Reply #269: I think you are oversimplifying the transition. It's not going to happen all at once.

[patrice]

You don't have enough numbers to make that happen. The result will be that you are going to warehouse more elderly than I am. That's the difference; that and stuff like at least a couple of generations of even poorer education than we currently have, further environmental losses because you don't have the power to protect Earth. ALL consequences will be worse in the decades of chaos you are saying will be worth it.

You are selling pie-in-the-sky about how precisely this change you want is to come about. There will be no switch thrown and Congress/the President/the Courts will be for Economic Justice. Throwing away Social Security & Medicare, not to mention Education, will result in decades of further depleting struggle.

Perhaps you'll pardon my skepticism about people who are so cavalier about the suffering of OTHERS. Not to factor that in is either a lie or it's just pure naivete, or outright evil.

Don't get me wrong. I want to be free of our slavery to Wall Street/Transnational Corporations/MIC too. I just think there is a more effective way to go about it, that will hurt fewer people, waste less of America, and take less time. This approach will USE Obama and anyone else in the current system for all that they are worth for our own goals, not theirs. I think your thinking is too top down, which is the problem to begin with. This can be done from the inside and from the grassroots up, which is where the only real change comes from.

Since you don't believe in voting "for Wall Street", why don't you do something truly more effective and start a co-operative community that functions according to the principles of Economic Justice?