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Mon May-09-11 05:35 PM
Response to Reply #24 |
| 25. You didn't answer my question. |
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Edited on Mon May-09-11 05:37 PM by no limit
Thousands if not millions of people around the world are at war with us according to the government. How are they different from Bin Laden?
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| -If you believe there is nothing illegal about going in to a country without permission... |
no limit |
May-09-11 05:14 PM |
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Osama bin Laden mission agreed in secret 10 years ago by US and Pakistan |
Ian David |
May-09-11 05:17 PM |
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So you're saying if such a agreement didn't exist this operation would be illegal? |
no limit |
May-09-11 05:20 PM |
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"killing anyone we deem an enemy combatant" - I am not following you on your point |
emulatorloo |
May-09-11 05:25 PM |
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There are millions of people around the world that the US government considers at war with us |
no limit |
May-09-11 05:33 PM |
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Bin Laden declared war on America not the US government AMERICA |
Drale |
May-09-11 05:35 PM |
#24 |
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You didn't answer my question. |
no limit |
May-09-11 05:35 PM |
#25 |
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But I did |
Drale |
May-09-11 05:41 PM |
#32 |
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Those other people put out statements online all the time about how they want Americans to die |
no limit |
May-09-11 05:47 PM |
#39 |
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Taking him alive very easily could have cost American soldiers their lives |
Drale |
May-09-11 05:52 PM |
#46 |
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Again, you aren't answering any of my questions. |
no limit |
May-09-11 06:03 PM |
#53 |
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I really don't know what question you want me to answer |
Drale |
May-09-11 06:08 PM |
#57 |
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I asked you the question of who gets to decide what the line is for when assassination is okay? |
no limit |
May-09-11 06:12 PM |
#60 |
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I don't know what you think the assassination is but |
Drale |
May-09-11 06:17 PM |
#61 |
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you are saying the objective of the mission was to capture Osama Bin Laden? |
no limit |
May-09-11 06:21 PM |
#63 |
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Where did you get your information |
Drale |
May-09-11 06:22 PM |
#66 |
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I never said Obama ordered the assassination of Osama |
no limit |
May-09-11 06:28 PM |
#67 |
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I have not heard anyone ask the White House |
Drale |
May-09-11 06:32 PM |
#68 |
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You would not want to bomb in this case for many reasons |
no limit |
May-09-11 06:35 PM |
#71 |
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I think claiming this was an assassination mission |
Drale |
May-09-11 06:37 PM |
#73 |
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As I pointed out to you I never claimed this was a assassination mission |
no limit |
May-09-11 06:42 PM |
#77 |
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Um, Reuters and The Atlantic Monthly reported independently |
coalition_unwilling |
May-09-11 10:50 PM |
#114 |
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There are reports that that was the case. And the story was inconsistent. |
Capitalocracy |
May-10-11 11:04 AM |
#141 |
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Oh, FFS, enough with the transparently disingeuous apologetics already. Both |
coalition_unwilling |
May-09-11 10:48 PM |
#113 |
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This country spent years killing 3,000 Iraqis a day before lunch even rolled around. |
stranger81 |
May-09-11 09:21 PM |
#104 |
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Who needs self interest when you have 'Might Makes Right' |
coalition_unwilling |
May-09-11 10:54 PM |
#115 |
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The question was asked. WHERE'S THE LIMIT? |
Canuckistanian |
May-09-11 09:50 PM |
#108 |
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And we killed a million people in Iraq, a country that had nothing to do with 9/11, |
RC |
May-09-11 11:17 PM |
#117 |
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Excellent question - WHERE'S THE LIMIT? n/t |
Canuckistanian |
May-09-11 09:44 PM |
#105 |
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Bin Laden acted on his war by killing 3000 of Americans and |
shraby |
May-09-11 06:12 PM |
#59 |
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You are confusing the rabble with leaders who are organizing/directing/ financing terrorist events |
Sheepshank |
May-09-11 07:54 PM |
#94 |
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All the OP is pointing out is that there is no legal process by which people are |
sudopod |
May-10-11 10:43 AM |
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nope I wasn't responding to the op... |
Sheepshank |
May-10-11 01:15 PM |
#146 |
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A fatwa is NOT a declaration of war. Only states can declare war on other states - n/t |
coalition_unwilling |
May-09-11 10:45 PM |
#111 |
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Because there are already UN and US provisions to be used against Bin Laden |
dkf |
May-09-11 07:18 PM |
#90 |
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I'd like to respond by copying and pasting a brilliant response |
coalition_unwilling |
May-09-11 10:43 PM |
#110 |
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He was killed while resisting arrest. Oops. n/t |
Ian David |
May-09-11 05:27 PM |
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Why are you having such a hard time with such simple questions? |
no limit |
May-09-11 05:32 PM |
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Because I'm actually conflicted about it a little. n/t |
Ian David |
May-09-11 05:43 PM |
#33 |
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So me mostly agree |
no limit |
May-09-11 05:49 PM |
#42 |
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He was killed while trying to escape. Oops. Support our Oops. - n/t |
coalition_unwilling |
May-09-11 10:55 PM |
#116 |
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Our last two Presidents have claimed the right to kill ANYONE |
Vinnie From Indy |
May-09-11 05:22 PM |
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Pretty clear that Pakistan would have tipped OBL off. |
emulatorloo |
May-09-11 05:22 PM |
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It isn't clear at all. It's not clear Pakistan didn't tip us off. n/t |
EFerrari |
May-09-11 05:23 PM |
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So far Pakistan's public stance is we knew nothing about OBL living in that compound n/t |
emulatorloo |
May-09-11 05:27 PM |
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Bush's assasination program provided the personnel to kill bin Laden. |
EFerrari |
May-09-11 05:23 PM |
#5 |
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Self-flagellate else-ware. |
JoePhilly |
May-09-11 05:24 PM |
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Why do you find the basic question I asked about due process so offensive? |
no limit |
May-09-11 05:30 PM |
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If you don't think bin Laden was a terrorist of mass proportion... |
JuniperLea |
May-09-11 05:39 PM |
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You are attributing a position to me which I don't hold. Surely you're smarter than that |
no limit |
May-09-11 05:45 PM |
#36 |
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If you don't hold that position... |
JuniperLea |
May-09-11 05:48 PM |
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I am happy to discuss with you my positions on this as I have been doing in this thread |
no limit |
May-09-11 05:51 PM |
#44 |
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How funny you are... |
JuniperLea |
May-09-11 05:54 PM |
#47 |
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"Surely you're smarter than that." |
Forkboy |
May-10-11 04:15 PM |
#151 |
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OBL is not "any" individual. |
JoePhilly |
May-09-11 05:50 PM |
#43 |
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In WWII we brought tons of nazis to trial And Hitler killed himself before we could put him on trial |
no limit |
May-09-11 06:01 PM |
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My father was in WWII and when he was in his 70s, he told me |
shraby |
May-09-11 06:18 PM |
#62 |
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and you think such an order was a good idea? |
no limit |
May-09-11 06:22 PM |
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It was a fact that the SS executed many people without trials. |
shraby |
May-09-11 06:51 PM |
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And he was sure every single person they shot on sight was guilty? |
no limit |
May-09-11 07:18 PM |
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You are honestly questioning whether someone wearing an SS uniform my not have been guilty? |
Javaman |
May-10-11 10:22 AM |
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SS was guilty. Executing people was what they did for their |
shraby |
May-10-11 04:09 PM |
#150 |
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+10000000000000000000 |
JoePhilly |
May-09-11 07:07 PM |
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Necessary, or not? |
Davis_X_Machina |
May-09-11 05:25 PM |
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Why would it be against the rules to link to earlier topics? |
LiberalAndProud |
May-09-11 05:25 PM |
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I think it falls under the "calling people out" rule |
no limit |
May-09-11 05:34 PM |
#23 |
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I think you'll be fine if you don't name any specific DUer |
Capitalocracy |
May-10-11 10:49 AM |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
May-09-11 05:26 PM |
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It is easy to draw the line |
hack89 |
May-09-11 05:27 PM |
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+1000 n/t |
Ian David |
May-09-11 05:28 PM |
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Well put n/t |
emulatorloo |
May-09-11 05:29 PM |
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I sincerely wish you'd start a thread with this post. Very well put. |
KittyWampus |
May-09-11 05:30 PM |
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Who defines what a terrorist is? |
no limit |
May-09-11 05:31 PM |
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Groups with a history of killing Americans |
hack89 |
May-09-11 05:37 PM |
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So if I understand you correctly the only thing that differentiates Osama from all other terrorists |
no limit |
May-09-11 05:40 PM |
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What are you trying to get at? |
hack89 |
May-09-11 05:45 PM |
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Okay, so if the US government says that someone collaborated with Osama to kill americans |
no limit |
May-09-11 06:04 PM |
#54 |
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We shoud arrest him if possible |
hack89 |
May-09-11 06:39 PM |
#75 |
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plots to kill americans in the war in terror of just kill americans in general? |
no limit |
May-09-11 06:43 PM |
#78 |
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International cooperation on the war on drugs is pretty good |
hack89 |
May-09-11 06:48 PM |
#81 |
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Really? Have you seen what is happening in Mexico? |
no limit |
May-09-11 07:19 PM |
#91 |
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Both countries have extradited cartel leaders to America |
hack89 |
May-09-11 09:16 PM |
#102 |
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Pakistan has extradited terrorist leaders to America |
no limit |
May-10-11 09:08 AM |
#120 |
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Your assumptive statement is a giant "fail" |
Sheepshank |
May-09-11 08:40 PM |
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How about Americans killing Muslims who have done nothing |
sabrina 1 |
May-09-11 06:06 PM |
#55 |
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I am not claiming we can kill anyone anywhere |
hack89 |
May-09-11 06:45 PM |
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No, but I am saying that if that is the case, then every other |
sabrina 1 |
May-09-11 08:56 PM |
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Well, if we let a foreign national plan acts of terrorism in America |
hack89 |
May-09-11 09:12 PM |
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Yes, I know he was not a government agent. So why did we |
sabrina 1 |
May-09-11 10:32 PM |
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Oh please... |
JuniperLea |
May-09-11 05:38 PM |
#28 |
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That description certainly does describe a terrorist |
no limit |
May-09-11 05:44 PM |
#35 |
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There is no line, "magical" or otherwise... |
JuniperLea |
May-09-11 05:46 PM |
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Okay, so if the president decides to kill someone because he says they killed lets say 10 people |
no limit |
May-09-11 05:48 PM |
#41 |
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Don't put words in my mouth... |
JuniperLea |
May-09-11 05:51 PM |
#45 |
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Like I said, if that is not your position then by all means correct me. And you didn't correct me |
no limit |
May-09-11 06:08 PM |
#56 |
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That is a weak story... |
JuniperLea |
May-09-11 06:37 PM |
#74 |
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But again, if the president decided in that case the guy needed to go it would be legal, right? |
no limit |
May-09-11 06:44 PM |
#79 |
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Obama didn't decide that OBL was a terrorist... |
JuniperLea |
May-09-11 06:49 PM |
#82 |
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Obama didn't decide that drug dealer was a terrorist. The drug dealer did so himself |
no limit |
May-09-11 07:14 PM |
#87 |
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The US government deemed the line crossed back in the 1990s |
RZM |
May-09-11 05:55 PM |
#48 |
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It's called discretion. |
NYC Liberal |
May-09-11 05:57 PM |
#49 |
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So ok...to review your position |
no limit |
May-09-11 06:10 PM |
#58 |
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No, that is not my position. |
NYC Liberal |
May-09-11 06:32 PM |
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You missed the point entirely, let me try to make it a bit clearer |
no limit |
May-09-11 06:41 PM |
#76 |
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No. |
NYC Liberal |
May-09-11 06:55 PM |
#84 |
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We are at war with drugs. Thousands of Americans die in that war each year |
no limit |
May-09-11 07:16 PM |
#88 |
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Which drugs have declared war on the United States |
NYC Liberal |
May-09-11 07:43 PM |
#93 |
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I agree with the others here... |
JuniperLea |
May-09-11 05:40 PM |
#30 |
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Oh boohoo |
donheld |
May-09-11 05:28 PM |
#16 |
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How could possibly have missed |
pintobean |
May-09-11 05:36 PM |
#26 |
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Look, it's very simple... |
RevStPatrick |
May-09-11 05:44 PM |
#34 |
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The way you feel about it should change depending on who is |
deaniac21 |
May-09-11 05:59 PM |
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Your first problem is you ASSUME. |
JTFrog |
May-09-11 06:00 PM |
#51 |
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I don't think they are just declaring any individual they want an enemy combatant |
madokie |
May-09-11 06:22 PM |
#65 |
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If you believe OBL was just "part of the war on terror" |
DevonRex |
May-09-11 06:32 PM |
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leave him alone!1!1 *sob* he grew good weed and gifted bunnies and that evil obama killed him dead. |
dionysus |
May-10-11 10:24 AM |
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OMG. No way can anybody top this. Or even add to it. |
DevonRex |
May-10-11 10:46 AM |
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i propose arcadian,greenwald and mumia set up an independant commission to bring the truth to light! |
dionysus |
May-10-11 10:50 AM |
#138 |
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The true martyrs of our age!! All hail the martyrs! |
DevonRex |
May-10-11 11:08 AM |
#142 |
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There are reportedly 11 million people in this country without |
Obamanaut |
May-09-11 06:37 PM |
#72 |
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We did that a lot in WWII. It's a war, whatever its extent. |
MineralMan |
May-09-11 07:02 PM |
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If someone does not want to be killed by the American military, they probably shouldn't declare war |
BzaDem |
May-09-11 07:42 PM |
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I'm a little more concerned about the OTHER people we kill in Pakistan |
yurbud |
May-09-11 07:56 PM |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
May-09-11 08:46 PM |
#97 |
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They are searching for something to talk about |
Hutzpa |
May-09-11 09:15 PM |
#101 |
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Wow - you must have some super immunity to be able to question another Duer's |
myrna minx |
May-10-11 09:25 AM |
#122 |
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I'm with you. |
stranger81 |
May-09-11 09:13 PM |
#100 |
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K&R [n/t] |
stranger81 |
May-09-11 09:16 PM |
#103 |
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Any individual? Osama wasn't any individual. As far as the pick |
RegieRocker |
May-09-11 09:46 PM |
#106 |
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This is interesting, regarding suspected felons in Washington State: |
Zorra |
May-09-11 09:49 PM |
#107 |
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It was legal under act of Congress |
Hamlette |
May-09-11 10:47 PM |
#112 |
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Does an act of congress overwrite international law? |
no limit |
May-10-11 09:10 AM |
#121 |
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I think the article makes a very good legal case that killing bin Laden does not "overwrite" |
Hamlette |
May-10-11 10:03 AM |
#123 |
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You quoted an act of congress, not international law on the matter |
no limit |
May-10-11 10:12 AM |
#125 |
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not all acts of congress violate international law |
Hamlette |
May-10-11 10:21 AM |
#128 |
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not all acts of congress abide by international law either |
no limit |
May-10-11 10:28 AM |
#133 |
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If you believe there is nothing illegal about going into a country without permission |
AlabamaLibrul |
May-09-11 11:18 PM |
#118 |
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There are many people here who want EXACTLY THAT. |
astral |
May-10-11 12:19 AM |
#119 |
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This should rightly terrify us. |
poli_ticks |
May-10-11 10:12 AM |
#124 |
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They already put environmental activists in the same prisons as terrorists |
Capitalocracy |
May-10-11 11:46 AM |
#145 |
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For every killing there is a context, and it is within that context that killings are judged. |
aikoaiko |
May-10-11 10:14 AM |
#126 |
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It was legal. Congress authorized the President to do so |
Freddie Stubbs |
May-10-11 10:14 AM |
#127 |
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Ah, like they did with invading Iraq. |
Capitalocracy |
May-10-11 10:50 AM |
#137 |
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There is a difference between 'legal' and 'thing you don't like' |
Freddie Stubbs |
May-10-11 10:54 AM |
#139 |
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Yes, but there's also a difference between "Congress said it was OK" |
Capitalocracy |
May-10-11 10:57 AM |
#140 |
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Does President Obama need to be in prison too? |
Freddie Stubbs |
May-10-11 11:26 AM |
#143 |
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I'm not going to directly answer that because of DU rules. |
Capitalocracy |
May-10-11 11:32 AM |
#144 |
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He signed an executive order to close GITMO. |
JTFrog |
May-11-11 08:00 AM |
#155 |
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Where does it say International law is part of the law of the land in the Constitution? |
onenote |
May-12-11 11:21 AM |
#161 |
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You are outraged because you believe in an illusion. Other people do not believe in laws, and act |
ZombieHorde |
May-10-11 10:22 AM |
#129 |
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Maybe Pakistan should have been smarter than to let OBL set up shop right under their noses. |
backscatter712 |
May-10-11 10:23 AM |
#131 |
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I read this morning that the Pakistani people are mighty upset about that too... |
JuniperLea |
May-10-11 01:19 PM |
#147 |
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i'm sure they were well paid, remember, mullah omar was |
pitohui |
May-10-11 04:23 PM |
#154 |
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Your poor assumptions are breathtakingly obnoxious. |
Sheepshank |
May-10-11 01:42 PM |
#148 |
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You can't accuse someone of lying |
Capitalocracy |
May-11-11 03:05 PM |
#156 |
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sure I can |
Sheepshank |
May-12-11 10:47 AM |
#158 |
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Yawn. |
closeupready |
May-10-11 01:45 PM |
#149 |
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if you believe there is nothing illegal abt harboring a mass murderer for almost a decade... |
pitohui |
May-10-11 04:19 PM |
#152 |
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I'm so glad you posted this |
nonperson |
May-10-11 04:20 PM |
#153 |
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You, me, and a host of others by the look of it... |
JuniperLea |
May-11-11 03:07 PM |
#157 |
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Hey. I hear there's a new lefty board that started up... |
SidDithers |
May-12-11 10:53 AM |
#159 |
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How would you handle the following scenario? |
onenote |
May-12-11 10:59 AM |
#160 |
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