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| 45. Massachusetts' schools are better than Finland's |
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Edited on Sun Jan-02-11 09:51 PM by MannyGoldstein
We kicked Finland's butt: http://www.doe.mass.edu/news/news.aspx?id=4457 But does anyone look to Mass schools as an example of a tried-and-true example of how to do things? Nah. Instead, we have Duncan's experiment - who knows how that will work out. |
| -Four Reasons Finland’s Schools are Better Than Ours |
Lorien |
Jan-02-11 01:56 PM |
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Many people in this country |
Drale |
Jan-02-11 01:59 PM |
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I'm happy to kick and recommend this information once again. |
LWolf |
Jan-02-11 02:07 PM |
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So our teachers should be required to get advanced degrees and more rigorous preparation |
stray cat |
Jan-02-11 02:19 PM |
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Actually, we already have many teachers with advanced degrees. |
LWolf |
Jan-02-11 02:49 PM |
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This sort of info should be a permanent fixture of the home page. nt |
snagglepuss |
Jan-02-11 02:36 PM |
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They don't take standardized tests, except when they are taking standardized tests |
Taitertots |
Jan-02-11 02:53 PM |
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Wrong. |
LWolf |
Jan-02-11 03:44 PM |
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What is higher stakes than determining if you go to college? |
Taitertots |
Jan-02-11 03:53 PM |
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Determining what school you go to, what kind of teachers are allowed |
LWolf |
Jan-02-11 04:08 PM |
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So |
Still a Democrat |
Jan-02-11 04:20 PM |
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Well stated |
customerserviceguy |
Jan-02-11 04:40 PM |
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Completely agree about social problems and ethnic diversity being challenges |
Still a Democrat |
Jan-02-11 04:55 PM |
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I was hoping that you'd find |
customerserviceguy |
Jan-02-11 05:25 PM |
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My number one reason for the problems of education |
Yupster |
Jan-03-11 09:53 AM |
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High-stakes tests...bad. Period. |
LWolf |
Jan-02-11 05:37 PM |
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Oh, I understand perfectly |
Still a Democrat |
Jan-02-11 06:09 PM |
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Low-stakes tests don't have ramifications for students, |
LWolf |
Jan-02-11 06:19 PM |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Jan-02-11 06:27 PM |
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So do you believe in accountability for teachers and schools? |
Still a Democrat |
Jan-03-11 07:51 AM |
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I believe in results and data. |
kenfrequed |
Jan-03-11 11:12 AM |
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Of course I do. |
LWolf |
Jan-04-11 07:44 AM |
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I wish that you and everyone with your ideas would |
roody |
Jan-02-11 10:57 PM |
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There is nothing wrong with accountability. |
Kajsa |
Jan-03-11 09:36 AM |
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Ok |
kenfrequed |
Jan-03-11 11:07 AM |
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US colleges typically require sats or comparable tests. graduate schools typically require |
Hannah Bell |
Jan-02-11 06:34 PM |
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Yes, because there is such a thing as individual aptitude for college |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Jan-03-11 10:13 AM |
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Those are all determined by testing, it is in the article |
Taitertots |
Jan-02-11 05:51 PM |
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??? |
LWolf |
Jan-02-11 06:10 PM |
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Lets see if this clears it up |
Taitertots |
Jan-02-11 06:39 PM |
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Okay. |
LWolf |
Jan-04-11 07:38 AM |
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Your second sentence isn't necessarily a bad thing |
JackintheGreen |
Jan-03-11 07:36 AM |
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Hmm that reminds me of something... |
kenfrequed |
Jan-03-11 11:20 AM |
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Recommend |
xchrom |
Jan-02-11 02:20 PM |
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Fifth, everyone in Finland |
Zorra |
Jan-02-11 02:43 PM |
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Bad, perhaps |
ChazII |
Jan-02-11 02:48 PM |
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They're in Finland, for a start... n/t |
Davis_X_Machina |
Jan-02-11 03:16 PM |
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They're also teaching a small culturally and linguistically homogeneous |
Codeine |
Jan-02-11 03:18 PM |
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Languages in the New York City School system... |
Ikonoklast |
Jan-02-11 05:25 PM |
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How many languages are spoken in Wichita, Kansas? |
liberation |
Jan-02-11 10:44 PM |
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14% of all students in Wichita are not native English speakers. |
Ikonoklast |
Jan-03-11 04:11 PM |
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Quite a few actually |
proud2BlibKansan |
Jan-03-11 04:11 PM |
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Please explain what differences in policy the heterogeneity of US schools requires. |
JackRiddler |
Jan-03-11 01:44 AM |
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I don't think it requires a different policy at all. |
Codeine |
Jan-03-11 09:45 AM |
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Okay, thanks for clearing that up. |
JackRiddler |
Jan-03-11 10:31 AM |
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But it would be an improvement. |
kenfrequed |
Jan-03-11 11:24 AM |
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Not really. There is a Swedish-speaking minority in Finland, |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Jan-03-11 10:15 AM |
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This is true, Lydia. |
Kajsa |
Jan-03-11 12:17 PM |
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Bingo. |
Demoiselle |
Jan-03-11 11:06 AM |
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Are you kidding? With nearly our entire population glued to the TV six or more |
Lorien |
Jan-03-11 12:25 PM |
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k&r! |
Starry Messenger |
Jan-02-11 03:20 PM |
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except they leave out a big one - homogeneity |
hfojvt |
Jan-02-11 04:09 PM |
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From Linda Darling-Hammond: |
LWolf |
Jan-02-11 05:52 PM |
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+100. |
Hannah Bell |
Jan-02-11 06:52 PM |
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no, I think a key there is still "most immigrants are from places like Sweden" |
hfojvt |
Jan-03-11 11:30 AM |
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The data is a crock. |
LWolf |
Jan-04-11 07:19 AM |
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Yep, exactly. nt |
Lorien |
Jan-03-11 12:26 PM |
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They are leaving it out because correlation does not imply causation. |
liberation |
Jan-02-11 10:36 PM |
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that doesnt make sense. if you have such a wide and clear difference |
seabeyond |
Jan-03-11 08:40 AM |
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You're right, trying to push racist BS makes much more sense than basic mathematical logic... |
liberation |
Jan-03-11 09:23 AM |
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there is a problem that needs to be addressed for the health and welfare of these groups |
seabeyond |
Jan-03-11 09:26 AM |
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How exactly was I "burying my head?" |
liberation |
Jan-03-11 12:11 PM |
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right, it is racist BS to note we have a "brutal racial history" |
hfojvt |
Jan-03-11 11:38 AM |
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No, that is indeed not racist. That is also not what the previous poster implied. |
liberation |
Jan-03-11 12:21 PM |
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why do you mention "lowering academic standards"? |
hfojvt |
Jan-03-11 03:36 PM |
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Sobering assessment |
XemaSab |
Jan-03-11 02:39 PM |
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U.S. public-school principals/supers were all classroom teachers. |
WinkyDink |
Jan-02-11 04:10 PM |
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That's not true |
proud2BlibKansan |
Jan-02-11 04:45 PM |
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In Wisconsin, and I'm guessing Minnesota (which is where I |
Lifelong Protester |
Jan-02-11 05:40 PM |
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That USED to be the rule in every state, IIRC |
proud2BlibKansan |
Jan-02-11 06:23 PM |
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I've been a teacher for 37 years, and I don't know of one single admin ... |
11 Bravo |
Jan-02-11 08:01 PM |
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In my 28 year career, |
LWolf |
Jan-02-11 05:57 PM |
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In the past, yes. |
Reader Rabbit |
Jan-02-11 10:04 PM |
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No mention of parents? |
Still a Democrat |
Jan-02-11 04:13 PM |
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Just need a political party that gets it n/t |
upi402 |
Jan-02-11 04:31 PM |
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That almost seems like common sense, aye? |
xor |
Jan-02-11 04:43 PM |
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A small, homogeneous population with a cultural history of respecting education helps, too. |
Brickbat |
Jan-02-11 04:57 PM |
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Wonderful posthockery. |
Igel |
Jan-02-11 06:02 PM |
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excellent post. we never point out the difference that explain, we just say |
seabeyond |
Jan-03-11 08:45 AM |
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Best post of the thread |
Stuckinthebush |
Jan-03-11 03:28 PM |
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Would they allow Arne Duncan to be Sec of Ed in Finland? |
vssmith |
Jan-02-11 07:57 PM |
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Not no, but, |
chervilant |
Jan-03-11 08:29 AM |
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"Finland's Schools are Better Than Ours" |
MilesColtrane |
Jan-02-11 09:50 PM |
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Massachusetts' schools are better than Finland's |
MannyGoldstein |
Jan-02-11 09:50 PM |
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I'm surprised to hear that. |
avaistheone1 |
Jan-03-11 01:29 AM |
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Wow. |
Codeine |
Jan-03-11 10:25 AM |
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"waiting for superman", continually talks about Finland, yet never offers the Finnish solutions, |
grahamhgreen |
Jan-02-11 10:30 PM |
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It's almost like education isn't the same as widget-making. |
DirkGently |
Jan-02-11 10:34 PM |
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And that it isn't only intended to lead to a life of widget making |
Lorien |
Jan-03-11 12:17 PM |
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Heresy! 8) |
DirkGently |
Jan-03-11 11:55 PM |
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Only 10% of the 5000 applicants each year are accepted to the faculties of education in |
avaistheone1 |
Jan-03-11 01:27 AM |
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Let's exchange language homogeneity with the metric system. OK? |
Loudmxr |
Jan-03-11 01:39 AM |
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Thank you, Lorien. K&R! |
Enthusiast |
Jan-03-11 04:58 AM |
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Cubas are too |
dipsydoodle |
Jan-03-11 06:54 AM |
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Recommended. nt |
TBF |
Jan-03-11 07:01 AM |
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K&R ! //nt |
Overseas |
Jan-03-11 08:46 AM |
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We're too busy assessing students instead of teaching. Finland has FREE schools through university |
2 Much Tribulation |
Jan-03-11 09:00 AM |
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Excellent - Thanks for posting this!!! |
Sparkly |
Jan-03-11 09:55 AM |
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This assumes that everyone wants to really improve public education. |
baldguy |
Jan-03-11 10:14 AM |
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K&R n/t |
DeSwiss |
Jan-03-11 12:03 PM |
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Of course Arne Duncan and this administration are bought and paid for by corporations... |
Fearless |
Jan-03-11 12:33 PM |
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Kicked and recommended. |
Uncle Joe |
Jan-03-11 12:35 PM |
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Latecomer to this thread but |
teacher gal |
Jan-04-11 12:12 AM |
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For millionth time: we can't compare the US to those countries |
Nevernose |
Jan-04-11 07:56 AM |
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yup. repeated over and over, yet ignored. nt |
seabeyond |
Jan-04-11 08:10 AM |
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