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Duer 157099 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-14-11 03:15 PM
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38. Maybe they're speaking in the ontological sense
Since mitochondria once were stand-alone organisms that hitched a ride with some other organisms to eventually evolve into a symbiote.

But I doubt the writer actually knows this.
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  -Scientists cure cancer, but no one takes notice peoli  May-14-11 11:47 AM   #0 
  - No link to a scientific study in that article. I don't think this is credible.  Zoeisright   May-14-11 11:51 AM   #1 
  - Hope does not need peer reviews or scientific studies  DainBramaged   May-14-11 11:53 AM   #6 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   May-14-11 07:06 PM   #58 
  - Published in the journal Cancer Cell. Here is a link.  eomer   May-14-11 12:24 PM   #15 
  - Thank you.  Octafish   May-14-11 03:40 PM   #42 
  - DCA a cure for cancer?  robmx   May-16-11 12:42 AM   #144 
     - DCA a cure for cancer?  robmx   May-16-11 01:05 AM   #145 
  - In light of the research completed, the title of this thread is a tad overstated.  Buzz Clik   May-15-11 08:38 AM   #106 
  - Published 4 years ago. Here is status from 1 year ago.  eomer   May-15-11 11:31 AM   #128 
     - Thanks-- and interesting albeit short read. The door doesn't appear to have been closed  Malikshah   May-15-11 02:39 PM   #138 
  - It's in wikipedia already. It names doctors and identifies a few caveats.  tclambert   May-14-11 03:51 PM   #43 
  - I'm sorry but this doesn't pass the sniff test.  toddwv   May-15-11 12:12 AM   #84 
  - I wish you were correct.  dotymed   May-15-11 07:38 AM   #99 
     - If cancer is the most lucrative business, then diabletes  TheDebbieDee   May-15-11 11:59 AM   #133 
  - you may have seen this already  Tunkamerica   May-15-11 12:28 AM   #85 
  - It does link to an article at the University of Alberta website.  drm604   May-15-11 09:32 AM   #112 
  - Everyone should kick this today.  The Backlash Cometh   May-14-11 11:51 AM   #2 
  - Though I'm skeptical, count me in for a kick!  Poll_Blind   May-14-11 11:55 AM   #10 
  - Punt!  L0oniX   May-14-11 07:33 PM   #66 
  - There is no one illness called "cancer." This article is BS. (nt)  Posteritatis   May-14-11 11:52 AM   #3 
  - Also, Mitochondria are *part" of the cell, not a type of cell  quakerboy   May-14-11 09:55 PM   #78 
     - The quoted bit is somewhat confusing as well.  AtheistCrusader   May-15-11 02:32 AM   #91 
     - And the cell needs the mitochondria to function (read: whole body to function)  AllyCat   May-15-11 08:41 AM   #109 
        - If I'm understanding the article correctly that's not really true of at least some cancer cells.  drm604   May-15-11 09:41 AM   #113 
  - They won't cure cancer. There's no money in it.  YellowRubberDuckie   May-14-11 11:52 AM   #4 
  - And "they" also control nationalized health care systems in other countries?  jberryhill   May-14-11 01:00 PM   #25 
  - They'll just shut it up for as long as they can in this country.  YellowRubberDuckie   May-14-11 02:27 PM   #32 
     - I see, and we have no way of knowing what is going on in other countries, right?  jberryhill   May-14-11 02:33 PM   #34 
     - I am being bitter and illogical...  YellowRubberDuckie   May-14-11 07:04 PM   #57 
        - Sorry, but I'm obsessive  jberryhill   May-14-11 10:16 PM   #79 
           - +1 well said. n/t  Maru Kitteh   May-15-11 03:03 AM   #93 
           - +1! n/t  Silent3   May-15-11 07:51 AM   #100 
           - You can understand that I am bitter and irrational for a reason, right?  YellowRubberDuckie   May-15-11 08:16 AM   #103 
              - I can understand that many people read and believe things posted online  jberryhill   May-15-11 10:43 AM   #122 
                 - I was speaking about the one doctor we dealt with.  YellowRubberDuckie   May-15-11 12:53 PM   #134 
     - You are correct that some ONCs are money grubbing whores  Patiod   May-14-11 07:16 PM   #63 
     - A fellow named Royal Raymond Rife cured some cases of --  emcguffie   May-14-11 07:26 PM   #65 
        - copy & paste it, paragraph by paragraph if need be in a pm to me  StarsInHerHair   May-14-11 11:03 PM   #83 
           - Okay. I'll do that.  emcguffie   May-15-11 10:55 AM   #126 
           - Better yet, here's a link.  emcguffie   May-15-11 10:59 AM   #127 
  - Nonsense  Patiod   May-14-11 07:08 PM   #60 
  - I'm being bitter and irrational.  YellowRubberDuckie   May-14-11 07:09 PM   #61 
  - If you post irrational crap, expect to be called on it. Get used to it.  Maru Kitteh   May-15-11 03:09 AM   #94 
     - I was expecting SOMEONE to get that I wasn't entirely serious...  YellowRubberDuckie   May-15-11 08:17 AM   #105 
        - Your posts bear no discernible difference from the sad comments of desperate  Maru Kitteh   May-15-11 03:30 PM   #139 
           - I guess I kinda don't...  YellowRubberDuckie   May-15-11 08:44 PM   #143 
              - as you are apparently without the basic tools to enjoy meaningful gain from this exchange  Maru Kitteh   May-16-11 10:35 AM   #149 
  - When I apply your comment to BP or TEPCO, I start laughing uncontrollably  Occulus   May-15-11 02:36 AM   #92 
  - Here's the difference between BP and Big Pharma  Patiod   May-15-11 09:43 AM   #114 
  - ...and those peddling miracle cures are deeply ethical, of course  jberryhill   May-15-11 10:48 AM   #124 
  - Actions of the pharmaceutical  Enthusiast   May-15-11 09:19 AM   #111 
     - Yes they do. But they are NOT sitting on cures.  Patiod   May-16-11 10:00 AM   #147 
  - there is for the canadian govt... since they have single payer govt run health care  BREMPRO   May-14-11 10:31 PM   #80 
     - The Flaw in Your Assumption  CTPatriot   May-15-11 06:09 AM   #98 
        - What appropriate treatment are Canadians not receiving that you think we should be?  polly7   May-15-11 08:17 AM   #104 
        - you'll probably never get an answer to that question.  fascisthunter   May-15-11 10:31 AM   #119 
           - I agree with you, because the post I replied to was complete bull*. Hit and runner. n/t.  polly7   May-15-11 11:36 AM   #130 
        - Lol...  jberryhill   May-15-11 11:33 AM   #129 
  - First off...  nebenaube   May-14-11 11:53 AM   #5 
  - That jumped out at me too. Mitochondria are not cells.  ThomCat   May-14-11 07:59 PM   #67 
  - Pharmaceutical companies can't make money off this procedure ...  spin   May-14-11 11:53 AM   #7 
  - Interesting BUT  elfin   May-14-11 12:26 PM   #16 
  - Fortunately I don't have cancer, but I know a woman whose medication  spin   May-14-11 12:34 PM   #18 
  - same reason my fiance moved to a canadian hospital from the US for her treatment  themadstork   May-14-11 04:19 PM   #49 
  - Here is a wiki page with many links  tabatha   May-14-11 11:54 AM   #8 
  - The article is from 2007 (nt)  iamtechus   May-14-11 12:21 PM   #14 
  - Oh no! Not a cure for Cancer! How will the  Roadie70   May-14-11 11:55 AM   #9 
  - EVERYTHING you need to know about DCA here  DainBramaged   May-14-11 11:57 AM   #11 
  - No time to go into detail.....  FredStembottom   May-14-11 11:58 AM   #12 
  - Yep. Not that that'll stop people from reacting to it like it isn't BS. (nt)  Posteritatis   May-14-11 12:19 PM   #13 
     - And was I ever depressingly right. Ugh. (nt)  Posteritatis   May-14-11 04:08 PM   #45 
  - From the people who do research:  mucifer   May-14-11 12:27 PM   #17 
  - +1000...the "they don't want to cure cancer" is the one of the most offensive conspiracy theories  alcibiades_mystery   May-14-11 07:09 PM   #62 
  - What is true is that drug companies won't be doing  jbnow   May-14-11 09:37 PM   #74 
  - I have so much respect for my oncology nurses.  cmd   May-15-11 08:10 AM   #101 
  - Deserved  tpsbmam   May-15-11 02:16 PM   #135 
  - Thanks for the dose of sanity from a professional  Patiod   May-15-11 10:21 AM   #118 
  - The article is so grossly inaccurate and poorly written, it was hard to get by that to begin with  tpsbmam   May-15-11 06:51 PM   #140 
  - In vitro toxicity to cancer cells does not equate to a cure for cancer.  kestrel91316   May-14-11 12:44 PM   #19 
  - Exactly. The body is so much more complicated than cells in a test tube.  Zoeisright   May-14-11 02:34 PM   #35 
  - I thought DCA was toxic?  Rosa Luxemburg   May-14-11 12:45 PM   #20 
  - EVERY cell is a "mitochondria cell...."  mike_c   May-14-11 12:51 PM   #21 
  - And what about the mitochondria that don't function properly thereby causing mito disorders  NotThisTime   May-14-11 02:24 PM   #31 
  - what about them?  mike_c   May-14-11 04:10 PM   #47 
  - yep, thank you for posting that  MH1   May-14-11 04:29 PM   #51 
  - Or every human cell has a mitochondrial cell within it.  sofa king   May-15-11 08:16 AM   #102 
  - If it sounds too good to be true , , , ,  Kceres   May-14-11 12:51 PM   #22 
  - Seems too good to be true, but I hope it is true. nt  ZombieHorde   May-14-11 12:53 PM   #23 
  - Unrec for misinformation, possibility of human harm  Yo_Mama   May-14-11 12:55 PM   #24 
  - K&R.  Overseas   May-14-11 01:02 PM   #26 
  - Pharmaceutical companies would kibosh it faster than X-On-us would  orpupilofnature57   May-14-11 01:02 PM   #27 
  - No they wouldn't - not a parallel  Patiod   May-15-11 10:35 AM   #121 
     - Pharmaceutical nor Exxon " employees" don't have anymore control  orpupilofnature57   May-15-11 08:25 PM   #142 
        - the employees make the discoveries - they'd keep quiet?  Patiod   May-16-11 09:52 AM   #146 
  - mitochondria are organelles within cells, not cells. glycolysis = conversion of glucose  Hannah Bell   May-14-11 01:09 PM   #28 
  - Maybe they're speaking in the ontological sense  Duer 157099   May-14-11 03:15 PM   #38 
     - i doubt it too. there is a factual basis behind the article, but the article was  Hannah Bell   May-14-11 03:57 PM   #44 
  - Maybe they cured someone born in late July-early August of pneumonia  Keith Bee   May-14-11 01:09 PM   #29 
  - i found the direct article from the university from 2007 that your link is referring to in your OP  MrsBrady   May-14-11 01:36 PM   #30 
  - the article does not say it is a simple solution to cure all cancers  mucifer   May-14-11 02:29 PM   #33 
     - i didn't post any opinion, simply the original article n/t  MrsBrady   May-14-11 04:26 PM   #50 
        - Sorry, I'm just a bit sensitive on this issue. nt  mucifer   May-14-11 04:41 PM   #52 
  - HUGE K & R !!!  WillyT   May-14-11 02:36 PM   #36 
  - W H Y ???  Maru Kitteh   May-15-11 03:12 AM   #95 
  - If they found this in Canada then they can use their national health system to do studies  diane in sf   May-14-11 03:10 PM   #37 
  - :runs out to stock up on DCA before they make it illegal: n/t  Duer 157099   May-14-11 03:18 PM   #39 
  - None of the links I could trace gave the names of the researchers...  SidDithers   May-14-11 03:28 PM   #40 
  - Bookmarking for later  TheUnspeakable   May-14-11 03:37 PM   #41 
  - Whenever you see a post about any biomedical finding  Duer 157099   May-14-11 04:09 PM   #46 
  - Yup I agree. I really love nih.gov and if you look up med info  mucifer   May-14-11 09:12 PM   #73 
  - This seems wildly inaccurate  WatsonT   May-14-11 04:11 PM   #48 
  - amazing if true  Liberal_in_LA   May-14-11 04:42 PM   #53 
  - The mitochondria line makes me call bullshit.  ElboRuum   May-14-11 04:51 PM   #54 
  - Kick  Little Star   May-14-11 05:22 PM   #55 
  - Material Safety Data Sheet (MSDS) for Sodium Dichloroacetate ...  eppur_se_muova   May-14-11 05:55 PM   #56 
  - A much better discovery then the perpetual motion machine  Riftaxe   May-14-11 07:07 PM   #59 
  - Bogus alert--This is NO WAY a cancer cure. Not even that promising.  mistertrickster   May-14-11 07:21 PM   #64 
  - so socialized medicine country found the cure  lovuian   May-14-11 08:04 PM   #68 
  - No.  Zoeisright   May-14-11 10:50 PM   #82 
  - True or not, I would try this if I was diagnosed with cancer.  Curmudgeoness   May-14-11 08:17 PM   #69 
  - I'm with you.  Auntie Bush   May-14-11 08:27 PM   #71 
  - Not a cancer cure, but under investigation as a treatment for glioblastoma  andym   May-14-11 08:24 PM   #70 
  - K & R  HCE SuiGeneris   May-14-11 08:47 PM   #72 
  - K&R  liberalla   May-14-11 09:50 PM   #75 
  - I wish we could get some concrete confirmation of this.  OwnedByFerrets   May-14-11 09:54 PM   #76 
  - NOT a cure!!!  Courtesy Flush   May-14-11 09:54 PM   #77 
  - I was researching dichloroacetate a few months ago.  Boudica the Lyoness   May-14-11 10:42 PM   #81 
  - Mitochondria are not 'human cells.'  caseymoz   May-15-11 12:43 AM   #86 
  - K&R n/t  DeSwiss   May-15-11 01:04 AM   #87 
  - The mitochondria is not a cell, and it does not fight cancer.  Crunchy Frog   May-15-11 01:20 AM   #88 
  - Unrec for scientific illiteracy.  Crunchy Frog   May-15-11 01:26 AM   #89 
  - Corporate Drug companies will never allow a cure for cancer in America  farmboxer   May-15-11 02:09 AM   #90 
  - Even for their own families?  Patiod   May-15-11 10:43 AM   #123 
  - this is amazing... and I'm not suprised it is getting no coverage.  dorksied   May-15-11 03:54 AM   #96 
  - K & R  dipsydoodle   May-15-11 04:23 AM   #97 
  - Not Sure it's Exactly True...  whatacountry09   May-15-11 08:39 AM   #107 
  - this story sounds so familiar...  leeroysphitz   May-15-11 08:39 AM   #108 
  - Sounds to me  Enthusiast   May-15-11 09:11 AM   #110 
  - That links to an article from 2007.  drm604   May-15-11 09:55 AM   #115 
  - Link to NewScientist article from 2007 about this anti-cancer drug and DU discussion here.  seafan   May-15-11 10:10 AM   #116 
  - I can't believe this bullshit has over 100 recs  EvolveOrConvolve   May-15-11 10:13 AM   #117 
  - I'm completely unsurprised, honestly  Posteritatis   May-15-11 10:52 AM   #125 
  - Are you kidding? I'm surprised it's so few, honestly.  Codeine   May-15-11 11:39 AM   #132 
  - I am completely UNsurprised. This site is full of scientific illiterates.  Odin2005   May-15-11 02:32 PM   #137 
     - country  Maru Kitteh   May-16-11 10:37 AM   #150 
  - well, here is hoping it does cure cancer  fascisthunter   May-15-11 10:34 AM   #120 
  - It isn't a cure though, it is an agent that inhibits glycolysis  Juche   May-15-11 11:37 AM   #131 
  - LOL, these morons don't even know what mitochondria are.  Odin2005   May-15-11 02:31 PM   #136 
  - rec + THANKS! nt  flamingdem   May-15-11 06:56 PM   #141 
  - Ha. You couldn't rec this nonsense. It was after the 24hr period. n/t  Maru Kitteh   May-16-11 10:52 AM   #151 
  - Mitochondria are organelles - not cells - they make ATP - not proteins or anything else  jpak   May-16-11 10:05 AM   #148 
 

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