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Sun Jan-02-11 10:15 PM
Response to Reply #137 |
| 140. Obama was very public in his support of TSA. |
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So there really is no doubt he isn't one of leaders objecting.
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| -ACLU has growing database of TSA patdown descriptions too graphic for public airwaves |
Liberal_in_LA |
Jan-01-11 07:59 PM |
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And some here still say: "Anything to be safe!" |
GoneOffShore |
Jan-01-11 08:09 PM |
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isnt it amazing. just amazing. but have other stories and the compassions pours out. |
seabeyond |
Jan-01-11 08:27 PM |
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+100 |
Aleric |
Jan-02-11 10:52 AM |
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And some have said it's no big deal since you let your doctor touch you there... |
KansDem |
Jan-02-11 01:18 PM |
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Yeah, but doctors say for them, it's like washing dishes. These guys are voyeurs or worse. |
freshwest |
Jan-02-11 02:34 PM |
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No they don't |
saras |
Jan-02-11 08:17 PM |
#134 |
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I have no respect and little care for the people who remain accepting of this national indignity |
Stinky The Clown |
Jan-02-11 07:31 PM |
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This level of indignity, amazingly to me, was put in place by a Democratic administration. |
Stinky The Clown |
Jan-02-11 07:36 PM |
#130 |
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When it first becme obvious that Obama's progressive stance, on display constantly |
truedelphi |
Jan-02-11 08:11 PM |
#133 |
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Good germans all. nm |
Richard Steele |
Jan-02-11 11:11 PM |
#145 |
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K & R ! |
pnorman |
Jan-01-11 08:23 PM |
#2 |
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This problem is not going to go away & likely to get worse... |
hlthe2b |
Jan-01-11 08:26 PM |
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This is why I've given up travel |
SoCalNative |
Jan-01-11 08:37 PM |
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I must fly for a job interview n/t |
adamuu |
Jan-02-11 06:45 PM |
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I'm amazed at how some will argue that we "give up" constitutional rights when we fly. |
Matariki |
Jan-01-11 08:40 PM |
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That is the most absurd statement I have heard in awhile. n/t |
Aleric |
Jan-02-11 10:52 AM |
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No, Matariki is spot on, |
MsPithy |
Jan-02-11 11:00 AM |
#41 |
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So explain it to me. |
Aleric |
Jan-02-11 11:10 AM |
#44 |
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No one is magically shielded from rapists and burglars, in a word, criminals. |
MsPithy |
Jan-02-11 11:26 AM |
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the difference is you giving up your rights vs someone violating them nt |
LSK |
Jan-02-11 12:14 PM |
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I think your definition of Inalienable Rights needs some clarification. |
TalkingDog |
Jan-02-11 12:42 PM |
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No one mentioned inalienable rights |
Aleric |
Jan-02-11 12:55 PM |
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Er no, natural rights and inalienable rights are the same thing. |
Warren Stupidity |
Jan-02-11 01:08 PM |
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Philosophers and Political Scientists are not lawyers |
Aleric |
Jan-02-11 01:23 PM |
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And that doesn't mean jack shit in terms of who is actually RIGHT from an ethical point of view |
Downtown Hound |
Jan-02-11 01:29 PM |
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And ethics have little to do with law enforcement |
Aleric |
Jan-02-11 02:03 PM |
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Well, in this case, I'm talking about both |
Downtown Hound |
Jan-02-11 02:14 PM |
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I never tried to justify the TSA |
Aleric |
Jan-02-11 02:16 PM |
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Then what the fuck are you trying to do here? |
Downtown Hound |
Jan-02-11 02:19 PM |
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Jan-02-11 02:32 PM |
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How do you think a woman's right to control what enters her um, private parts |
Downtown Hound |
Jan-02-11 02:34 PM |
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I answered that question, you didn't read it. n/t |
Aleric |
Jan-02-11 02:45 PM |
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And as I said, your answer was a bunch of gibberish |
Downtown Hound |
Jan-02-11 02:48 PM |
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Ignored |
snort |
Jan-02-11 07:57 PM |
#131 |
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Oooo - jumping to the personal attack because your argument sucks is |
Maru Kitteh |
Jan-03-11 12:10 AM |
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I will probably regret this, |
MsPithy |
Jan-02-11 02:31 PM |
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Sorry, I should avoid that word |
Aleric |
Jan-02-11 02:42 PM |
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what? |
Warren Stupidity |
Jan-02-11 01:31 PM |
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Jan-02-11 01:35 PM |
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No, it's not |
Aleric |
Jan-02-11 02:01 PM |
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Um, yes it is. |
Downtown Hound |
Jan-02-11 02:12 PM |
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wait, now you gravity *is* a right when I agreed with you? Wtf? |
Aleric |
Jan-02-11 02:15 PM |
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Jan-02-11 02:17 PM |
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where you wrote 'um, yes it is' |
Aleric |
Jan-02-11 02:44 PM |
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When I said, gavity is simply a force, you said, "no it's not." |
Downtown Hound |
Jan-02-11 02:46 PM |
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I agree with you, except for a matter of phrasing that is small but essential. |
MsPithy |
Jan-02-11 01:39 PM |
#74 |
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legal rights can overlap natural rights |
Warren Stupidity |
Jan-02-11 01:46 PM |
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Respectfully, I must insist, |
MsPithy |
Jan-02-11 02:22 PM |
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Actually it is frequently both. |
Warren Stupidity |
Jan-02-11 03:05 PM |
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I agree that Scalia is not the first idiot |
MsPithy |
Jan-02-11 03:39 PM |
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"inalienable" or "unalienable." |
MsPithy |
Jan-02-11 03:12 PM |
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Your whole argument seems to be based on the fact |
Downtown Hound |
Jan-02-11 01:22 PM |
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"But you can't do that!" |
Aleric |
Jan-02-11 01:56 PM |
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Jan-02-11 02:10 PM |
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DUDE, seriously? gravity? |
MsPithy |
Jan-02-11 01:26 PM |
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Wrong, You just described Unalienable. Inalienable and Unalienable have different meaning. |
AtheistCrusader |
Jan-02-11 08:04 PM |
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I stand corrected. I did indeed mean unalienable rights. |
TalkingDog |
Jan-03-11 01:03 AM |
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I could have been a little more polite about that, sorry. |
AtheistCrusader |
Jan-03-11 03:44 PM |
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Da Nada |
TalkingDog |
Jan-04-11 10:14 AM |
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You are sooo right! |
MsPithy |
Jan-02-11 11:14 AM |
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This is sadistic abuse |
somone |
Jan-01-11 08:48 PM |
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TSA will tell you they are following whatever it is TSA tells them to do. |
LisaL |
Jan-02-11 02:27 AM |
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I've said this before. Al Qaeda says "Boo!" and the US shits it's pants |
lunatica |
Jan-01-11 08:48 PM |
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If she was truly concerned about terrorists she'd preside over the |
LibDemAlways |
Jan-01-11 09:37 PM |
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The private corporations vying for that power are a problem. |
The Backlash Cometh |
Jan-02-11 10:48 AM |
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I'm not suggesting we privatize it. Only that the current |
LibDemAlways |
Jan-02-11 11:18 AM |
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Without question. |
The Backlash Cometh |
Jan-02-11 11:39 AM |
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Who appointed her? Bush? |
mikehiggins |
Jan-02-11 10:10 AM |
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Singling out Napolitano |
Can of Whoop-ass |
Jan-02-11 10:26 AM |
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No, the PTB are using terrorism as a boogyman to scare us into accepting a police state. |
Odin2005 |
Jan-02-11 11:13 PM |
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I'm glad the ACLU is gathering the information. I hope they |
LibDemAlways |
Jan-01-11 09:38 PM |
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I don't know what aclu is waiting for. |
LisaL |
Jan-01-11 11:20 PM |
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They're looking for something that would be clearly unconstitutional, and overturn prior law. |
boppers |
Jan-02-11 02:37 AM |
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Well, from your link: |
LisaL |
Jan-02-11 02:44 AM |
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It sounds like a generic full pat-down to me, not a strip search. |
boppers |
Jan-02-11 03:07 AM |
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I agree with you, regarding possible perception vs. reality, to a point... |
TeeYiYi |
Jan-02-11 09:34 AM |
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The difference is |
Aleric |
Jan-02-11 12:42 PM |
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Google "Administrative Search Doctrine" |
boppers |
Jan-02-11 08:23 PM |
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Well, |
LisaL |
Jan-02-11 10:11 PM |
#139 |
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From the same link: |
boppers |
Jan-02-11 10:44 PM |
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Both the shoe bomber and underwear bomber got onto the planes, |
LisaL |
Jan-02-11 11:10 PM |
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Timeline is everything. |
boppers |
Jan-03-11 06:21 AM |
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I used to think that cavity searches was a far fetched idea, but |
LisaL |
Jan-03-11 09:04 AM |
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The TSA is using a threat of sexual assault to force people into their new machines, period. |
DirkGently |
Jan-01-11 10:55 PM |
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+1 |
KeepItReal |
Jan-01-11 11:05 PM |
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this is my airport fantasy: |
barbtries |
Jan-02-11 07:53 AM |
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Mine is to wear a kilt with nothing on beneath... |
primavera |
Jan-02-11 09:54 AM |
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lol |
barbtries |
Jan-02-11 11:25 AM |
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Making the TSA squirm is a start. 8) Lawsuits and assault charges should follow. |
DirkGently |
Jan-02-11 05:31 PM |
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Absolutely correct. |
Warren Stupidity |
Jan-02-11 01:19 PM |
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Wonder what they'll do to my 75 year old mother, who CAN'T go thru the machines... |
eowyn_of_rohan |
Jan-02-11 02:25 PM |
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Enhanced pat down. |
LisaL |
Jan-02-11 04:31 PM |
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Or my friend with cerebral palsy who is also a rape survivor. |
Odin2005 |
Jan-02-11 11:16 PM |
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time to send my contribution to the ACLU. |
bbgrunt |
Jan-01-11 10:58 PM |
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I'd ask them first if they plan to do anything about it, |
LisaL |
Jan-02-11 02:12 PM |
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Wouldn't this situation would be perfect for civil disobedience, if |
snot |
Jan-02-11 01:22 AM |
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Some who underwent these "enhanced pat downs" have |
LisaL |
Jan-02-11 02:18 AM |
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in another thread someone suggested singing |
mopinko |
Jan-02-11 08:07 AM |
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I think we should sing "Toucha Toucha Toucha Feel Me" |
csziggy |
Jan-03-11 01:13 AM |
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Gee, whiz. We flew over the Holidays, and maybe we got lucky, but everything was fine. |
Warren DeMontague |
Jan-02-11 03:56 AM |
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Just wait til they grope your child... |
grahamhgreen |
Jan-02-11 09:10 AM |
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I saw TSA manhandling a child that couldn't have been more than 18 mos. |
proReality |
Jan-02-11 10:19 AM |
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I saw equally terrible abuse of an elderly woman in a wheelchair. She |
LibDemAlways |
Jan-02-11 11:26 AM |
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They'd likely do an enhanced pat down on someone like her |
LisaL |
Jan-02-11 02:06 PM |
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Shocking story! |
grahamhgreen |
Jan-02-11 03:18 PM |
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i'm not surprised but i am angry |
CreekDog |
Jan-02-11 11:50 PM |
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Shocking story! |
grahamhgreen |
Jan-02-11 03:18 PM |
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I'm just reporting what I saw, Jack. |
Warren DeMontague |
Jan-02-11 03:30 PM |
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it's gotten far worse to be patted down or inspected over the past couple years |
CreekDog |
Jan-02-11 11:49 PM |
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I'm sorry that my experience doesn't conform to your expectations. |
Warren DeMontague |
Jan-03-11 12:48 AM |
#156 |
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how about forced x-rays? |
CreekDog |
Jan-03-11 03:37 AM |
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What are you talking about? |
Warren DeMontague |
Jan-03-11 03:54 AM |
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CastScope --you cannot opt out of it |
CreekDog |
Jan-03-11 03:59 AM |
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I think I must have said about 10 times in this subthread, that this is my personal experience. |
Warren DeMontague |
Jan-03-11 04:03 AM |
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No you said i was making it up |
CreekDog |
Jan-03-11 05:00 AM |
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Where did I say you were making anything up? I never said that. I said I wasn't aware of a non-opt |
Warren DeMontague |
Jan-03-11 02:55 PM |
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Well you kept denying it, here with your "throwing stuff at the wall" comment |
CreekDog |
Jan-03-11 03:02 PM |
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I know exactly what I wrote. First off, I said "as far as I'm aware". Like I said, I |
Warren DeMontague |
Jan-03-11 03:50 PM |
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you mean you didn't see any pat-downs? |
CreekDog |
Jan-03-11 03:56 PM |
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No. Actually, I did not see a single pat-down. |
Warren DeMontague |
Jan-03-11 04:04 PM |
#172 |
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Excuse me??? |
Le Taz Hot |
Jan-02-11 06:26 AM |
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The funniest thing is hearing white people say there's no problem because THEY never had one. nt |
Bonobo |
Jan-02-11 07:02 AM |
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people who don't go through it all the time or at all say it's okay for me to go through it |
CreekDog |
Jan-02-11 11:46 PM |
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My sister travels all over the country. She always travels 1st class. |
fasttense |
Jan-02-11 07:26 AM |
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I have never seen a seperate screening lane for first class. |
NutmegYankee |
Jan-02-11 08:12 AM |
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Yes, first class has their own lines in most cases |
grahamhgreen |
Jan-02-11 09:09 AM |
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Hubby is platinum level, first class - different line, same security |
Justitia |
Jan-02-11 08:30 PM |
#136 |
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i think |
barbtries |
Jan-02-11 07:50 AM |
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Her boss, should be fired |
Aleric |
Jan-02-11 11:03 AM |
#43 |
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+1000! |
SammyWinstonJack |
Jan-02-11 11:15 AM |
#46 |
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i've written to the president about it. |
barbtries |
Jan-02-11 11:25 AM |
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Have you gotten a meaningful reply? |
Aleric |
Jan-02-11 12:39 PM |
#59 |
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form letters at best |
barbtries |
Jan-02-11 01:41 PM |
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This "shit" stared under bush |
Angry Dragon |
Jan-02-11 12:31 PM |
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Not the scanners, not the groping. |
Aleric |
Jan-02-11 12:38 PM |
#58 |
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Off the TSA website |
Angry Dragon |
Jan-02-11 01:07 PM |
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yep. |
barbtries |
Jan-02-11 01:45 PM |
#76 |
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Well Obama clearly supports it. If I recall correctly he said |
LisaL |
Jan-02-11 02:05 PM |
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These people are disgusting, perverted, sick and unconstitutional. |
grahamhgreen |
Jan-02-11 09:06 AM |
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Jan-02-11 10:08 AM |
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Not legal period! |
BlueJac |
Jan-02-11 11:01 AM |
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I'm hoping the ACLU will take action against those searches. |
Lucian |
Jan-02-11 11:22 AM |
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So, get on with it ACLU. |
pecwae |
Jan-02-11 11:29 AM |
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Take some action - now.... yes nt |
seabeyond |
Jan-02-11 12:34 PM |
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I feel so much safer. |
Warren Stupidity |
Jan-02-11 01:03 PM |
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on purpose |
Locrian |
Jan-02-11 02:33 PM |
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TSA worker statements of "we dont like this either" is bullshit |
pasto76 |
Jan-02-11 02:34 PM |
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pat down photo of the day - TSA takes a peek down the pants |
Liberal_in_LA |
Jan-02-11 03:01 PM |
#104 |
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Some of those photos are very disturbing. |
Blue_In_AK |
Jan-02-11 03:15 PM |
#108 |
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You have to wonder what the hell is the |
LibDemAlways |
Jan-02-11 03:40 PM |
#114 |
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I'd rather be unemployed |
mrfrapp |
Jan-02-11 04:13 PM |
#120 |
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Just what the hell was that small child supposed to be hiding? This is madness. |
truebrit71 |
Jan-03-11 04:19 PM |
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The presumption of innocence, which is at the very heart of |
LibDemAlways |
Jan-03-11 06:25 PM |
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K&R |
Pooka Fey |
Jan-02-11 03:09 PM |
#106 |
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Sometimes I think we deserve this for being so stupid. nt |
ZombieHorde |
Jan-02-11 03:29 PM |
#111 |
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Speak for yourself. |
whathehell |
Jan-02-11 05:34 PM |
#124 |
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Where are the class action lawsuits because this shit is unconstitutional as hell! |
earth mom |
Jan-02-11 03:40 PM |
#115 |
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given what's happened i wonder if the TSA has a Don't Ask Don't Tell policy |
alp227 |
Jan-02-11 03:48 PM |
#116 |
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These abuses sound like they are coming from a small group of deviants who |
bertman |
Jan-02-11 04:08 PM |
#117 |
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No it doesn't. |
LisaL |
Jan-02-11 04:27 PM |
#121 |
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If this crap was not being tolerated or even condoned at the highest |
LibDemAlways |
Jan-02-11 06:22 PM |
#125 |
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Your statement might be more accurate if you said "to my knowledge, no one |
bertman |
Jan-02-11 09:56 PM |
#137 |
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I'll amend my statement to "No one in the federal government is publicly |
LibDemAlways |
Jan-02-11 10:03 PM |
#138 |
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Obama was very public in his support of TSA. |
LisaL |
Jan-02-11 10:15 PM |
#140 |
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He has supported every single intrusion into Americans' private lives that I |
bertman |
Jan-03-11 08:12 AM |
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The only thing that stops this |
customerserviceguy |
Jan-02-11 04:09 PM |
#118 |
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Check the Resume of the First TSA Administrator |
LarryNM |
Jan-02-11 04:13 PM |
#119 |
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Many vow not to fly any more, the best way to combat this stupidity. |
sarcasmo |
Jan-02-11 06:47 PM |
#127 |
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Yep, hit the airlines where it hurts. If people gave up discretionary |
LibDemAlways |
Jan-02-11 06:54 PM |
#128 |
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every TSA person who does not refuse to perform this BS is complicit is sexual assult. |
Odin2005 |
Jan-02-11 11:07 PM |
#142 |
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Americans are nuts to let this go on ... especially based on the farce of an "underwear" bomber!!! |
defendandprotect |
Jan-02-11 11:11 PM |
#144 |
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I am not sure but what exactly do you think we can do to stop it? |
LisaL |
Jan-02-11 11:44 PM |
#148 |
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Let's see ... how about "just say NO" -- ???? |
defendandprotect |
Jan-03-11 12:03 AM |
#152 |
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Well that certianly has not happened (at least in large numbers). |
LisaL |
Jan-03-11 12:11 AM |
#154 |
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Notice that no one is giving leadersip to resistance ... obviously, no one |
defendandprotect |
Jan-03-11 12:19 AM |
#155 |
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Fuck sakes... Does TSA mean SS in German? |
Glassunion |
Jan-03-11 06:05 PM |
#174 |
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