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Mon May-09-11 08:56 PM
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| 98. No, but I am saying that if that is the case, then every other |
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country in the world has the same right. So what happens when someoen WE have harmed, and we have harmed so many people, decides that they can come here and take out the person or people they identify as a threat to their people? Will we claim it is not legal? What if they feel that if they were to tell us in advance, we might warn those people? So they just do it and leave?
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| -If you believe there is nothing illegal about going in to a country without permission... |
no limit |
May-09-11 05:14 PM |
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Osama bin Laden mission agreed in secret 10 years ago by US and Pakistan |
Ian David |
May-09-11 05:17 PM |
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So you're saying if such a agreement didn't exist this operation would be illegal? |
no limit |
May-09-11 05:20 PM |
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"killing anyone we deem an enemy combatant" - I am not following you on your point |
emulatorloo |
May-09-11 05:25 PM |
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There are millions of people around the world that the US government considers at war with us |
no limit |
May-09-11 05:33 PM |
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Bin Laden declared war on America not the US government AMERICA |
Drale |
May-09-11 05:35 PM |
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You didn't answer my question. |
no limit |
May-09-11 05:35 PM |
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But I did |
Drale |
May-09-11 05:41 PM |
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Those other people put out statements online all the time about how they want Americans to die |
no limit |
May-09-11 05:47 PM |
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Taking him alive very easily could have cost American soldiers their lives |
Drale |
May-09-11 05:52 PM |
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Again, you aren't answering any of my questions. |
no limit |
May-09-11 06:03 PM |
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I really don't know what question you want me to answer |
Drale |
May-09-11 06:08 PM |
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I asked you the question of who gets to decide what the line is for when assassination is okay? |
no limit |
May-09-11 06:12 PM |
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I don't know what you think the assassination is but |
Drale |
May-09-11 06:17 PM |
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you are saying the objective of the mission was to capture Osama Bin Laden? |
no limit |
May-09-11 06:21 PM |
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Where did you get your information |
Drale |
May-09-11 06:22 PM |
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I never said Obama ordered the assassination of Osama |
no limit |
May-09-11 06:28 PM |
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I have not heard anyone ask the White House |
Drale |
May-09-11 06:32 PM |
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You would not want to bomb in this case for many reasons |
no limit |
May-09-11 06:35 PM |
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I think claiming this was an assassination mission |
Drale |
May-09-11 06:37 PM |
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As I pointed out to you I never claimed this was a assassination mission |
no limit |
May-09-11 06:42 PM |
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Um, Reuters and The Atlantic Monthly reported independently |
coalition_unwilling |
May-09-11 10:50 PM |
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There are reports that that was the case. And the story was inconsistent. |
Capitalocracy |
May-10-11 11:04 AM |
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Oh, FFS, enough with the transparently disingeuous apologetics already. Both |
coalition_unwilling |
May-09-11 10:48 PM |
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This country spent years killing 3,000 Iraqis a day before lunch even rolled around. |
stranger81 |
May-09-11 09:21 PM |
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Who needs self interest when you have 'Might Makes Right' |
coalition_unwilling |
May-09-11 10:54 PM |
#115 |
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The question was asked. WHERE'S THE LIMIT? |
Canuckistanian |
May-09-11 09:50 PM |
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And we killed a million people in Iraq, a country that had nothing to do with 9/11, |
RC |
May-09-11 11:17 PM |
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Excellent question - WHERE'S THE LIMIT? n/t |
Canuckistanian |
May-09-11 09:44 PM |
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Bin Laden acted on his war by killing 3000 of Americans and |
shraby |
May-09-11 06:12 PM |
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You are confusing the rabble with leaders who are organizing/directing/ financing terrorist events |
Sheepshank |
May-09-11 07:54 PM |
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All the OP is pointing out is that there is no legal process by which people are |
sudopod |
May-10-11 10:43 AM |
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nope I wasn't responding to the op... |
Sheepshank |
May-10-11 01:15 PM |
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A fatwa is NOT a declaration of war. Only states can declare war on other states - n/t |
coalition_unwilling |
May-09-11 10:45 PM |
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Because there are already UN and US provisions to be used against Bin Laden |
dkf |
May-09-11 07:18 PM |
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I'd like to respond by copying and pasting a brilliant response |
coalition_unwilling |
May-09-11 10:43 PM |
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He was killed while resisting arrest. Oops. n/t |
Ian David |
May-09-11 05:27 PM |
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Why are you having such a hard time with such simple questions? |
no limit |
May-09-11 05:32 PM |
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Because I'm actually conflicted about it a little. n/t |
Ian David |
May-09-11 05:43 PM |
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So me mostly agree |
no limit |
May-09-11 05:49 PM |
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He was killed while trying to escape. Oops. Support our Oops. - n/t |
coalition_unwilling |
May-09-11 10:55 PM |
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Our last two Presidents have claimed the right to kill ANYONE |
Vinnie From Indy |
May-09-11 05:22 PM |
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Pretty clear that Pakistan would have tipped OBL off. |
emulatorloo |
May-09-11 05:22 PM |
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It isn't clear at all. It's not clear Pakistan didn't tip us off. n/t |
EFerrari |
May-09-11 05:23 PM |
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So far Pakistan's public stance is we knew nothing about OBL living in that compound n/t |
emulatorloo |
May-09-11 05:27 PM |
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Bush's assasination program provided the personnel to kill bin Laden. |
EFerrari |
May-09-11 05:23 PM |
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Self-flagellate else-ware. |
JoePhilly |
May-09-11 05:24 PM |
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Why do you find the basic question I asked about due process so offensive? |
no limit |
May-09-11 05:30 PM |
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If you don't think bin Laden was a terrorist of mass proportion... |
JuniperLea |
May-09-11 05:39 PM |
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You are attributing a position to me which I don't hold. Surely you're smarter than that |
no limit |
May-09-11 05:45 PM |
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If you don't hold that position... |
JuniperLea |
May-09-11 05:48 PM |
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I am happy to discuss with you my positions on this as I have been doing in this thread |
no limit |
May-09-11 05:51 PM |
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How funny you are... |
JuniperLea |
May-09-11 05:54 PM |
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"Surely you're smarter than that." |
Forkboy |
May-10-11 04:15 PM |
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OBL is not "any" individual. |
JoePhilly |
May-09-11 05:50 PM |
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In WWII we brought tons of nazis to trial And Hitler killed himself before we could put him on trial |
no limit |
May-09-11 06:01 PM |
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My father was in WWII and when he was in his 70s, he told me |
shraby |
May-09-11 06:18 PM |
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and you think such an order was a good idea? |
no limit |
May-09-11 06:22 PM |
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It was a fact that the SS executed many people without trials. |
shraby |
May-09-11 06:51 PM |
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And he was sure every single person they shot on sight was guilty? |
no limit |
May-09-11 07:18 PM |
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You are honestly questioning whether someone wearing an SS uniform my not have been guilty? |
Javaman |
May-10-11 10:22 AM |
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SS was guilty. Executing people was what they did for their |
shraby |
May-10-11 04:09 PM |
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+10000000000000000000 |
JoePhilly |
May-09-11 07:07 PM |
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Necessary, or not? |
Davis_X_Machina |
May-09-11 05:25 PM |
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Why would it be against the rules to link to earlier topics? |
LiberalAndProud |
May-09-11 05:25 PM |
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I think it falls under the "calling people out" rule |
no limit |
May-09-11 05:34 PM |
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I think you'll be fine if you don't name any specific DUer |
Capitalocracy |
May-10-11 10:49 AM |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
May-09-11 05:26 PM |
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It is easy to draw the line |
hack89 |
May-09-11 05:27 PM |
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+1000 n/t |
Ian David |
May-09-11 05:28 PM |
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Well put n/t |
emulatorloo |
May-09-11 05:29 PM |
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I sincerely wish you'd start a thread with this post. Very well put. |
KittyWampus |
May-09-11 05:30 PM |
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Who defines what a terrorist is? |
no limit |
May-09-11 05:31 PM |
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Groups with a history of killing Americans |
hack89 |
May-09-11 05:37 PM |
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So if I understand you correctly the only thing that differentiates Osama from all other terrorists |
no limit |
May-09-11 05:40 PM |
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What are you trying to get at? |
hack89 |
May-09-11 05:45 PM |
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Okay, so if the US government says that someone collaborated with Osama to kill americans |
no limit |
May-09-11 06:04 PM |
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We shoud arrest him if possible |
hack89 |
May-09-11 06:39 PM |
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plots to kill americans in the war in terror of just kill americans in general? |
no limit |
May-09-11 06:43 PM |
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International cooperation on the war on drugs is pretty good |
hack89 |
May-09-11 06:48 PM |
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Really? Have you seen what is happening in Mexico? |
no limit |
May-09-11 07:19 PM |
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Both countries have extradited cartel leaders to America |
hack89 |
May-09-11 09:16 PM |
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Pakistan has extradited terrorist leaders to America |
no limit |
May-10-11 09:08 AM |
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Your assumptive statement is a giant "fail" |
Sheepshank |
May-09-11 08:40 PM |
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How about Americans killing Muslims who have done nothing |
sabrina 1 |
May-09-11 06:06 PM |
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I am not claiming we can kill anyone anywhere |
hack89 |
May-09-11 06:45 PM |
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No, but I am saying that if that is the case, then every other |
sabrina 1 |
May-09-11 08:56 PM |
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Well, if we let a foreign national plan acts of terrorism in America |
hack89 |
May-09-11 09:12 PM |
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Yes, I know he was not a government agent. So why did we |
sabrina 1 |
May-09-11 10:32 PM |
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Oh please... |
JuniperLea |
May-09-11 05:38 PM |
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That description certainly does describe a terrorist |
no limit |
May-09-11 05:44 PM |
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There is no line, "magical" or otherwise... |
JuniperLea |
May-09-11 05:46 PM |
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Okay, so if the president decides to kill someone because he says they killed lets say 10 people |
no limit |
May-09-11 05:48 PM |
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Don't put words in my mouth... |
JuniperLea |
May-09-11 05:51 PM |
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Like I said, if that is not your position then by all means correct me. And you didn't correct me |
no limit |
May-09-11 06:08 PM |
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That is a weak story... |
JuniperLea |
May-09-11 06:37 PM |
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But again, if the president decided in that case the guy needed to go it would be legal, right? |
no limit |
May-09-11 06:44 PM |
#79 |
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Obama didn't decide that OBL was a terrorist... |
JuniperLea |
May-09-11 06:49 PM |
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Obama didn't decide that drug dealer was a terrorist. The drug dealer did so himself |
no limit |
May-09-11 07:14 PM |
#87 |
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The US government deemed the line crossed back in the 1990s |
RZM |
May-09-11 05:55 PM |
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It's called discretion. |
NYC Liberal |
May-09-11 05:57 PM |
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So ok...to review your position |
no limit |
May-09-11 06:10 PM |
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No, that is not my position. |
NYC Liberal |
May-09-11 06:32 PM |
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You missed the point entirely, let me try to make it a bit clearer |
no limit |
May-09-11 06:41 PM |
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No. |
NYC Liberal |
May-09-11 06:55 PM |
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We are at war with drugs. Thousands of Americans die in that war each year |
no limit |
May-09-11 07:16 PM |
#88 |
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Which drugs have declared war on the United States |
NYC Liberal |
May-09-11 07:43 PM |
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I agree with the others here... |
JuniperLea |
May-09-11 05:40 PM |
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Oh boohoo |
donheld |
May-09-11 05:28 PM |
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How could possibly have missed |
pintobean |
May-09-11 05:36 PM |
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Look, it's very simple... |
RevStPatrick |
May-09-11 05:44 PM |
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The way you feel about it should change depending on who is |
deaniac21 |
May-09-11 05:59 PM |
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Your first problem is you ASSUME. |
JTFrog |
May-09-11 06:00 PM |
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I don't think they are just declaring any individual they want an enemy combatant |
madokie |
May-09-11 06:22 PM |
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If you believe OBL was just "part of the war on terror" |
DevonRex |
May-09-11 06:32 PM |
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leave him alone!1!1 *sob* he grew good weed and gifted bunnies and that evil obama killed him dead. |
dionysus |
May-10-11 10:24 AM |
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OMG. No way can anybody top this. Or even add to it. |
DevonRex |
May-10-11 10:46 AM |
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i propose arcadian,greenwald and mumia set up an independant commission to bring the truth to light! |
dionysus |
May-10-11 10:50 AM |
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The true martyrs of our age!! All hail the martyrs! |
DevonRex |
May-10-11 11:08 AM |
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There are reportedly 11 million people in this country without |
Obamanaut |
May-09-11 06:37 PM |
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We did that a lot in WWII. It's a war, whatever its extent. |
MineralMan |
May-09-11 07:02 PM |
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If someone does not want to be killed by the American military, they probably shouldn't declare war |
BzaDem |
May-09-11 07:42 PM |
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I'm a little more concerned about the OTHER people we kill in Pakistan |
yurbud |
May-09-11 07:56 PM |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
May-09-11 08:46 PM |
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They are searching for something to talk about |
Hutzpa |
May-09-11 09:15 PM |
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Wow - you must have some super immunity to be able to question another Duer's |
myrna minx |
May-10-11 09:25 AM |
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I'm with you. |
stranger81 |
May-09-11 09:13 PM |
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K&R [n/t] |
stranger81 |
May-09-11 09:16 PM |
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Any individual? Osama wasn't any individual. As far as the pick |
RegieRocker |
May-09-11 09:46 PM |
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This is interesting, regarding suspected felons in Washington State: |
Zorra |
May-09-11 09:49 PM |
#107 |
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It was legal under act of Congress |
Hamlette |
May-09-11 10:47 PM |
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Does an act of congress overwrite international law? |
no limit |
May-10-11 09:10 AM |
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I think the article makes a very good legal case that killing bin Laden does not "overwrite" |
Hamlette |
May-10-11 10:03 AM |
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You quoted an act of congress, not international law on the matter |
no limit |
May-10-11 10:12 AM |
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not all acts of congress violate international law |
Hamlette |
May-10-11 10:21 AM |
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not all acts of congress abide by international law either |
no limit |
May-10-11 10:28 AM |
#133 |
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If you believe there is nothing illegal about going into a country without permission |
AlabamaLibrul |
May-09-11 11:18 PM |
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There are many people here who want EXACTLY THAT. |
astral |
May-10-11 12:19 AM |
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This should rightly terrify us. |
poli_ticks |
May-10-11 10:12 AM |
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They already put environmental activists in the same prisons as terrorists |
Capitalocracy |
May-10-11 11:46 AM |
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For every killing there is a context, and it is within that context that killings are judged. |
aikoaiko |
May-10-11 10:14 AM |
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It was legal. Congress authorized the President to do so |
Freddie Stubbs |
May-10-11 10:14 AM |
#127 |
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Ah, like they did with invading Iraq. |
Capitalocracy |
May-10-11 10:50 AM |
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There is a difference between 'legal' and 'thing you don't like' |
Freddie Stubbs |
May-10-11 10:54 AM |
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Yes, but there's also a difference between "Congress said it was OK" |
Capitalocracy |
May-10-11 10:57 AM |
#140 |
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Does President Obama need to be in prison too? |
Freddie Stubbs |
May-10-11 11:26 AM |
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I'm not going to directly answer that because of DU rules. |
Capitalocracy |
May-10-11 11:32 AM |
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He signed an executive order to close GITMO. |
JTFrog |
May-11-11 08:00 AM |
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Where does it say International law is part of the law of the land in the Constitution? |
onenote |
May-12-11 11:21 AM |
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You are outraged because you believe in an illusion. Other people do not believe in laws, and act |
ZombieHorde |
May-10-11 10:22 AM |
#129 |
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Maybe Pakistan should have been smarter than to let OBL set up shop right under their noses. |
backscatter712 |
May-10-11 10:23 AM |
#131 |
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I read this morning that the Pakistani people are mighty upset about that too... |
JuniperLea |
May-10-11 01:19 PM |
#147 |
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i'm sure they were well paid, remember, mullah omar was |
pitohui |
May-10-11 04:23 PM |
#154 |
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Your poor assumptions are breathtakingly obnoxious. |
Sheepshank |
May-10-11 01:42 PM |
#148 |
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You can't accuse someone of lying |
Capitalocracy |
May-11-11 03:05 PM |
#156 |
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sure I can |
Sheepshank |
May-12-11 10:47 AM |
#158 |
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Yawn. |
closeupready |
May-10-11 01:45 PM |
#149 |
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if you believe there is nothing illegal abt harboring a mass murderer for almost a decade... |
pitohui |
May-10-11 04:19 PM |
#152 |
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I'm so glad you posted this |
nonperson |
May-10-11 04:20 PM |
#153 |
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You, me, and a host of others by the look of it... |
JuniperLea |
May-11-11 03:07 PM |
#157 |
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Hey. I hear there's a new lefty board that started up... |
SidDithers |
May-12-11 10:53 AM |
#159 |
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How would you handle the following scenario? |
onenote |
May-12-11 10:59 AM |
#160 |
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