| 38. Yet if they're reading it. . . |
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I'd consider that to be a win.
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| -Found our first pirated e-book today |
Spike89 |
May-05-11 01:59 PM |
#0 |
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But don't you understand? Your information should be free! |
Codeine |
May-05-11 02:05 PM |
#1 |
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Pity there's no way to imbed a trojan horse bomb in |
MineralMan |
May-05-11 02:11 PM |
#3 |
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Because the appropriate response to copyright violation is vandalism and destruction of property? |
TheWraith |
May-05-11 02:36 PM |
#12 |
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Yep, seriously. |
RC |
May-05-11 02:51 PM |
#15 |
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I didn't destroy anything. The software simply encrypted the data |
MineralMan |
May-05-11 02:58 PM |
#17 |
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"Pity there's no way to... permanently disable the device if the material was pirated." |
TheWraith |
May-05-11 04:45 PM |
#50 |
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It is, but there's no way to do that via an ebook, so it's |
MineralMan |
May-05-11 06:55 PM |
#118 |
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Doesn't matter. It's still an inappropriate response. |
TheWraith |
May-05-11 08:21 PM |
#121 |
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No, actually the appropriate response is prosecution for the |
MineralMan |
May-05-11 03:06 PM |
#18 |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
May-05-11 05:40 PM |
#99 |
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What's your point? |
MineralMan |
May-06-11 08:31 AM |
#158 |
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Plenty of precedence ... |
JustABozoOnThisBus |
May-06-11 06:59 AM |
#153 |
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If you do that people will refuse to buy your products. |
Dappleganger |
May-05-11 04:00 PM |
#29 |
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Thanks for explaining why I don't use closed source software. |
hunter |
May-05-11 04:47 PM |
#53 |
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I like your style, kid. |
timtom |
May-06-11 06:05 AM |
#151 |
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Wow. Enlightening post. So you use freeware exclusively? PC based only, right? |
zonkers |
May-06-11 09:55 AM |
#161 |
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Free and Open Source software. |
hunter |
May-06-11 01:45 PM |
#173 |
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Surprise, surprise. |
Lucian |
May-05-11 05:38 PM |
# |
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Point is, you bought the book. It's your property. |
mainer |
May-05-11 08:49 PM |
#125 |
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And keeping a copy at the same time? |
Spike89 |
May-06-11 01:32 PM |
#171 |
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Funny thing is, that is basically our mission! |
Spike89 |
May-05-11 02:27 PM |
#5 |
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It's flattery |
Aerows |
May-05-11 04:10 PM |
#34 |
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It's flattery |
Aerows |
May-05-11 04:09 PM |
#33 |
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Flattery don't pay the bills. |
progressoid |
May-06-11 04:01 PM |
#180 |
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+1 |
geardaddy |
May-06-11 01:49 PM |
#174 |
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I'm sorry to hear that. |
MineralMan |
May-05-11 02:07 PM |
#2 |
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Unfortunately, you knew it had to happen... |
TreasonousBastard |
May-05-11 02:21 PM |
#4 |
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Yeah, we'd hoped being "fringe" would help |
Spike89 |
May-05-11 02:42 PM |
#13 |
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I think you'll be all right with this |
mainer |
May-05-11 04:52 PM |
#59 |
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Welcome to the club. |
tinrobot |
May-05-11 02:30 PM |
#6 |
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Can I ask what makes ebooks so expensive to create? |
Betty88 |
May-05-11 02:31 PM |
#7 |
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Theoretically, nothing. |
TheWraith |
May-05-11 02:49 PM |
#14 |
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Thank you |
Betty88 |
May-05-11 02:53 PM |
#16 |
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Very concise and good explanation! |
Spike89 |
May-05-11 03:55 PM |
#25 |
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If most of your costs are in distribution why not just offer it for free for download? |
Kurska |
May-06-11 02:08 AM |
#150 |
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Most of our costs are NOT in distribution |
Spike89 |
May-06-11 01:41 PM |
#172 |
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That logic only works for mass market books. |
tinrobot |
May-05-11 04:31 PM |
#42 |
| -
Again, please read the actual content of my post before responding. |
TheWraith |
May-05-11 04:44 PM |
#49 |
| -
I did read it. |
tinrobot |
May-05-11 04:58 PM |
#64 |
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You seem to have skipped the area where I made the entire point about market size. |
TheWraith |
May-05-11 05:03 PM |
#69 |
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Except for an author's labor for a year or more. |
mainer |
May-05-11 04:42 PM |
#47 |
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Maybe you should actually read my post. nt |
TheWraith |
May-05-11 04:43 PM |
#48 |
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"theoretically, nothing" |
mainer |
May-05-11 04:47 PM |
#54 |
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So you responded to the title without reading or understanding my point. Okay. nt |
TheWraith |
May-05-11 04:50 PM |
#57 |
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You need to look up marginal cost. All digital media has zero marginal cost... |
joshcryer |
May-06-11 01:48 AM |
#148 |
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Glad you asked... |
Spike89 |
May-05-11 03:23 PM |
#22 |
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Unfortunately, I cannot download the world's smallest violin... nt |
Modern_Matthew |
May-05-11 02:31 PM |
#8 |
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Right. Have you ever spent 4-6 months of your life writing a book... |
tinrobot |
May-05-11 02:32 PM |
#10 |
| -
Yet if they're reading it. . . |
themadstork |
May-05-11 04:20 PM |
#38 |
| -
A win for the reader, perhaps. |
tinrobot |
May-05-11 04:21 PM |
#39 |
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I write books to be read |
themadstork |
May-05-11 04:30 PM |
#41 |
| -
So you think some workers don't deserve to make a living? |
mainer |
May-05-11 04:49 PM |
#56 |
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Writing |
themadstork |
May-05-11 04:57 PM |
#63 |
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You can value yourself however you want. |
tinrobot |
May-05-11 04:51 PM |
#58 |
| -
People who work for free... |
mainer |
May-05-11 04:53 PM |
#60 |
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Sounds about right. |
tinrobot |
May-05-11 04:58 PM |
#65 |
| -
A nicely pithy statement. . . |
themadstork |
May-05-11 05:06 PM |
#71 |
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Making a living and striking it rich are two different things. |
tinrobot |
May-05-11 05:35 PM |
#90 |
| -
Poetry is a different kettle of fish. A very small audience. |
mainer |
May-05-11 08:50 PM |
#126 |
| -
It is precisely these areas in peril |
Spike89 |
May-06-11 01:58 PM |
#175 |
| -
It's not an ego boost |
themadstork |
May-05-11 05:01 PM |
#68 |
| -
I write to make a living. |
tinrobot |
May-05-11 05:28 PM |
#86 |
| -
I'm not saying you shouldn't be doing this |
themadstork |
May-05-11 05:37 PM |
#93 |
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Totally agree with you. |
tinrobot |
May-05-11 05:47 PM |
#102 |
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The industry used to be this place where only the most elite would get a publishing deal... |
joshcryer |
May-06-11 01:40 AM |
#146 |
| -
Well, there are still some editors that sell authentically great books at a loss for the prestige |
themadstork |
May-06-11 10:08 AM |
#163 |
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There is nothing good for a writer in having their material illegally obtained. |
mythology |
May-05-11 04:55 PM |
# |
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Being read is undeniably good for the writer. |
themadstork |
May-05-11 05:07 PM |
#73 |
| -
But being paid for it is what feeds him |
mainer |
May-05-11 05:38 PM |
#95 |
| -
Does not change the fact that being read is still good for him/her |
themadstork |
May-05-11 06:05 PM |
#108 |
| -
I'm sure you could... you'd simply try to get out of paying for it is all. |
LanternWaste |
May-05-11 03:11 PM |
#19 |
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Excuse me for finding humor in seeing this other thread right next to yours on page 1 |
Electric Monk |
May-05-11 02:32 PM |
#9 |
| -
Sorry. |
progressoid |
May-05-11 02:36 PM |
#11 |
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Which pirate site is it and what format is it in? Like a pdf or a special format? |
cbdo2007 |
May-05-11 03:15 PM |
#20 |
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Yeah, a cracked PDF, can't tell at a glance which format was |
Spike89 |
May-05-11 03:49 PM |
#23 |
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Also, have you checked their takedown policy? |
cbdo2007 |
May-05-11 03:54 PM |
#24 |
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Welcome to the club. It happens to every author. |
mainer |
May-05-11 03:20 PM |
#21 |
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"...most pirates don't really read the books... They just do it to be pirates. |
Leftist Agitator |
May-05-11 03:58 PM |
#27 |
| -
Thank you for |
Aerows |
May-05-11 04:05 PM |
#32 |
| -
It's what authors and publishers have noted to be true |
mainer |
May-05-11 04:38 PM |
#44 |
| -
And you think |
Aerows |
May-05-11 06:20 PM |
#112 |
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My point is that piracy doesn't matter as much anymore |
mainer |
May-05-11 08:40 PM |
#122 |
| -
Offer it at a fair price |
Aerows |
May-05-11 04:01 PM |
#30 |
| -
Like Wal-Mart prices? |
tinrobot |
May-05-11 05:00 PM |
#67 |
| -
It is hard to beat free |
Freddie Stubbs |
May-06-11 10:59 AM |
#168 |
| -
Keep writing |
Aerows |
May-05-11 03:58 PM |
#26 |
| -
You believe one necessarily denies the other? |
LanternWaste |
May-05-11 04:14 PM |
#35 |
| -
I don't |
Aerows |
May-05-11 04:18 PM |
#37 |
| -
Who other than the author determines if profit of creativity has the higher priority... |
LanternWaste |
May-05-11 05:12 PM |
#75 |
| -
I didn't direct the comment of |
Aerows |
May-05-11 05:19 PM |
#81 |
| -
Frustrated by justifying theft? Yes. Rather. |
LanternWaste |
May-05-11 05:23 PM |
#83 |
| -
I don't see it as theft |
Aerows |
May-05-11 05:32 PM |
#89 |
| -
I imagine we all justify our own sins to one degree or another... |
LanternWaste |
May-05-11 05:37 PM |
#94 |
| -
Justifying a sin? |
Aerows |
May-05-11 05:40 PM |
#98 |
| -
Yeah. Eventually I think 95% of all books will be sold at either pay-as-you-wish or |
themadstork |
May-05-11 04:26 PM |
#40 |
| -
I am too :) |
Aerows |
May-05-11 04:37 PM |
#43 |
| -
I think it's in the nature of books and reading to |
themadstork |
May-05-11 04:48 PM |
#55 |
| -
Wish there were a lot more people like you! |
mainer |
May-05-11 04:59 PM |
#66 |
| -
I've read things by amateurs |
Aerows |
May-05-11 05:16 PM |
#78 |
| -
Asmimov, Shakespeare, Dickens, Douglas Adams, HC Andersen, Sauraute, Golding, Kafka worked for free. |
LanternWaste |
May-05-11 05:31 PM |
#88 |
| -
Did they do it only for the money? |
Aerows |
May-05-11 05:36 PM |
#91 |
| -
You appear to be avoiding a question. |
LanternWaste |
May-05-11 05:38 PM |
#96 |
| -
I'm sure they did |
Aerows |
May-05-11 05:47 PM |
#103 |
| -
But everyone needs to eat. |
mainer |
May-05-11 05:39 PM |
#97 |
| -
And I guess |
Aerows |
May-05-11 05:43 PM |
#101 |
| -
No. But they do get paid for it. |
mainer |
May-05-11 08:54 PM |
#128 |
| -
You haven't read enough work by amateurs, then |
mainer |
May-05-11 08:51 PM |
#127 |
| -
Most professional work is dreadful. |
themadstork |
May-05-11 09:18 PM |
#130 |
| -
Most amateur work is even more dreadful |
mainer |
May-06-11 10:58 AM |
#167 |
| -
So true! Also true, 1/2 the "professionals" can barely write |
Spike89 |
May-06-11 04:21 PM |
#182 |
| -
I think there are |
themadstork |
May-05-11 05:16 PM |
#79 |
| -
This is quite true... |
Dappleganger |
May-05-11 05:37 PM |
#92 |
| -
Lemme jump in here |
timtom |
May-06-11 06:33 AM |
#152 |
| -
How do you make a living at it if you don't get paid? |
mainer |
May-05-11 04:40 PM |
#45 |
| -
I guess you want to be one of those "privileged" writers |
Aerows |
May-05-11 04:46 PM |
#52 |
| -
It's a "privilege" to be paid for one's labors? |
mainer |
May-05-11 04:55 PM |
#61 |
| -
I work my ass off |
Aerows |
May-05-11 05:13 PM |
#76 |
| -
What do you do for a living? |
Bluenorthwest |
May-05-11 05:07 PM |
#72 |
| -
I'm a writer first |
Aerows |
May-05-11 05:12 PM |
#74 |
| -
But your income, your profession, is engineering? |
Bluenorthwest |
May-05-11 05:17 PM |
#80 |
| -
Yes, to both |
Aerows |
May-05-11 05:20 PM |
#82 |
| -
And you should be aware that there is not a money earning artist |
Bluenorthwest |
May-05-11 05:50 PM |
#104 |
| -
I had a hard fight to even be an engineer |
Aerows |
May-05-11 06:05 PM |
#109 |
| -
There's also the fact that the "theft is theft" position is very much the pro-corporate position |
themadstork |
May-05-11 06:11 PM |
#110 |
| -
No, you are correct, my friend |
Aerows |
May-05-11 06:13 PM |
#111 |
| -
buddy |
Aerows |
May-05-11 06:55 PM |
#117 |
| -
Theft from me is theft from me |
mainer |
May-05-11 08:42 PM |
#123 |
| -
Conflating theft of goods with copyright infringement |
themadstork |
May-05-11 09:15 PM |
#129 |
| -
+1, the corporations love that normal citizens fall for this meme. |
joshcryer |
May-05-11 09:25 PM |
#135 |
| -
Yeah. I saw once where a middle school had a recording industry rep come in |
themadstork |
May-05-11 09:39 PM |
#138 |
| -
It is a pure invention, last 10-15 years or so. |
joshcryer |
May-05-11 09:56 PM |
#140 |
| -
I just got my first reuse fees for digital media this week. |
Bluenorthwest |
May-05-11 10:00 PM |
#141 |
| -
I would never take money from you. |
joshcryer |
May-06-11 01:34 AM |
#144 |
| -
And if you pirate a self-published e-book? |
mainer |
May-06-11 07:06 AM |
#154 |
| -
If you wanted your work to remain "yours," you should have kept it to yourself. |
themadstork |
May-06-11 10:25 AM |
#164 |
| -
Does the inventor of a new drug lose all rights to the formula? |
mainer |
May-06-11 10:49 AM |
#166 |
| -
That doesn't disprove anything I said. |
themadstork |
May-06-11 12:11 PM |
#169 |
| -
Because writing is the only work I can do? |
themadstork |
May-05-11 05:13 PM |
#77 |
| -
Thank you for expressing it so well |
Aerows |
May-05-11 05:25 PM |
#84 |
| -
Well, art isn't everything (though it is important!) |
Spike89 |
May-05-11 04:55 PM |
#62 |
| -
Huge fallacy to think most writing is fiction/mass market |
Spike89 |
May-05-11 06:21 PM |
#113 |
| -
The same rules apply though |
themadstork |
May-05-11 06:33 PM |
#116 |
| -
So you're offered the product at a price or for free (stolen) |
mainer |
May-05-11 08:44 PM |
#124 |
| -
Make a really good product. Treat people well. Stay involved in the specialist community. |
themadstork |
May-05-11 09:33 PM |
#136 |
| -
Better idea: write until your fucking fingers fall off. Write so much about so much... |
joshcryer |
May-06-11 01:36 AM |
#145 |
| -
Write your fingers off for free? |
mainer |
May-06-11 07:11 AM |
#155 |
| -
It's also the nature of freelance writing. |
themadstork |
May-06-11 09:58 AM |
#162 |
| -
I make my living as a writer. Of course I understand its economy. |
mainer |
May-06-11 10:45 AM |
#165 |
| -
Welcome to the 21st century musician's and filmmaker's world. |
MilesColtrane |
May-05-11 03:59 PM |
#28 |
| -
Or you could have Neil Gaiman's outlook on piracy. |
Dappleganger |
May-05-11 04:04 PM |
#31 |
| -
It's the focus on the short term |
Aerows |
May-05-11 04:17 PM |
#36 |
| -
Gaiman is also a fabulously wealthy author who has sold many |
Bluenorthwest |
May-05-11 05:03 PM |
#70 |
| -
That's what you got out of what I posted? |
Aerows |
May-05-11 05:27 PM |
#85 |
| -
Wow. |
Dappleganger |
May-05-11 05:30 PM |
#87 |
| -
I'm not talking about him, I am talking about using him as an |
Bluenorthwest |
May-05-11 06:25 PM |
#114 |
| -
There are authors on Amazon who are making thousands of dollars... |
joshcryer |
May-05-11 09:19 PM |
#131 |
| -
I'm not a writer for a living. |
Bluenorthwest |
May-05-11 10:29 PM |
#142 |
| -
No, they got lucky. Look at Amanda Hocking. |
joshcryer |
May-06-11 01:30 AM |
#143 |
| -
Report it here |
geardaddy |
May-05-11 04:40 PM |
#46 |
| -
Trying to take them down is like whack-a-mole |
mainer |
May-05-11 04:46 PM |
#51 |
| -
So how is a pirated ebook any different than... |
Lucian |
May-05-11 05:43 PM |
#100 |
| -
Thank you |
Aerows |
May-05-11 05:51 PM |
#105 |
| -
You should go to jail you thief! |
Lucian |
May-05-11 05:57 PM |
#106 |
| -
Oh, you want value loss? How about buying books from a library? |
joshcryer |
May-05-11 09:24 PM |
#134 |
| -
This is a great example of how in the book world tremendous intellectual/artistic value can be |
themadstork |
May-05-11 09:45 PM |
#139 |
| -
Yeah, from my POV the more people I touch the better, it has nothing to do with profits. |
joshcryer |
May-06-11 01:44 AM |
#147 |
| -
Fine. You're free to give it away. No one's stopping you. |
mainer |
May-06-11 07:13 AM |
#156 |
| -
Well for starters...you bought the book |
Spike89 |
May-05-11 06:32 PM |
#115 |
| -
What if I took said hypothetical book... |
Lucian |
May-05-11 07:16 PM |
#119 |
| -
Actually that would be infringement. |
joshcryer |
May-05-11 09:21 PM |
#133 |
| -
hehe. I do the bookstore thing all the time. |
themadstork |
May-05-11 09:37 PM |
#137 |
| -
Yes. That is not a grey area at all. n/t |
BzaDem |
May-06-11 01:50 AM |
#149 |
| -
Not if each 7 billion people legally made a copy of said book. |
joshcryer |
May-05-11 09:21 PM |
#132 |
| -
You know there's a lot of sites claiming lots of really good free downloads, except if you actually |
Shagbark Hickory |
May-05-11 06:00 PM |
#107 |
| -
What about books I have moldering away up in the attic |
Puglover |
May-05-11 07:37 PM |
#120 |
| -
It certainly is not wrong. |
Mariana |
May-06-11 03:11 PM |
#176 |
| -
But you bought a VHS tape, |
Codeine |
May-06-11 03:59 PM |
#179 |
| -
To be honest, yeah, wrong, but grey area |
Spike89 |
May-06-11 03:54 PM |
#178 |
| -
Hmm...you're right. Hawaii isn't available. |
MineralMan |
May-06-11 04:01 PM |
#181 |
| -
What kind of book is it and who is the intended audience? |
octothorpe |
May-06-11 08:12 AM |
#157 |
| -
I don't understand why e-books would cost you so much to distribute. |
fasttense |
May-06-11 08:35 AM |
#159 |
| -
Answered above, but here it goes again... |
Spike89 |
May-06-11 03:36 PM |
#177 |
| -
This is such an informative thread--I'm a writer/publisher and my press will be releasing |
Mrs. Overall |
May-06-11 09:47 AM |
#160 |
| -
Thanks, and good luck to you and your publishing adventure! nt |
Spike89 |
May-06-11 01:07 PM |
#170 |
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