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Kajsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-03-11 12:17 PM
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86. This is true, Lydia.
When I was in Helsinki and Turku back
in 1971, the street signs were in Finnish
and Swedish.

Most Finns I met spoke Swedish very well.
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  -Four Reasons Finlands Schools are Better Than Ours Lorien  Jan-02-11 01:56 PM   #0 
  - Many people in this country  Drale   Jan-02-11 01:59 PM   #1 
  - I'm happy to kick and recommend this information once again.  LWolf   Jan-02-11 02:07 PM   #2 
  - So our teachers should be required to get advanced degrees and more rigorous preparation  stray cat   Jan-02-11 02:19 PM   #3 
  - Actually, we already have many teachers with advanced degrees.  LWolf   Jan-02-11 02:49 PM   #8 
  - This sort of info should be a permanent fixture of the home page. nt  snagglepuss   Jan-02-11 02:36 PM   #5 
  - They don't take standardized tests, except when they are taking standardized tests  Taitertots   Jan-02-11 02:53 PM   #9 
     - Wrong.  LWolf   Jan-02-11 03:44 PM   #13 
     - What is higher stakes than determining if you go to college?  Taitertots   Jan-02-11 03:53 PM   #14 
        - Determining what school you go to, what kind of teachers are allowed  LWolf   Jan-02-11 04:08 PM   #15 
           - So  Still a Democrat   Jan-02-11 04:20 PM   #19 
           - Well stated  customerserviceguy   Jan-02-11 04:40 PM   #21 
           - Completely agree about social problems and ethnic diversity being challenges  Still a Democrat   Jan-02-11 04:55 PM   #24 
           - I was hoping that you'd find  customerserviceguy   Jan-02-11 05:25 PM   #26 
           - My number one reason for the problems of education  Yupster   Jan-03-11 09:53 AM   #70 
           - High-stakes tests...bad. Period.  LWolf   Jan-02-11 05:37 PM   #28 
           - Oh, I understand perfectly  Still a Democrat   Jan-02-11 06:09 PM   #34 
              - Low-stakes tests don't have ramifications for students,  LWolf   Jan-02-11 06:19 PM   #36 
              - Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-02-11 06:27 PM   #38 
              - So do you believe in accountability for teachers and schools?  Still a Democrat   Jan-03-11 07:51 AM   #60 
                 - I believe in results and data.  kenfrequed   Jan-03-11 11:12 AM   #79 
                 - Of course I do.  LWolf   Jan-04-11 07:44 AM   #102 
              - I wish that you and everyone with your ideas would  roody   Jan-02-11 10:57 PM   #51 
              - There is nothing wrong with accountability.  Kajsa   Jan-03-11 09:36 AM   #68 
              - Ok  kenfrequed   Jan-03-11 11:07 AM   #78 
           - US colleges typically require sats or comparable tests. graduate schools typically require  Hannah Bell   Jan-02-11 06:34 PM   #39 
           - Yes, because there is such a thing as individual aptitude for college  Lydia Leftcoast   Jan-03-11 10:13 AM   #72 
           - Those are all determined by testing, it is in the article  Taitertots   Jan-02-11 05:51 PM   #30 
              - ???  LWolf   Jan-02-11 06:10 PM   #35 
                 - Lets see if this clears it up  Taitertots   Jan-02-11 06:39 PM   #40 
                    - Okay.  LWolf   Jan-04-11 07:38 AM   #101 
     - Your second sentence isn't necessarily a bad thing  JackintheGreen   Jan-03-11 07:36 AM   #59 
        - Hmm that reminds me of something...  kenfrequed   Jan-03-11 11:20 AM   #80 
  - Recommend  xchrom   Jan-02-11 02:20 PM   #4 
  - Fifth, everyone in Finland  Zorra   Jan-02-11 02:43 PM   #6 
  - Bad, perhaps  ChazII   Jan-02-11 02:48 PM   #7 
  - They're in Finland, for a start... n/t  Davis_X_Machina   Jan-02-11 03:16 PM   #10 
  - They're also teaching a small culturally and linguistically homogeneous  Codeine   Jan-02-11 03:18 PM   #11 
  - Languages in the New York City School system...  Ikonoklast   Jan-02-11 05:25 PM   #27 
  - How many languages are spoken in Wichita, Kansas?  liberation   Jan-02-11 10:44 PM   #50 
     - 14% of all students in Wichita are not native English speakers.  Ikonoklast   Jan-03-11 04:11 PM   #96 
     - Quite a few actually  proud2BlibKansan   Jan-03-11 04:11 PM   #97 
  - Please explain what differences in policy the heterogeneity of US schools requires.  JackRiddler   Jan-03-11 01:44 AM   #55 
  - I don't think it requires a different policy at all.  Codeine   Jan-03-11 09:45 AM   #69 
     - Okay, thanks for clearing that up.  JackRiddler   Jan-03-11 10:31 AM   #76 
     - But it would be an improvement.  kenfrequed   Jan-03-11 11:24 AM   #81 
  - Not really. There is a Swedish-speaking minority in Finland,  Lydia Leftcoast   Jan-03-11 10:15 AM   #74 
  - This is true, Lydia.  Kajsa   Jan-03-11 12:17 PM   #86 
  - Bingo.  Demoiselle   Jan-03-11 11:06 AM   #77 
     - Are you kidding? With nearly our entire population glued to the TV six or more  Lorien   Jan-03-11 12:25 PM   #89 
  - k&r!  Starry Messenger   Jan-02-11 03:20 PM   #12 
  - except they leave out a big one - homogeneity  hfojvt   Jan-02-11 04:09 PM   #16 
  - From Linda Darling-Hammond:  LWolf   Jan-02-11 05:52 PM   #31 
  - +100.  Hannah Bell   Jan-02-11 06:52 PM   #41 
  - no, I think a key there is still "most immigrants are from places like Sweden"  hfojvt   Jan-03-11 11:30 AM   #82 
  - The data is a crock.  LWolf   Jan-04-11 07:19 AM   #100 
  - Yep, exactly. nt  Lorien   Jan-03-11 12:26 PM   #90 
  - They are leaving it out because correlation does not imply causation.  liberation   Jan-02-11 10:36 PM   #49 
  - that doesnt make sense. if you have such a wide and clear difference  seabeyond   Jan-03-11 08:40 AM   #62 
     - You're right, trying to push racist BS makes much more sense than basic mathematical logic...  liberation   Jan-03-11 09:23 AM   #66 
        - there is a problem that needs to be addressed for the health and welfare of these groups  seabeyond   Jan-03-11 09:26 AM   #67 
        - How exactly was I "burying my head?"  liberation   Jan-03-11 12:11 PM   #85 
        - right, it is racist BS to note we have a "brutal racial history"  hfojvt   Jan-03-11 11:38 AM   #83 
           - No, that is indeed not racist. That is also not what the previous poster implied.  liberation   Jan-03-11 12:21 PM   #88 
              - why do you mention "lowering academic standards"?  hfojvt   Jan-03-11 03:36 PM   #95 
  - Sobering assessment  XemaSab   Jan-03-11 02:39 PM   #93 
  - U.S. public-school principals/supers were all classroom teachers.  WinkyDink   Jan-02-11 04:10 PM   #17 
  - That's not true  proud2BlibKansan   Jan-02-11 04:45 PM   #23 
  - In Wisconsin, and I'm guessing Minnesota (which is where I  Lifelong Protester   Jan-02-11 05:40 PM   #29 
  - That USED to be the rule in every state, IIRC  proud2BlibKansan   Jan-02-11 06:23 PM   #37 
  - I've been a teacher for 37 years, and I don't know of one single admin ...  11 Bravo   Jan-02-11 08:01 PM   #43 
  - In my 28 year career,  LWolf   Jan-02-11 05:57 PM   #32 
  - In the past, yes.  Reader Rabbit   Jan-02-11 10:04 PM   #46 
  - No mention of parents?  Still a Democrat   Jan-02-11 04:13 PM   #18 
  - Just need a political party that gets it n/t  upi402   Jan-02-11 04:31 PM   #20 
  - That almost seems like common sense, aye?  xor   Jan-02-11 04:43 PM   #22 
  - A small, homogeneous population with a cultural history of respecting education helps, too.  Brickbat   Jan-02-11 04:57 PM   #25 
  - Wonderful posthockery.  Igel   Jan-02-11 06:02 PM   #33 
  - excellent post. we never point out the difference that explain, we just say  seabeyond   Jan-03-11 08:45 AM   #63 
  - Best post of the thread  Stuckinthebush   Jan-03-11 03:28 PM   #94 
  - Would they allow Arne Duncan to be Sec of Ed in Finland?  vssmith   Jan-02-11 07:57 PM   #42 
  - Not no, but,  chervilant   Jan-03-11 08:29 AM   #61 
  - "Finland's Schools are Better Than Ours"  MilesColtrane   Jan-02-11 09:50 PM   #44 
  - Massachusetts' schools are better than Finland's  MannyGoldstein   Jan-02-11 09:50 PM   #45 
  - I'm surprised to hear that.  avaistheone1   Jan-03-11 01:29 AM   #53 
  - Wow.  Codeine   Jan-03-11 10:25 AM   #75 
  - "waiting for superman", continually talks about Finland, yet never offers the Finnish solutions,  grahamhgreen   Jan-02-11 10:30 PM   #47 
  - It's almost like education isn't the same as widget-making.  DirkGently   Jan-02-11 10:34 PM   #48 
  - And that it isn't only intended to lead to a life of widget making  Lorien   Jan-03-11 12:17 PM   #87 
     - Heresy! 8)  DirkGently   Jan-03-11 11:55 PM   #98 
  - Only 10% of the 5000 applicants each year are accepted to the faculties of education in  avaistheone1   Jan-03-11 01:27 AM   #52 
  - Let's exchange language homogeneity with the metric system. OK?  Loudmxr   Jan-03-11 01:39 AM   #54 
  - Thank you, Lorien. K&R!  Enthusiast   Jan-03-11 04:58 AM   #56 
  - Cubas are too  dipsydoodle   Jan-03-11 06:54 AM   #57 
  - Recommended. nt  TBF   Jan-03-11 07:01 AM   #58 
  - K&R ! //nt  Overseas   Jan-03-11 08:46 AM   #64 
  - We're too busy assessing students instead of teaching. Finland has FREE schools through university  2 Much Tribulation   Jan-03-11 09:00 AM   #65 
  - Excellent - Thanks for posting this!!!  Sparkly   Jan-03-11 09:55 AM   #71 
  - This assumes that everyone wants to really improve public education.  baldguy   Jan-03-11 10:14 AM   #73 
  - K&R n/t  DeSwiss   Jan-03-11 12:03 PM   #84 
  - Of course Arne Duncan and this administration are bought and paid for by corporations...  Fearless   Jan-03-11 12:33 PM   #91 
  - Kicked and recommended.  Uncle Joe   Jan-03-11 12:35 PM   #92 
  - Latecomer to this thread but  teacher gal   Jan-04-11 12:12 AM   #99 
  - For millionth time: we can't compare the US to those countries  Nevernose   Jan-04-11 07:56 AM   #103 
     - yup. repeated over and over, yet ignored. nt  seabeyond   Jan-04-11 08:10 AM   #104 
 

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