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Confusious Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-11 12:36 AM
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85. Read the piece
Edited on Sat May-07-11 12:45 AM by Confusious
My original statement still stands

"Bin laden was a declared combatant. The onerous was on him to surrender, not on the soldiers to figure out what his intentions were. I have no problems with the way he was taken out."

The only other thing I have to say is, if he had surrendered, he should be afforded a trial for their actions, as all the others in gitmo should be. Ad why would they get a trial if they are military combatants? Attacks on civilians. Illegal under the conventions, if they have no military purpose.

But he didn't. It doesn't matter that he was unarmed. An SS officer sipping tea in a french cafe could be shot simply for being. doesn't matter that he was unarmed.

The onerous was on him to surrender. He didn't. case closed.

Glenn Greenwald views it as a civil action. I view it as military action. The rules of action are different for each case.
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  -For those with no problem how OBL was killed quinnox  May-06-11 02:42 PM   #0 
  - I think it's kind of late to be asking this question...  JuniperLea   May-06-11 02:44 PM   #1 
  - Why is it always all or nothing with these people?  Solomon   May-06-11 03:03 PM   #17 
     - /shrug  Fuzz   May-06-11 03:05 PM   #20 
     - Like it's something completely foreign, totally new!  JuniperLea   May-06-11 03:06 PM   #21 
        - What other enemy leaders have we killed?  Rage for Order   May-06-11 05:09 PM   #57 
           - "WE" have attempted to kill OBL several times...  JuniperLea   May-06-11 06:13 PM   #72 
  - If Clinton had killed OBL in the "aspirin factory" bombing preventing 9/11 would you be upset?  dkf   May-06-11 02:45 PM   #2 
  - no, for sure not  quinnox   May-06-11 02:47 PM   #3 
  - Do what we need to when protecting us please.  dkf   May-06-11 02:50 PM   #7 
  - Anyone who kills 3000+ people...  JuniperLea   May-06-11 03:08 PM   # 
  - If Clinton had killed OBL it would have been incidental.  RichGirl   May-06-11 03:01 PM   # 
     - In my fantasy...  RichGirl   May-06-11 03:05 PM   #19 
     - You wouldn't, but for all those angered know, Obama just prevented the next 9/11.  dkf   May-06-11 04:00 PM   #46 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   May-06-11 05:20 PM   #59 
           - They don't want another 9/11. But they don't approve of what is done to prevent it.  dkf   May-06-11 06:22 PM   #74 
  - Wait, let me get a hankie and some popcorn.  JoePhilly   May-06-11 02:47 PM   #4 
  - +1000  rbrnmw   May-06-11 02:49 PM   #5 
  - so it sounds lke you are more of a one time deal with OBL  quinnox   May-06-11 02:50 PM   #6 
  - Zawahiri too IMO  dkf   May-06-11 02:52 PM   #9 
  - Give them the chance to surrender and face the music.  Ikonoklast   May-06-11 02:54 PM   #10 
  - all terrorists are not OBL  JoePhilly   May-06-11 03:19 PM   #36 
  - understood  quinnox   May-06-11 04:08 PM   #50 
  - There are a few terrarists in Gitmo  Amonester   May-06-11 03:30 PM   #40 
  - How about if you are a Head of State of a world power and you attack a country  RC   May-06-11 03:02 PM   #16 
     - Bush's invasion of Iraq was stupid, that where you were going?  JoePhilly   May-06-11 03:29 PM   #39 
        - So, you are implying that  RC   May-06-11 03:47 PM   #42 
           - Where exactly did I say Bush wasn't bad?  JoePhilly   May-06-11 04:10 PM   #52 
  - Yes, this is how they should be dealt with.  MrSlayer   May-06-11 02:51 PM   #8 
  - I have no problem but probably not for the reasons you think  justiceischeap   May-06-11 02:59 PM   #11 
  - you make some good points  quinnox   May-06-11 03:00 PM   #14 
  - Glenn Greenwald has said it best:  coalition_unwilling   May-06-11 03:11 PM   #28 
     - If you kill a criminal in a standoff  Confusious   May-06-11 04:24 PM   #55 
     - 1) Don't kill if you can capture. 2) Who's to say who is a terrorist? The government?  Zhade   May-06-11 05:30 PM   #62 
     - Military rules  Confusious   May-06-11 06:26 PM   #77 
     - You're completely and utterly missing Greenwald's point. I suggest  coalition_unwilling   May-06-11 10:46 PM   #83 
        - Read the piece  Confusious   May-07-11 12:36 AM   #85 
     - No offense but Glen Greenwald is an idiot.  Egnever   May-07-11 12:43 AM   #86 
  - No, OBL was a one-time exception.  closeupready   May-06-11 02:59 PM   #12 
  - We are a very long way from that Utopian world you envision...  hlthe2b   May-06-11 03:00 PM   #13 
  - yea, that makes sense  quinnox   May-06-11 03:04 PM   #18 
  - Name those others, please.  RaleighNCDUer   May-06-11 03:57 PM   #45 
     - Prove that we haven't  hlthe2b   May-06-11 05:27 PM   #61 
  - As I see it, there's 4 kinds of political leaders.  blondeatlast   May-06-11 03:01 PM   #15 
  - that all seems reasonable to me n/t  quinnox   May-06-11 03:08 PM   #25 
  - The method used must be based upon the situation...  Ozymanithrax   May-06-11 03:07 PM   #22 
  - He chose the manner of his death in choosing the manner of his life. Nt  DevonRex   May-06-11 03:07 PM   #23 
  - Well effing said!  JuniperLea   May-06-11 03:09 PM   #26 
     - Thank you. Your version is pretty damned good, too!  DevonRex   May-06-11 03:11 PM   #29 
  - Assassination is cheaper and better  Uben   May-06-11 03:08 PM   #24 
  - I think this is preferable to they way we kill them with bombs  alc   May-06-11 03:10 PM   #27 
  - yes, I think that is hard to argue with  quinnox   May-06-11 03:15 PM   #33 
  - I'm confused... terrorists have been killed in bombing and other attacks  JustFiveMoreMinutes   May-06-11 03:12 PM   #30 
  - Pst... Because a BLACK MAN gave the order...  JuniperLea   May-06-11 03:13 PM   #32 
  - Right to the refuge, I see. I don't have a problem unless bin Laden was captured and whacked.  TheKentuckian   May-06-11 04:02 PM   #48 
  - Exactly, I was asking the same about all the #2s that were taken out  treestar   May-06-11 03:21 PM   #37 
  - They don't want to explain themselves? Where have you been the last decade?  Zhade   May-06-11 05:17 PM   #58 
     - I get this feeling you are actually sympathizing with them  treestar   May-06-11 09:34 PM   #80 
  - By putting OBL on trial, we would be putting his entire movement on trial.  RaleighNCDUer   May-06-11 04:02 PM   #47 
  - I agree with you...  foreigncorrespondent   May-06-11 03:12 PM   #31 
  - I wish we we could have given him a choice  pintobean   May-06-11 03:17 PM   #34 
  - Oh, good one!!!  pipi_k   May-06-11 03:51 PM   #43 
  - I find the revealing honesty in your post, that this was about revenge and not justice, refreshing.  Zhade   May-06-11 05:35 PM   #63 
  - It could be both  pintobean   May-06-11 05:49 PM   #65 
     - I'm sincere. I detest your sentiment, but I do applaud the forthrightness.  Zhade   May-06-11 06:00 PM   #66 
        - What qualifies you to pass judgment on them?  pintobean   May-06-11 06:07 PM   #69 
           - I did state that this is the way I see them, based on their words.  Zhade   May-06-11 06:26 PM   #76 
              - Deleted message  Name removed   May-06-11 06:35 PM   #78 
  - Indeed. And I would like to have documentary video.  blondeatlast   May-06-11 09:37 PM   #81 
  - "Standards" are a thing of the past in this country......  frebrd   May-06-11 03:19 PM   #35 
  - I believe this IS the way we should be fighting terrorists.  Common Sense Party   May-06-11 03:23 PM   #38 
  - Without the inconvenience of an actual trail  cpwm17   May-06-11 04:07 PM   #49 
  - God the binary simplicity of your thinking is so starkly aggressive  Bluenorthwest   May-06-11 03:39 PM   #41 
  - too bad  quinnox   May-06-11 04:10 PM   #51 
  - What a moral quandry.  Richardo   May-06-11 03:51 PM   #44 
  - At least we all seem to be coming around  hulka38   May-06-11 04:12 PM   #53 
  - In any war, declared combatants have to prove their intent to surrender (not the other way around).  BzaDem   May-06-11 04:18 PM   #54 
  - Soldiers storm a house in Iraq. No combatants. But the soldiers think they are.  Zhade   May-06-11 05:41 PM   #64 
     - If a soldier shot and killed a civilian intentionally, and that civilian was not presenting a threat  BzaDem   May-07-11 04:03 AM   #88 
  - they bombed a car withknown two terrorists in it. it was not about stopping and arresting  seabeyond   May-06-11 04:28 PM   #56 
  - That was also wrong. Some of us said so at the time.  Zhade   May-06-11 06:15 PM   #73 
  - You have to be kidding. Didn't we have a prison full of them?  RegieRocker   May-06-11 05:26 PM   #60 
  - The prisoners who escaped via the tunnel  Courtesy Flush   May-06-11 06:05 PM   #67 
  - Capturing a target alive in the middle of a very hostile area raises the risks to your soldiers.  Zynx   May-06-11 06:07 PM   #68 
  - I can give you my opinion with one of your questions by changing  Obamanaut   May-06-11 06:10 PM   #70 
  - Because the U.S. Constitution explicitly states that he or she who  coalition_unwilling   May-06-11 10:53 PM   #84 
     - Well, how about "You buys your ticket, you takes the ride." nt  Obamanaut   May-07-11 03:19 AM   #87 
  - OBL was different, ipso facto. He was like Public Enemy #1 on FBI list.  Honeycombe8   May-06-11 06:12 PM   #71 
  - We would have invited more trouble for ourselves if obl was taken alive...  Kahuna   May-06-11 06:23 PM   #75 
  - If OBL did not have an AK47 next to or under his bed he would be the only one in Pakistan without  NotThisTime   May-06-11 07:13 PM   #79 
  - You hit the nail on the head, NT  eqfan592   May-06-11 09:39 PM   #82 
  - Good Question.  bvar22   May-07-11 12:45 PM   #89 

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