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Mon Dec-13-10 08:55 AM
Response to Reply #19 |
| -Columbia professor arrested for incest with daughter |
cowcommander |
Dec-13-10 01:17 AM |
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I wasn't expecting the alleged incest to begin when she was 20 years old. |
ZombieHorde |
Dec-13-10 01:20 AM |
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Minors are the most vulnerable, but MacKenzie Philips is an example of |
No Elephants |
Dec-13-10 02:07 AM |
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what we all mess out on is the years as a child and teen in manipulation, |
seabeyond |
Dec-13-10 10:45 AM |
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Excellent points. nt |
ZombieHorde |
Dec-13-10 12:22 PM |
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Two consenting adults. nt |
guruoo |
Dec-13-10 01:26 AM |
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I hope that's sarcasm. |
No Elephants |
Dec-13-10 02:08 AM |
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Do not think so... |
Rebubula |
Dec-13-10 09:00 AM |
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you took the saying "incest is best" to heart didn't you |
snooper2 |
Dec-13-10 10:16 AM |
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I could see this law, when applied to two consenting and mentally competent adults, being... |
Poll_Blind |
Dec-13-10 01:38 AM |
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That's what I was thinking---the law may be overturned concerning consenting adults? nt |
Mist |
Dec-13-10 01:58 AM |
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Good grief. no. |
No Elephants |
Dec-13-10 02:22 AM |
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No, anymore than when a 10 year old "consents" to sex./ |
No Elephants |
Dec-13-10 02:09 AM |
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I don't think it can be looked at as consenting adults. |
hardcover |
Dec-13-10 02:14 AM |
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+ 1 and welcome to DU |
no_hypocrisy |
Dec-13-10 06:09 AM |
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Consenting adults sure, but.... |
Arrowhead2k1 |
Dec-13-10 01:40 AM |
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Agreed...This is truly repulsive...as in "sickening". n/t |
whathehell |
Dec-13-10 05:42 AM |
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Disgusting |
connecticut yankee |
Dec-13-10 07:47 AM |
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Yup. |
whathehell |
Dec-13-10 07:51 AM |
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ONE count? Three years, one count? How does that happen. For a sexual relationship to be said |
No Elephants |
Dec-13-10 02:18 AM |
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Stupid law. Why wasn't the daughter charged? |
Behind the Aegis |
Dec-13-10 02:22 AM |
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The law refuses to recognize "consent" in some cases--and for very good reasons. |
No Elephants |
Dec-13-10 02:28 AM |
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So both should have been charged? Neither? |
Behind the Aegis |
Dec-13-10 02:30 AM |
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Apparently the idea is that there's an inappropriate power relationship |
Capitalocracy |
Dec-13-10 02:47 AM |
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There is a huge problem though. |
Behind the Aegis |
Dec-13-10 02:55 AM |
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And you don't think "consent" can be the result of power? |
aquart |
Dec-13-10 03:32 AM |
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You bet I am fucking serious. |
Behind the Aegis |
Dec-13-10 03:37 AM |
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these cases aren't all that unusual |
cali |
Dec-13-10 04:28 AM |
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Then, it is an imbalanced law. |
Behind the Aegis |
Dec-13-10 04:41 AM |
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maybe. I don't think so |
cali |
Dec-13-10 05:07 AM |
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You seem not to know much by your comments. |
Behind the Aegis |
Dec-13-10 05:13 AM |
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Umm |
Recursion |
Dec-13-10 09:00 AM |
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Deleted sub-thread |
Name removed |
Dec-13-10 02:59 AM |
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Because fucking your kids is something society frowns upon |
snooper2 |
Dec-13-10 10:44 AM |
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Society has specific rules about who can fuck whom |
marshall |
Dec-14-10 06:03 PM |
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How disappointing that you find this thread "messed up". Life may not be quite as cut and dried as |
rhett o rick |
Dec-13-10 09:04 AM |
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The charge isn't rape; "consent" isn't the legally operative fact, therefore. |
Romulox |
Dec-13-10 10:58 AM |
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Because all women should be treated as "victims" according to some people. |
Democat |
Dec-13-10 03:01 AM |
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BS. |
No Elephants |
Dec-13-10 03:18 AM |
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+1 |
Celebration |
Dec-13-10 08:55 AM |
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Not the same thing. To say that there was an imbalance of power in this relationship |
ehrnst |
Dec-13-10 07:20 AM |
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So your argument is that relationships shouldnt be allowed if there is an imbalance of power? |
rhett o rick |
Dec-13-10 09:01 AM |
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Perhaps the way that it's measured by psychologists that ban |
ehrnst |
Dec-13-10 01:37 PM |
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Well, I make double what my fiance makes. |
blueamy66 |
Dec-13-10 09:44 AM |
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This would apply to mother and son just as well. (nt) |
ehrnst |
Dec-13-10 07:34 AM |
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Clinton is not blood-related to, let alone the sire of, Ms. Lewinsky. |
WinkyDink |
Dec-13-10 09:18 AM |
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as president he might have been slightly more powerful than a mere intern |
pitohui |
Dec-13-10 03:18 PM |
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yes, imagine thinking that a child raised by a man willing to have sex with his child |
La Lioness Priyanka |
Dec-13-10 09:41 AM |
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I agree |
Alcibiades |
Dec-13-10 11:02 AM |
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had this been mother and child, i would have supported prosecution for just the mother too |
La Lioness Priyanka |
Dec-13-10 01:26 PM |
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His age is listed as 46. Hers supposedly is 24. |
LisaL |
Dec-13-10 04:14 PM |
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But then again, according to "some" people... |
whathehell |
Dec-13-10 10:48 AM |
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Have you heard of "parent-child"? The former is FOREVER considered the authority-figure. |
WinkyDink |
Dec-13-10 09:17 AM |
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Maybe a deal, due to agreeing to testify against him. |
treestar |
Dec-13-10 11:00 AM |
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Lack of consent. |
Statistical |
Dec-14-10 06:08 PM |
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ewww |
trud |
Dec-13-10 02:52 AM |
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I agree, a 20 year old is very young and still very much dependent |
hardcover |
Dec-13-10 03:29 AM |
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So basically, rewrite the laws of consent where your morals are offended. |
Behind the Aegis |
Dec-13-10 03:41 AM |
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Huh? |
Prophet 451 |
Dec-13-10 03:56 AM |
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20 millenia ago |
trud |
Dec-13-10 07:09 AM |
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What an odd case |
Prophet 451 |
Dec-13-10 03:49 AM |
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+1 ! |
Behind the Aegis |
Dec-13-10 03:54 AM |
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Thank you |
Prophet 451 |
Dec-13-10 04:02 AM |
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Your's is the best post in the thread. |
Behind the Aegis |
Dec-13-10 04:12 AM |
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Oh, my opinion was negative too |
Prophet 451 |
Dec-13-10 04:21 AM |
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Right there with ya! |
Behind the Aegis |
Dec-13-10 04:35 AM |
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No, we're not assuming that they can never be equals |
cali |
Dec-13-10 05:10 AM |
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Hang on |
Prophet 451 |
Dec-13-10 06:02 AM |
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You are asserting the daughter can never consent, so therefore you claim they are never equals |
muriel_volestrangler |
Dec-13-10 08:54 AM |
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No, they're simply not equal in this specific part of their relationship |
cali |
Dec-13-10 09:20 AM |
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"not equal in this specific part" means "not equal" |
muriel_volestrangler |
Dec-13-10 10:37 AM |
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Good analysis. |
TexasObserver |
Dec-13-10 05:42 AM |
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prison term |
trud |
Dec-13-10 07:12 AM |
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Ok, but... |
Prophet 451 |
Dec-13-10 07:23 AM |
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Thank you for this very rational post. |
distantearlywarning |
Dec-13-10 09:40 AM |
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ew, but it shouldn't be a jailable offence if it didn't involve a minor and was otherwise consensual |
eShirl |
Dec-13-10 05:21 AM |
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Should it be legislated between adults? What if it were 25 year old siblings? |
stray cat |
Dec-13-10 07:28 AM |
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It started when she was 21 years old |
FreakinDJ |
Dec-13-10 07:29 AM |
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I wondered why this would generate such Big Media hoopla |
Doctor_J |
Dec-13-10 07:37 AM |
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More information at link ... |
SlimJimmy |
Dec-13-10 07:39 AM |
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Every society needs some taboos, |
sulphurdunn |
Dec-13-10 08:06 AM |
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Because the thought makes you uncomfortable? |
AngryAmish |
Dec-13-10 08:27 AM |
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You post as though you are unaware of the concept of "cultural mores". |
WinkyDink |
Dec-13-10 09:16 AM |
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How "comfortable" are you with the thought? |
whathehell |
Dec-13-10 10:44 AM |
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Very uncomfortable |
AngryAmish |
Dec-13-10 10:48 AM |
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I'm glad to hear it. |
whathehell |
Dec-13-10 10:52 AM |
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There are no details...how can this even be discussed? n/t |
proReality |
Dec-13-10 08:16 AM |
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Well, for starters here's the picture of the father and daughter |
cowcommander |
Dec-13-10 08:44 AM |
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4chan or not... |
Rebubula |
Dec-13-10 09:06 AM |
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I dunno, it looks like him when he was thinner |
cowcommander |
Dec-13-10 09:22 AM |
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But the woman looks to be in her late teens early twenties and the man |
LisaL |
Dec-13-10 04:44 PM |
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Interesting topic and I am disappointed in those that think the topic doesnt deserve discussion. |
rhett o rick |
Dec-13-10 09:13 AM |
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"the ordeal" & "respected member of the academic community".. |
SoCalDem |
Dec-13-10 09:19 AM |
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Do some people NOT GET that the parent-child relationship has SPECIAL ATTRIBUTES, AND THUS TABOOS?? |
WinkyDink |
Dec-13-10 09:27 AM |
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The law against incest has nothing to do with "power" or "consent" |
Schema Thing |
Dec-13-10 09:48 AM |
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"Possibly" ?.....The taboo is universal and ancient and in place |
whathehell |
Dec-14-10 05:52 AM |
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Epstein is a big name in political science |
Alcibiades |
Dec-13-10 09:55 AM |
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what special relationship? they speak of "biological" father |
pitohui |
Dec-13-10 03:27 PM |
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He's her father. No "sperm donor", no "adoptive"---her FATHER. And the "special" simply means that |
WinkyDink |
Dec-14-10 06:08 AM |
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What everyone is dancing around is the comparison between this crime and adult homosexuality |
AngryAmish |
Dec-13-10 10:08 AM |
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Funny, I Thought We Were Dancing Around the Big Hedge Fund Guy Who's Not In Jail |
NashVegas |
Dec-13-10 10:22 AM |
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I trust that you don't have any daughters? |
Alcibiades |
Dec-13-10 10:32 AM |
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it said he was his biological father, there's no evidence he raised this girl |
pitohui |
Dec-13-10 03:31 PM |
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A parent child relationship doesn't stop just because a child |
LisaL |
Dec-13-10 11:04 AM |
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Currently loving this thread |
NuclearDem |
Dec-13-10 10:30 AM |
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Father daughter incest is more common than is publicly known. I am not shocked |
conspirator |
Dec-13-10 10:33 AM |
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er, yes it is a crime. |
cali |
Dec-13-10 10:38 AM |
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Not a crime according to my good sense. I am not saying is a good thing either |
conspirator |
Dec-13-10 11:01 AM |
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And your conclusion is based on...? |
whathehell |
Dec-13-10 10:42 AM |
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Incest certainly is a crime. |
LisaL |
Dec-13-10 10:57 AM |
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just a thought. to look at a child as potential sex partner has to create certain behaviors .... |
seabeyond |
Dec-13-10 10:50 AM |
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The incest taboo is one of the most ancient in human civilization. |
Romulox |
Dec-13-10 10:57 AM |
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A case of "Genetic Sexual Attraction"? |
marshall |
Dec-13-10 11:38 AM |
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He could be referred to as her biological father |
LisaL |
Dec-13-10 04:04 PM |
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I am repulsed and thoroughly unsurprised that DU thinks incest is a-okay |
WildEyedLiberal |
Dec-13-10 01:56 PM |
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and you thought YOU were a wild eyed liberal, lmao. |
seabeyond |
Dec-13-10 02:33 PM |
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Do not think... |
Rebubula |
Dec-13-10 03:34 PM |
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Of all the chicks in the world, he picks his DAUGHTER? |
Vickers |
Dec-13-10 02:00 PM |
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sounds like she picked him...adopted child seeks out "biological" father, hilarity ensues |
pitohui |
Dec-13-10 03:33 PM |
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Whatever makes you think she was in fact adopted. |
LisaL |
Dec-13-10 04:07 PM |
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There is no "adopted" here. |
WinkyDink |
Dec-14-10 06:04 AM |
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Not that I condone this relationship, this IS a relationship between adults, right? |
cleanhippie |
Dec-13-10 04:07 PM |
#112 |
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Because incest is illegal. |
LisaL |
Dec-13-10 04:14 PM |
#114 |
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See my post #70. And drop the disingenuousness. |
WinkyDink |
Dec-14-10 06:05 AM |
#118 |
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I feel so sorry for his daughter. He must have been abusing her for years. nt |
Liquorice |
Dec-14-10 06:35 PM |
#122 |
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