turned off the TV  Aerows   May-19-11 12:48 PM   #138 
           - Not the point. Turning off the TV will no stop McDonald's from targeting children.  Luminous Animal   May-19-11 12:53 PM   #139 
              - That is *exactly* the point  Aerows   May-19-11 01:39 PM   #140 
                 - I don't live in an imaginary world where McDonald's only advertises on TV, so there is no use  Luminous Animal   May-19-11 01:55 PM   #141 
                    - I suppose entering the fray  Aerows   May-19-11 02:19 PM   #142 
                    - I really do not know how I can make this clearer. TV is not the only media market that targets  Luminous Animal   May-19-11 02:31 PM   #145 
                       - Understood  Aerows   May-19-11 02:40 PM   #153 
                          - How do children see advertising without a TV? Try school.  Luminous Animal   May-19-11 03:26 PM   #166 
                    - Actually, you do seem to live in an imaginary world.  Atman   May-19-11 02:23 PM   #143 
                    - Hmm... so that's what I think, eh? Any other insights into what I "seem to think?"  Luminous Animal   May-19-11 02:34 PM   #148 
                       - Why? I don't need "some people say." You're saying it all yourself.  Atman   May-19-11 02:37 PM   #151 
                          - Actually, no I haven't and I'm through responding to your personal observations.  Luminous Animal   May-19-11 02:46 PM   #156 
                             - You are wrong.  Atman   May-19-11 03:08 PM   #159 
                                - #1) This is not just about you (or me) #2) This is not about advertising targeting adults  Luminous Animal   May-19-11 03:17 PM   #161 
                                   - So what about products that are targeted towards children?  Atman   May-19-11 03:23 PM   #165 
                                      - How are producers supposed to build their markets? Let them figure out how to do  Luminous Animal   May-19-11 03:30 PM   #169 
                                         - "Preying on children?"  Atman   May-19-11 03:42 PM   #178 
                                            - "ALL ADVERTISING IS PREDATORY." Direct quote from you.  Luminous Animal   May-19-11 03:45 PM   #181 
                                               - Thanks for the definition. It changes nothing.  Atman   May-19-11 03:50 PM   #183 
                    - So do you cook?  Aerows   May-19-11 02:46 PM   #155 
                       - Do you really need to know?  Luminous Animal   May-19-11 03:27 PM   #167 
                          - ALL ADVERTISING IS PREDATORY.  Atman   May-19-11 03:36 PM   #171 
                             - AND CHILDREN ARE UNABLE TO COGNITIVELY PROCESS THE ADVERTISING DIRECTED AT THEM.  Luminous Animal   May-19-11 03:40 PM   #176 
                                - No, but you have the skills to be a good parent.  Atman   May-19-11 03:43 PM   #180 
                                   - Again, this is not about any individuals personal choices. This is about regulating  Luminous Animal   May-19-11 03:48 PM   #182 
                                      - It is totally about personal choices.  Atman   May-19-11 03:53 PM   #184 
                                         - So now you are going to claim that advertising is NOT manipulative?  Luminous Animal   May-19-11 03:57 PM   #185 
                                            - I grow so weary.  Atman   May-19-11 04:10 PM   #190 
                                               - That is all you have left. Outright lying about what I think. I got it.  Luminous Animal   May-19-11 04:54 PM   #193 
                                                  - How the hell can I "lie" about what you think?  Atman   May-19-11 05:09 PM   #194 
                                                     - "You think parents are too stupid to raise their own kids." I never said that and I don't think it.  Luminous Animal   May-19-11 05:16 PM   #196 
                                                     - do you even have kids?  snooper2   May-20-11 12:04 PM   #211 
  - Yippee! McDonald's can continue to mindfuck our kids! Whoopee!  KittyWampus   May-18-11 10:25 PM   #70 
  - "Mommy.. why can't I get a Happy Meal Toy"?  -..__...   May-18-11 10:43 PM   #73 
  - Mommy why do I have Diabetes and heart disease at 15  MattBaggins   May-19-11 09:25 AM   #91 
     - Mommy, how can the TV undermine your authority?  Starbucks Anarchist   May-19-11 05:38 PM   #199 
  - Good  NeedleCast   May-19-11 09:00 AM   #85 
  - No offense, but aren't there more important things to worry about?  Aerows   May-19-11 09:25 AM   #92 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   May-19-11 09:25 AM   #93 
  - "a measure he says will steer children to healthier options and help them avoid his fate."  MattBaggins   May-19-11 09:38 AM   #96 
  - Happy Meals will help steer kids to healthier options & we're supposed to listen to him?  KittyWampus   May-19-11 09:40 AM   #98 
  - Don't you know, Kitty, we are all supposed to live the Grover Norquist model of self-govt.  Luminous Animal   May-19-11 09:48 AM   #101 
  - Why are you attacking me?  MattBaggins   May-19-11 10:11 AM   #104 
     - I think Kitty either misread your post or responded to the wrong person.  Luminous Animal   May-19-11 10:18 AM   #108 
  - So, he is fat because he is eating too many happy meals?  Freddie Stubbs   May-19-11 09:46 AM   #100 
     - Woooosh  MattBaggins   May-19-11 10:12 AM   #105 
  - No kidding n/t  Aerows   May-19-11 09:51 AM   #102 
  - Introducing the San Francisco Happy Meal  KamaAina   May-19-11 11:33 AM   #131 
  - Nope. San Francisco is still considering a ban just like (as pointed out in the OP)  Luminous Animal   May-19-11 11:38 AM   #135 
     - My mom, who carried me on her shoulders to a McGovern rally in '72, also makes such jabs  KamaAina   May-19-11 11:56 AM   #136 
  - Good. Those bans were stupid and counter-productive  Taverner   May-19-11 04:01 PM   #186 
     - And, pray tell, just where were those bans put in place so that we could assess  Luminous Animal   May-19-11 04:04 PM   #187 
        - SF is banning them currently  Taverner   May-19-11 04:08 PM   #188 
           - The ordinance does not take affect until December. So no, there is currently no way  Luminous Animal   May-19-11 04:52 PM   #191 
 

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