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Mon Jan-03-11 12:25 PM
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| 89. Are you kidding? With nearly our entire population glued to the TV six or more |
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hours every day we've become the fucking Borg. There's no variety of much of anything in America. If you travel much, you'll notice that most industrialized Nations have a huge population of immigrants. But few Nations are as homogenized as ours is because of our slavish obidience to the mainstream media. We are only superficially diverse since most are told what to think about an issue and obey; that goes for our political parties as well at this point.
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| -Four Reasons Finland’s Schools are Better Than Ours |
Lorien |
Jan-02-11 01:56 PM |
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Many people in this country |
Drale |
Jan-02-11 01:59 PM |
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I'm happy to kick and recommend this information once again. |
LWolf |
Jan-02-11 02:07 PM |
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So our teachers should be required to get advanced degrees and more rigorous preparation |
stray cat |
Jan-02-11 02:19 PM |
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Actually, we already have many teachers with advanced degrees. |
LWolf |
Jan-02-11 02:49 PM |
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This sort of info should be a permanent fixture of the home page. nt |
snagglepuss |
Jan-02-11 02:36 PM |
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They don't take standardized tests, except when they are taking standardized tests |
Taitertots |
Jan-02-11 02:53 PM |
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Wrong. |
LWolf |
Jan-02-11 03:44 PM |
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What is higher stakes than determining if you go to college? |
Taitertots |
Jan-02-11 03:53 PM |
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Determining what school you go to, what kind of teachers are allowed |
LWolf |
Jan-02-11 04:08 PM |
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So |
Still a Democrat |
Jan-02-11 04:20 PM |
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Well stated |
customerserviceguy |
Jan-02-11 04:40 PM |
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Completely agree about social problems and ethnic diversity being challenges |
Still a Democrat |
Jan-02-11 04:55 PM |
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I was hoping that you'd find |
customerserviceguy |
Jan-02-11 05:25 PM |
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My number one reason for the problems of education |
Yupster |
Jan-03-11 09:53 AM |
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High-stakes tests...bad. Period. |
LWolf |
Jan-02-11 05:37 PM |
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Oh, I understand perfectly |
Still a Democrat |
Jan-02-11 06:09 PM |
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Low-stakes tests don't have ramifications for students, |
LWolf |
Jan-02-11 06:19 PM |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Jan-02-11 06:27 PM |
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So do you believe in accountability for teachers and schools? |
Still a Democrat |
Jan-03-11 07:51 AM |
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I believe in results and data. |
kenfrequed |
Jan-03-11 11:12 AM |
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Of course I do. |
LWolf |
Jan-04-11 07:44 AM |
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I wish that you and everyone with your ideas would |
roody |
Jan-02-11 10:57 PM |
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There is nothing wrong with accountability. |
Kajsa |
Jan-03-11 09:36 AM |
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Ok |
kenfrequed |
Jan-03-11 11:07 AM |
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US colleges typically require sats or comparable tests. graduate schools typically require |
Hannah Bell |
Jan-02-11 06:34 PM |
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Yes, because there is such a thing as individual aptitude for college |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Jan-03-11 10:13 AM |
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Those are all determined by testing, it is in the article |
Taitertots |
Jan-02-11 05:51 PM |
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??? |
LWolf |
Jan-02-11 06:10 PM |
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Lets see if this clears it up |
Taitertots |
Jan-02-11 06:39 PM |
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Okay. |
LWolf |
Jan-04-11 07:38 AM |
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Your second sentence isn't necessarily a bad thing |
JackintheGreen |
Jan-03-11 07:36 AM |
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Hmm that reminds me of something... |
kenfrequed |
Jan-03-11 11:20 AM |
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Recommend |
xchrom |
Jan-02-11 02:20 PM |
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Fifth, everyone in Finland |
Zorra |
Jan-02-11 02:43 PM |
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Bad, perhaps |
ChazII |
Jan-02-11 02:48 PM |
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They're in Finland, for a start... n/t |
Davis_X_Machina |
Jan-02-11 03:16 PM |
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They're also teaching a small culturally and linguistically homogeneous |
Codeine |
Jan-02-11 03:18 PM |
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Languages in the New York City School system... |
Ikonoklast |
Jan-02-11 05:25 PM |
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How many languages are spoken in Wichita, Kansas? |
liberation |
Jan-02-11 10:44 PM |
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14% of all students in Wichita are not native English speakers. |
Ikonoklast |
Jan-03-11 04:11 PM |
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Quite a few actually |
proud2BlibKansan |
Jan-03-11 04:11 PM |
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Please explain what differences in policy the heterogeneity of US schools requires. |
JackRiddler |
Jan-03-11 01:44 AM |
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I don't think it requires a different policy at all. |
Codeine |
Jan-03-11 09:45 AM |
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Okay, thanks for clearing that up. |
JackRiddler |
Jan-03-11 10:31 AM |
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But it would be an improvement. |
kenfrequed |
Jan-03-11 11:24 AM |
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Not really. There is a Swedish-speaking minority in Finland, |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Jan-03-11 10:15 AM |
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This is true, Lydia. |
Kajsa |
Jan-03-11 12:17 PM |
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Bingo. |
Demoiselle |
Jan-03-11 11:06 AM |
#77 |
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Are you kidding? With nearly our entire population glued to the TV six or more |
Lorien |
Jan-03-11 12:25 PM |
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k&r! |
Starry Messenger |
Jan-02-11 03:20 PM |
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except they leave out a big one - homogeneity |
hfojvt |
Jan-02-11 04:09 PM |
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From Linda Darling-Hammond: |
LWolf |
Jan-02-11 05:52 PM |
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+100. |
Hannah Bell |
Jan-02-11 06:52 PM |
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no, I think a key there is still "most immigrants are from places like Sweden" |
hfojvt |
Jan-03-11 11:30 AM |
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The data is a crock. |
LWolf |
Jan-04-11 07:19 AM |
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Yep, exactly. nt |
Lorien |
Jan-03-11 12:26 PM |
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They are leaving it out because correlation does not imply causation. |
liberation |
Jan-02-11 10:36 PM |
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that doesnt make sense. if you have such a wide and clear difference |
seabeyond |
Jan-03-11 08:40 AM |
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You're right, trying to push racist BS makes much more sense than basic mathematical logic... |
liberation |
Jan-03-11 09:23 AM |
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there is a problem that needs to be addressed for the health and welfare of these groups |
seabeyond |
Jan-03-11 09:26 AM |
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How exactly was I "burying my head?" |
liberation |
Jan-03-11 12:11 PM |
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right, it is racist BS to note we have a "brutal racial history" |
hfojvt |
Jan-03-11 11:38 AM |
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No, that is indeed not racist. That is also not what the previous poster implied. |
liberation |
Jan-03-11 12:21 PM |
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why do you mention "lowering academic standards"? |
hfojvt |
Jan-03-11 03:36 PM |
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Sobering assessment |
XemaSab |
Jan-03-11 02:39 PM |
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U.S. public-school principals/supers were all classroom teachers. |
WinkyDink |
Jan-02-11 04:10 PM |
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That's not true |
proud2BlibKansan |
Jan-02-11 04:45 PM |
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In Wisconsin, and I'm guessing Minnesota (which is where I |
Lifelong Protester |
Jan-02-11 05:40 PM |
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That USED to be the rule in every state, IIRC |
proud2BlibKansan |
Jan-02-11 06:23 PM |
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I've been a teacher for 37 years, and I don't know of one single admin ... |
11 Bravo |
Jan-02-11 08:01 PM |
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In my 28 year career, |
LWolf |
Jan-02-11 05:57 PM |
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In the past, yes. |
Reader Rabbit |
Jan-02-11 10:04 PM |
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No mention of parents? |
Still a Democrat |
Jan-02-11 04:13 PM |
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Just need a political party that gets it n/t |
upi402 |
Jan-02-11 04:31 PM |
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That almost seems like common sense, aye? |
xor |
Jan-02-11 04:43 PM |
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A small, homogeneous population with a cultural history of respecting education helps, too. |
Brickbat |
Jan-02-11 04:57 PM |
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Wonderful posthockery. |
Igel |
Jan-02-11 06:02 PM |
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excellent post. we never point out the difference that explain, we just say |
seabeyond |
Jan-03-11 08:45 AM |
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Best post of the thread |
Stuckinthebush |
Jan-03-11 03:28 PM |
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Would they allow Arne Duncan to be Sec of Ed in Finland? |
vssmith |
Jan-02-11 07:57 PM |
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Not no, but, |
chervilant |
Jan-03-11 08:29 AM |
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"Finland's Schools are Better Than Ours" |
MilesColtrane |
Jan-02-11 09:50 PM |
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Massachusetts' schools are better than Finland's |
MannyGoldstein |
Jan-02-11 09:50 PM |
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I'm surprised to hear that. |
avaistheone1 |
Jan-03-11 01:29 AM |
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Wow. |
Codeine |
Jan-03-11 10:25 AM |
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"waiting for superman", continually talks about Finland, yet never offers the Finnish solutions, |
grahamhgreen |
Jan-02-11 10:30 PM |
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It's almost like education isn't the same as widget-making. |
DirkGently |
Jan-02-11 10:34 PM |
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And that it isn't only intended to lead to a life of widget making |
Lorien |
Jan-03-11 12:17 PM |
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Heresy! 8) |
DirkGently |
Jan-03-11 11:55 PM |
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Only 10% of the 5000 applicants each year are accepted to the faculties of education in |
avaistheone1 |
Jan-03-11 01:27 AM |
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Let's exchange language homogeneity with the metric system. OK? |
Loudmxr |
Jan-03-11 01:39 AM |
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Thank you, Lorien. K&R! |
Enthusiast |
Jan-03-11 04:58 AM |
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Cubas are too |
dipsydoodle |
Jan-03-11 06:54 AM |
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Recommended. nt |
TBF |
Jan-03-11 07:01 AM |
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K&R ! //nt |
Overseas |
Jan-03-11 08:46 AM |
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We're too busy assessing students instead of teaching. Finland has FREE schools through university |
2 Much Tribulation |
Jan-03-11 09:00 AM |
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Excellent - Thanks for posting this!!! |
Sparkly |
Jan-03-11 09:55 AM |
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This assumes that everyone wants to really improve public education. |
baldguy |
Jan-03-11 10:14 AM |
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K&R n/t |
DeSwiss |
Jan-03-11 12:03 PM |
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Of course Arne Duncan and this administration are bought and paid for by corporations... |
Fearless |
Jan-03-11 12:33 PM |
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Kicked and recommended. |
Uncle Joe |
Jan-03-11 12:35 PM |
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Latecomer to this thread but |
teacher gal |
Jan-04-11 12:12 AM |
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For millionth time: we can't compare the US to those countries |
Nevernose |
Jan-04-11 07:56 AM |
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yup. repeated over and over, yet ignored. nt |
seabeyond |
Jan-04-11 08:10 AM |
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