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yawnmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 11:25 AM
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15. If you have that ache to go all out, it will happen eventually. Perhaps you are in the...
wrong place at the wrong time because you want to put yourself in a place where you have an excuse to go all out.
In which case, you are definitely due some blame.
But how you made that leap from my statement I can't say.

Sometimes you are punished for something you didn't do, because of circumstance.
Avoid the circumstance when you can.
That is life in a society.

Also, you must look at things from different frames of context.
To you, I'm sure you thought yourself in the right many times when going at it with your brother - I can see this from your writings here. Yet I suspect this may not always be the case from other frames of reference.
Your Mom was right in punishing both (and for other reasons, too).
Unless you accept the risk, avoid situations that can lead to these circumstances.
Don't escalate the situation once it starts.
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  -Question: Do two wrongs make a right? Arctic Dave  May-10-11 08:07 PM   #0 
  - Yes she was right  notesdev   May-10-11 08:12 PM   #1 
  - So two wrongs do make a right?  Arctic Dave   May-10-11 08:18 PM   #3 
  - I'm saying that she may not have been wrong  notesdev   May-10-11 09:25 PM   #9 
  - Nope - you're mom was right.  MedicalAdmin   May-11-11 04:42 PM   #57 
  - Exactly. Kids can have a very low threshold of "he/she started it"  alphafemale   May-10-11 09:25 PM   #10 
  - No  sorcrow   May-10-11 08:14 PM   #2 
  - Your family sounds really violent  Bluenorthwest   May-10-11 08:31 PM   #4 
  - you are interpreting wrongs. i guess one would have to first ask if there really are two wrongs  seabeyond   May-10-11 08:33 PM   #5 
  - Your mom was right. She did good. but your premise is wrong...  yawnmaster   May-10-11 08:38 PM   #6 
  - So if you find yourself in the wrong place, wrong time you should go all out?  Arctic Dave   May-10-11 09:18 PM   #8 
     - If you have that ache to go all out, it will happen eventually. Perhaps you are in the...  yawnmaster   May-11-11 11:25 AM   #15 
        - So turn the other cheek and also take the punishment?  Arctic Dave   May-11-11 02:58 PM   #19 
           - LOL This thread ain't going no where near where you wanted it  Solomon   May-11-11 03:11 PM   #25 
              - Actually, it has been very informative.  Arctic Dave   May-11-11 03:15 PM   #28 
                 - I don't see anyone saying that. Interesting how you do.  uppityperson   May-11-11 03:45 PM   #38 
                 - LOL you didn't learn that from here. That is what you had in your mind to begin with. eom  yawnmaster   May-11-11 03:47 PM   #41 
                    - Were did I see it, let me explain.  Arctic Dave   May-11-11 03:58 PM   #48 
                       - Wrong. You were punished for being aggressive back, not for defending yourself.  uppityperson   May-11-11 04:00 PM   #49 
  - My mother-in-law had eight children 5 sons and 3 daughters  TexasProgresive   May-10-11 09:14 PM   #7 
  - So if my accused me of taking money and started hitting me that is for me to be punished?  Arctic Dave   May-10-11 09:27 PM   #11 
     - It's a prisoners' dilemma  notesdev   May-11-11 12:35 AM   #14 
     - no you would not be justified. You can be angry. And learn to deal with anger.  yawnmaster   May-11-11 11:27 AM   #16 
        - So by not learning to deal with anger and lashing out is a flaw of character.  Arctic Dave   May-11-11 03:02 PM   #20 
        - Yes, I would argue that not learning to deal with anger, in a society, can be ...  yawnmaster   May-11-11 03:51 PM   #45 
        - So not learning to deal with anger and lashing out is a flaw of character  Arctic Dave   May-11-11 03:04 PM   #22 
  - No, but two lefts do.  Marr   May-10-11 09:31 PM   #12 
  - you guys....  unkachuck   May-10-11 09:36 PM   #13 
  - Should this type of conflict resolution also go for groups too?  Arctic Dave   May-11-11 03:06 PM   #23 
     - Yes, groups of children can also use this type of resolution. eom  uppityperson   May-11-11 03:46 PM   #40 
  - Another Bin Laden thread?  Incitatus   May-11-11 11:28 AM   #17 
  - In a way, yes. Trying to see why some people think the way they do.  Arctic Dave   May-11-11 03:12 PM   #26 
     - There is a difference between children and adults, between siblings and groups at war.  uppityperson   May-11-11 03:49 PM   #42 
     - The thing about seeing how other people think is that you need to try and remove from your own mind  yawnmaster   May-11-11 04:10 PM   #55 
     - This was never going to be scientific study.  Arctic Dave   May-11-11 07:57 PM   #69 
     - OBL did wrong by allegedly masterminding the deaths of 3,000 people.  coalition_unwilling   May-11-11 05:33 PM   #62 
  - The 1 who started it was wrong, the 1 who responded back was wrong. A bigger question for you...  uppityperson   May-11-11 11:31 AM   #18 
  - "still getting into fights with the excuse "he started it"?" this is what stuck out for me.  seabeyond   May-11-11 03:04 PM   #21 
  - So if someone punches you, should you ignore it?  Arctic Dave   May-11-11 03:09 PM   #24 
     - Yes, you should ignore it if you can. Walking away can be the best thing to do. It depends  uppityperson   May-11-11 03:15 PM   #29 
     - To were? What if that is not an option?  Arctic Dave   May-11-11 03:17 PM   #30 
        - Part of defending yourself is walking away. Sorry that your childhood is upsetting you still  uppityperson   May-11-11 03:44 PM   #37 
     - because as a parent we have learned, it generally takes two. he punched you.... why?  seabeyond   May-11-11 03:25 PM   #32 
     - So if I am attacked for any reason I should not defend myself?  Arctic Dave   May-11-11 03:31 PM   #34 
        - my mom asked the three of us who did something... cant remember of course. we were pretty sure  seabeyond   May-11-11 04:01 PM   #50 
        - If you, as a child, were attacked for a reason, should you respond violently?  uppityperson   May-11-11 04:02 PM   #51 
        - Define attacked. Nt  Arctic Dave   May-11-11 07:52 PM   #68 
           - no. eom  uppityperson   May-11-11 08:06 PM   #70 
              - Ok. Thank you for your time.  Arctic Dave   May-11-11 08:12 PM   #71 
        - Yes - depending on "how" you defended yourself.  MedicalAdmin   May-11-11 04:50 PM   #59 
     - Or possibly our actions could be predicated on our own judgements...  LanternWaste   May-11-11 03:30 PM   #33 
     - I felt threatened, should I not defend myself?  Arctic Dave   May-11-11 03:33 PM   #36 
        - Its A response, not the only response or even the most logical. eom  yawnmaster   May-11-11 04:05 PM   #54 
        - I imagine that should we think about it, we'd find many logical responses  LanternWaste   May-11-11 04:34 PM   #56 
        - Felt is not = to logic.  MedicalAdmin   May-11-11 04:50 PM   #60 
           - I take it you have never been in a fight.  Arctic Dave   May-11-11 06:07 PM   #63 
           - I have been in riots.  MedicalAdmin   May-11-11 06:44 PM   #65 
           - Felt = input. Fighting = output.  Arctic Dave   May-11-11 07:49 PM   #67 
              - Sun Tzu said...  MedicalAdmin   May-12-11 12:47 PM   #72 
     - Walking away from a punch is not ignoring it. If the punch is so insignificant that it can...  yawnmaster   May-11-11 04:03 PM   #52 
     - Rule one in martial arts.  MedicalAdmin   May-11-11 04:48 PM   #58 
  - Your mother will trump whatever you say  lunatica   May-11-11 03:14 PM   #27 
  - Not always. It's complicated.  MrScorpio   May-11-11 03:22 PM   #31 
  - Thank you MrS  Arctic Dave   May-11-11 03:50 PM   #43 
  - Simple, don't break your Mom's stuff.  Ikonoklast   May-11-11 03:31 PM   #35 
  - Why would your Mom care what a bunch of strangers on the  sufrommich   May-11-11 03:45 PM   #39 
  - No, but self defense isn't "a wrong". n/t  lumberjack_jeff   May-11-11 03:50 PM   #44 
  - You mean she hit you? Where I come from, that's called child abuse and not only is it wrong...  Shagbark Hickory   May-11-11 03:52 PM   #46 
  - Two "wrongs" can prevent additional "wrongs".  LoZoccolo   May-11-11 03:52 PM   #47 
  - I was going to post something similar. Thanks!  RegieRocker   May-11-11 04:05 PM   #53 
  - No, but two rights make a U turn  Motown_Johnny   May-11-11 05:10 PM   #61 
  - I raised twins  drpepper67   May-11-11 06:36 PM   #64 
  - I don't consider it wrong if you were defending yourself...  Lucian   May-11-11 06:45 PM   #66 

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