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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-02-11 06:49 PM
Response to Reply #32
110. There is an active authoritarian element among Democrats as everywhere else.
Edited on Sun Jan-02-11 06:52 PM by JackRiddler
The existence of a Wikileaks (and what it holds for the future) is a big challenge to all who put authority and hierarchy above the rights of themselves and of the people. It's not showing obedience to the chain of command and being too successful doing so.
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  -Do you approve of Wikileaks? sabrina 1  Jan-01-11 08:59 PM   #0 
  - Yes.  Iggo   Jan-01-11 09:00 PM   #1 
  - Without Wikileaks, what chance would we EVER have to find out what our rulers are doing?  Ken Burch   Jan-01-11 09:01 PM   #2 
  - So far.  rucky   Jan-01-11 09:04 PM   #3 
  - The voting link for the first choice is disabled!!!! Why?  kgnu_fan   Jan-01-11 09:05 PM   #4 
  - It works for me, kgnu.  Kaleko   Jan-01-11 09:08 PM   #5 
     - For me, it is disabled so I can not vote, two links below works but I dont' want to vote for them  kgnu_fan   Jan-01-11 09:11 PM   #6 
        - Weird...  Kaleko   Jan-01-11 09:14 PM   #9 
        - Which one isn't working?  sabrina 1   Jan-01-11 09:20 PM   #11 
        - The first one on the list, "Yes" is the one I can not vote.  kgnu_fan   Jan-01-11 09:21 PM   #12 
           - That's strange. Does anyone know what the problem might be?  sabrina 1   Jan-01-11 09:24 PM   #15 
           - kgnu_fan, TexasGal just said that you  sabrina 1   Jan-01-11 09:28 PM   #18 
        - I believe you have to be a donor  Texasgal   Jan-01-11 09:24 PM   #16 
           - I didn't know that.  sabrina 1   Jan-01-11 09:26 PM   #17 
           - No you don't  flying rabbit   Jan-02-11 12:33 AM   #43 
           - Thanks, then I wonder what the problem was? Doesn't seem like  sabrina 1   Jan-02-11 02:48 AM   #53 
              - Thank you for caring.... I don't know what is the problem. My main browser is Firefox...  kgnu_fan   Jan-02-11 12:12 PM   #66 
                 - I am using Google Chrome now.  sabrina 1   Jan-02-11 12:54 PM   #69 
                    - You know what? I was able to click it now so I voted. Thank you and I am going to try Chrome soon.  kgnu_fan   Jan-02-11 08:17 PM   #111 
                       - I'm glad you were able to vote ~  sabrina 1   Jan-02-11 09:07 PM   #114 
           - I'm not a donor  smiley   Jan-07-11 12:38 PM   #127 
  - I'm kind of on the fence about this one. On the whole . . .  MrModerate   Jan-01-11 09:13 PM   #7 
  - That's a reasonable and thoughtful post.  sabrina 1   Jan-02-11 01:51 AM   #50 
  - Think of it this way, if Wikileaks has the info, you can be sure that every intelligence community  grahamhgreen   Jan-02-11 08:45 AM   #62 
  - +1  realisticphish   Jan-02-11 04:23 PM   #91 
  - "Support"?  Recursion   Jan-01-11 09:13 PM   #8 
  - The question in the subject line was 'Do you approve...'  Iggo   Jan-01-11 09:42 PM   #22 
  - In my opinion the CNN poll was misleadingly phrased  Time for change   Jan-01-11 09:18 PM   #10 
  - Definitely how the questions are framed plus the  sabrina 1   Jan-01-11 09:22 PM   #13 
  - Because your wording intentionally builds in bias  Still a Democrat   Jan-01-11 09:45 PM   #23 
  - My example DID NOT allude ot potential benefit or harm  Time for change   Jan-01-11 09:53 PM   #24 
  - Just as some contend lives are endangered and American interests compromised  Still a Democrat   Jan-01-11 09:57 PM   #27 
  - Which one of the facts that I stated do you think is disputed?  Time for change   Jan-01-11 10:17 PM   #31 
  - Both sides have claims, but only one side has facts.  sabrina 1   Jan-01-11 11:38 PM   #41 
     - when did they say this? when they first came out. like biden claimed.  seabeyond   Jan-02-11 08:44 AM   #61 
     - Just take the helicopter video alone!  sabrina 1   Jan-02-11 02:26 PM   #75 
        - Thank you. Sometimes I think people forget what we're talking about.  Smarmie Doofus   Jan-02-11 09:36 PM   #116 
           - To say that Wikileaks has not exposed crimes is  sabrina 1   Jan-02-11 10:19 PM   #117 
     - self delete  Still a Democrat   Jan-02-11 03:12 PM   #79 
        - From Robert Gates:  sabrina 1   Jan-02-11 03:34 PM   #83 
  - 1000's of crimes? i have not seen even a kinda close to that number. tell me ten crimes. nt  seabeyond   Jan-02-11 08:42 AM   #60 
     - Why don't you follow the link I recommended for you where you can read many of the stories...  JackRiddler   Jan-02-11 04:03 PM   #86 
        - why do you ASSUME i have not followed the link. challenging the 1000's of crimes the poster  seabeyond   Jan-02-11 05:11 PM   #95 
           - This assumption is based on your complete failure to ever address what's in the cables...  JackRiddler   Jan-02-11 05:20 PM   #96 
           - he says thousands of crimes. there arent. i call it. you pissed. the other was  seabeyond   Jan-02-11 06:05 PM   #104 
              - Fine. You say ZERO. This is definitely less accurate.  JackRiddler   Jan-02-11 06:09 PM   #105 
                 - link to where i ever said ZERO. oh, i know. i didnt. you MADE it UP.  seabeyond   Jan-02-11 06:31 PM   #106 
                    - Have you discovered one? Please tell us.  JackRiddler   Jan-02-11 06:43 PM   #107 
                    - I have answered your question, twice I believe.  sabrina 1   Jan-02-11 06:47 PM   #109 
           - Have thousands of innocent civilians not died in Iraq?  sabrina 1   Jan-02-11 05:37 PM   #101 
  - The CNN question was not objective.  JackRiddler   Jan-02-11 04:01 PM   #85 
  - +1  grahamhgreen   Jan-02-11 08:48 AM   #63 
  - I agree with almost anything that stirs up the shit for TPTB.  leeroysphitz   Jan-01-11 09:24 PM   #14 
  - You're a rabble rouser, you are! Lol!  sabrina 1   Jan-02-11 12:57 AM   #45 
  - Assange doesn't have the protection of the First Amendment  Still a Democrat   Jan-01-11 09:31 PM   #19 
  - Are you serious or is that snark?  sabrina 1   Jan-01-11 09:35 PM   #20 
  - Completely serious  Still a Democrat   Jan-01-11 09:39 PM   #21 
  - There is a reason that the first ten amendments is called the Bill Of Rights.  RaleighNCDUer   Jan-01-11 09:56 PM   #25 
  - Thank you, good post. Rights, people seem so willing to give  sabrina 1   Jan-01-11 11:32 PM   #40 
  - Wait, so what you are saying is that the U.S.  sabrina 1   Jan-01-11 09:56 PM   #26 
  - Assange as a member of the "press" in another country  Still a Democrat   Jan-01-11 10:09 PM   #30 
     - You couldn't be more wrong.  Kaleko   Jan-01-11 10:49 PM   #33 
     - I don't know why this is so hard for some people to understand.  sabrina 1   Jan-01-11 11:30 PM   #39 
     - The "we" is the United States  Still a Democrat   Jan-02-11 07:41 AM   #54 
        - My United States is very clearly not yours. "We" is propaganda.  JackRiddler   Jan-02-11 06:45 PM   #108 
     - Thank you for your response.  sabrina 1   Jan-01-11 10:54 PM   #36 
     - Quite welcome  Still a Democrat   Jan-02-11 09:22 AM   #64 
        - Well, again, a news organization publishes news. Even though  sabrina 1   Jan-02-11 12:52 PM   #68 
           - As far as crimes Assange would face if he were an American citizen, it depends  Still a Democrat   Jan-02-11 03:05 PM   #78 
              - Okay, but since the Constitution IS the law of the land  sabrina 1   Jan-02-11 03:16 PM   #80 
     - One more thing. You must not be aware of the history of  sabrina 1   Jan-02-11 12:07 AM   #42 
  - wow.  bowens43   Jan-01-11 10:05 PM   #29 
  - See explanatory argument in post #30, neither ignorant, nor dangerous  elias7   Jan-01-11 10:52 PM   #35 
     - It's both and wrong. n/t  EFerrari   Jan-01-11 11:03 PM   #38 
        - care to explain?  elias7   Jan-02-11 12:53 AM   #44 
           - Should China have the power to go after American journalists  sabrina 1   Jan-02-11 01:01 AM   #46 
           - I'm not talking about rights, I'm talking about what's happening now  elias7   Jan-02-11 04:04 PM   #87 
              - I guess I did misunderstand your post, so thanks for the  sabrina 1   Jan-02-11 05:28 PM   #98 
                 - The channel I was alluding to would be outside of our legal system  elias7   Jan-02-11 09:09 PM   #115 
                    - Oh, okay, I see what you mean.  sabrina 1   Jan-03-11 12:06 AM   #118 
           - The first amendment applies to the government's behavior:  EFerrari   Jan-02-11 01:50 AM   #48 
              - Not sure I understand your post  elias7   Jan-02-11 04:14 PM   #89 
                 - But if we charge him we would be charging him under our laws  sabrina 1   Jan-02-11 04:21 PM   #90 
  - Really. So we as citizens have no rigtht to access the foreign press?  Luminous Animal   Jan-01-11 10:56 PM   #37 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-02-11 01:52 AM   #51 
  - Is it disingenuous to bring up the Fourth Amendment  rucky   Jan-02-11 08:09 AM   #56 
  - It is the duty of journalists to keep government honest. US media has FAILED.  qb   Jan-01-11 10:03 PM   #28 
  - That 13% seems weirdly hyperactive here.  Smarmie Doofus   Jan-01-11 10:36 PM   #32 
  - There is an active authoritarian element among Democrats as everywhere else.  JackRiddler   Jan-02-11 06:49 PM   #110 
  - Yes, and I'm not a big believer in keeping government  Cleita   Jan-01-11 10:51 PM   #34 
  - I approve  clyrc   Jan-02-11 01:22 AM   #47 
  - YES! Only place to get the real news....nt  old mark   Jan-02-11 01:51 AM   #49 
  - Hell Yes ! nt  Mojeoux   Jan-02-11 01:55 AM   #52 
  - This is a flawed poll, with no room for a reasonable answer.  Robb   Jan-02-11 07:45 AM   #55 
  - Wikleaks is an idea. My question was whether  sabrina 1   Jan-02-11 11:39 AM   #65 
  - Just because it doesn't have "Robb is a dingbat" as an option doesn't mean it's flawed..  Ghost in the Machine   Jan-02-11 01:03 PM   #72 
  - I think WikiLeaks would be a lot better if it wasn't being run by a preening egomaniac n/t  Azathoth   Jan-02-11 08:15 AM   #57 
  - Thanks for focusing on what really matters. Me, I get all my news from People magazine and Gawker.  JackRiddler   Jan-02-11 04:06 PM   #88 
  - Dumb poll. One can disapprove of what Wikileaks did without believing they had no right to publish  BzaDem   Jan-02-11 08:29 AM   #58 
  - Well, that was the question. CNN claims that democrats  sabrina 1   Jan-02-11 12:58 PM   #71 
     - Yes but...  walldude   Jan-02-11 01:17 PM   #73 
        - Yes, and that didn't make sense to me since  sabrina 1   Jan-02-11 03:44 PM   #84 
  - Better "Wiki" than waterheater!  DailyGrind51   Jan-02-11 08:40 AM   #59 
  - I approve and hope that more WikiLeaks clones will provide more.  Tierra_y_Libertad   Jan-02-11 12:28 PM   #67 
  - These choices don't work for me.  Codeine   Jan-02-11 12:55 PM   #70 
  - The question is about the idea of Wikileaks. CNN claims  sabrina 1   Jan-02-11 01:31 PM   #74 
     - I was about to post a long reply on Monday about how this is eerily similar to the Iraq polls  Turborama   Jan-06-11 01:53 PM   #122 
        - Hi Turbo, I am sorry about the problems you had  sabrina 1   Jan-07-11 01:51 PM   #131 
  - YES times however many things they revealed!  freshwest   Jan-02-11 02:29 PM   #76 
  - it's good to see a majority approving of Wikileaks here  fascisthunter   Jan-02-11 02:31 PM   #77 
  - Why would anyone prefer to be lied to and kept in the dark and fooled?  lunatica   Jan-02-11 03:20 PM   #81 
  - I strongly approve of wikileaks. Nt  xchrom   Jan-02-11 03:30 PM   #82 
  - Obama wont investigate the war crimes, so the media represses opinion on Wikileaks too  upi402   Jan-02-11 04:26 PM   #92 
  - I don't think it make one damn bit of difference  ismnotwasm   Jan-02-11 04:32 PM   #93 
  - who on earth would disapprove of wikileaks except some government hack?  BOG PERSON   Jan-02-11 05:05 PM   #94 
  - I think we have many people on DU list who are sent here and tasked to sway opinions of citizens...  kgnu_fan   Jan-02-11 08:21 PM   #112 
  - Why not just put yes and no?  treestar   Jan-02-11 05:23 PM   #97 
  - "Congress shall make NO law abridging the freedom of the press.."  Tierra_y_Libertad   Jan-02-11 05:36 PM   #99 
  - On DU, it makes no difference. These answers probably show bedrock values for approve/disapprove.  JackRiddler   Jan-02-11 05:36 PM   #100 
  - I think your comment is directed to me?  sabrina 1   Jan-02-11 05:44 PM   #103 
  - You bet I approve. We need new sunshine laws in this country, for sure. NT  juajen   Jan-02-11 05:39 PM   #102 
  - No I think the gummint should hide all the foul shit it is doing so I can pretend  Warren Stupidity   Jan-02-11 08:55 PM   #113 
  - So where did CNN find all those Democrats and Liberals  sabrina 1   Jan-03-11 12:49 PM   #119 
  - Julian Assange is a true hero  Liberal Communist   Jan-06-11 04:21 AM   #120 
  - I agree and welcome to DU ~  sabrina 1   Jan-06-11 05:05 AM   #121 
  - Yes, but with a qualification  Jack Rabbit   Jan-06-11 02:33 PM   #123 
  - Very interesting post.  sabrina 1   Jan-07-11 12:33 PM   #126 
  - + 1,000,000,000... What You Said !!!  WillyT   Jan-07-11 12:43 PM   #129 
  - It's consistent with my recent check-in thread,sabrina 1. I approve of the truth getting to US n/t  bobthedrummer   Jan-06-11 02:36 PM   #124 
  - Yes, I saw your thread and checked in  sabrina 1   Jan-07-11 12:56 PM   #130 
  - i voted no, that was some of the dumb crap ever, well not ever  okieinpain   Jan-06-11 02:38 PM   #125 
  - I saw that. I thought that was odd.  WhaTHellsgoingonhere   Jan-07-11 12:39 PM   #128 
  - governments have the right to keep certain things secret when they consistently look after  yurbud   Jan-07-11 02:08 PM   #132 
     - I don't think governments have a right to secrecy.  EFerrari   Jan-07-11 03:10 PM   #133 
     - I think you are right. They have a right to keep some things secret  sabrina 1   Jan-08-11 12:58 AM   #135 
     - 'When they consistently look after the interests of their citizens'.  sabrina 1   Jan-07-11 03:11 PM   #134 

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