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Wed May-04-11 12:20 PM
Response to Reply #122 |
| 126. Something bad did happen. Not only Arab, but Euro news outlets are doubting our story. |
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I don't think it's a HUGE deal, especially if we can clarify the narrative. If not, then we will always have problems convincing a percentage of the population---and not just the conspiracy theorists, but people who are troubled by the WH's backtracking on key details in the story.
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| -White House botched communications on the OBL killing |
Bragi |
May-04-11 08:57 AM |
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Did you watch Rachel last nite? If not, you should. She does a whole segment on |
jillan |
May-04-11 08:59 AM |
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This is the fault of the media period. |
RegieRocker |
May-04-11 09:01 AM |
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No, not really. Brennan gave out information that was wrong. |
EFerrari |
May-04-11 12:33 PM |
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That was an excellent job by her (as usual) |
Ohio Joe |
May-04-11 09:01 AM |
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Nothing new -- Churchill said 'A lie can get halfway around the world before |
KurtNYC |
May-04-11 09:27 AM |
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yes, i recall that quote or something along those lines. |
iwishiwas |
May-04-11 10:32 AM |
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Won't happen. Can't challenge the narrative. even if it was a good piece. nt |
blondeatlast |
May-04-11 09:01 AM |
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it wont make him feel better. we should be clever enough, experienced enough to already "get it" |
seabeyond |
May-04-11 09:10 AM |
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Where did I say Obama is "evil" or "a liar"? |
Bragi |
May-04-11 10:06 AM |
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This isn't about "reporting" |
Bragi |
May-04-11 09:45 AM |
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WHO is the source sunday night. a name. who is it. |
seabeyond |
May-04-11 10:24 AM |
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It didn't need to be reported "while it's developing." They delayed the reporting for a significant |
WinkyDink |
May-04-11 02:18 PM |
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You "therefore blame the White House?" |
MineralMan |
May-04-11 08:59 AM |
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remember.... |
dennis4868 |
May-04-11 09:01 AM |
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Only by some. |
MineralMan |
May-04-11 09:03 AM |
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Okay..... |
dennis4868 |
May-04-11 09:00 AM |
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For once I'll agree with you |
Armstead |
May-04-11 09:05 AM |
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I don't see how facts bear you out |
Bragi |
May-04-11 10:10 AM |
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It's not what would come up overnightv |
Armstead |
May-04-11 11:04 AM |
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Very well argued. Recced. |
leveymg |
May-04-11 09:02 AM |
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"monumental and egregious incompetence". That's a whole lot of incompetence. |
Buzz Clik |
May-04-11 09:02 AM |
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"White House botched communications on the OBL killing |
ProSense |
May-04-11 09:03 AM |
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As I said, the bigger the achievement, the more the griping. |
Solomon |
May-04-11 10:02 AM |
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What a fucking joke. |
JTFrog |
May-04-11 09:03 AM |
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Oh for pete's sake. nt |
woo me with science |
May-04-11 09:04 AM |
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Confess- You were looking for anything to blame on the Obama White House. ANYTHING. |
KittyWampus |
May-04-11 09:04 AM |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
May-04-11 09:13 AM |
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DU is running out of sharks to jump. |
The Velveteen Ocelot |
May-04-11 09:05 AM |
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Breaking news is NEVER accurate. |
Richardo |
May-04-11 09:06 AM |
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Getting the story out to the press was not "monumental". |
Ganja Ninja |
May-04-11 09:06 AM |
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yes, it was monumentally botched |
Bragi |
May-04-11 09:16 AM |
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Go sell crazy some place else. n/t |
Ganja Ninja |
May-04-11 09:25 AM |
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Why have you no argument to make? |
Bragi |
May-04-11 09:33 AM |
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I have no argument because you have no valid charges. |
Ganja Ninja |
May-04-11 11:14 AM |
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You wrote: |
Bragi |
May-04-11 11:33 AM |
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Piffle...nt |
SidDithers |
May-04-11 09:08 AM |
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the misinformation started with "an official FAMILIAR with the situation wanting anonymity" |
seabeyond |
May-04-11 09:09 AM |
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Oh, Bullshit. The tendency of Democrats/left-leaning folks to so quickly turn on their own and be |
Pirate Smile |
May-04-11 09:09 AM |
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Gosh, you're all correct and I'm wrong |
Bragi |
May-04-11 09:10 AM |
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ya... pretty damn clear we are right and you are wrong, but you will continue with your trashing |
seabeyond |
May-04-11 09:11 AM |
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It was a triumph I tell ya! |
Bragi |
May-04-11 09:19 AM |
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you read the article i gave you and you say.... what is the relevance. official familiar with |
seabeyond |
May-04-11 09:25 AM |
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I didn't call them liars |
Bragi |
May-04-11 09:27 AM |
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the know nothing is your incredible lack of ability to get evolving story and how all stories |
seabeyond |
May-04-11 09:29 AM |
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The WH was too eager to announce immediately |
Bragi |
May-04-11 09:38 AM |
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some anonymous official in the unknown is the whitehouse? nt |
seabeyond |
May-04-11 09:44 AM |
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where is YOUR responsibility at looking at sources. where is MEDIA responsiblity |
seabeyond |
May-04-11 09:46 AM |
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sarcasm is the least efficient form of communication and it requires |
KurtNYC |
May-04-11 09:34 AM |
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Straw man. |
The Velveteen Ocelot |
May-04-11 09:16 AM |
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I respecfully disagree |
Bragi |
May-04-11 09:24 AM |
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Then it's obvious you haven't dealt with communicating through too many complex situations |
uponit7771 |
May-04-11 09:41 AM |
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That's not actually so |
Bragi |
May-04-11 09:48 AM |
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responding to your own post is very unattractive. |
Javaman |
May-04-11 09:28 AM |
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"Gosh, you're all correct and I'm wrong" correct. "Obama is still perfect" no one said that. |
dionysus |
May-04-11 10:00 AM |
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Geez, cut the whining. Its unbecoming. |
phleshdef |
May-04-11 10:12 AM |
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A bit martyrish |
treestar |
May-04-11 10:21 AM |
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Awwww. Did the mean people disagreeing with you hurt your feelings?...nt |
SidDithers |
May-04-11 10:43 AM |
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get used to it |
Teaser |
May-04-11 10:43 AM |
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Another rhetorical triumph for DU |
WilliamPitt |
May-04-11 10:44 AM |
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I read an awful lot of outlandishly fantastic CT crap right here yesterday. |
DCKit |
May-04-11 09:10 AM |
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The only thing botched is Al. So now put that in your pipe and smoke it. |
lonestarnot |
May-04-11 09:12 AM |
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"when you trust you television, what get is what you got |
KurtNYC |
May-04-11 09:16 AM |
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botched? bwahahahahahaaa |
spanone |
May-04-11 09:26 AM |
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fail. peddle this someplace else. nt |
Javaman |
May-04-11 09:27 AM |
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The fact remains: We got him! Obama put his arse on the line and he now deserves credit for it.. |
MatthewStLouis |
May-04-11 09:31 AM |
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I never said otherwise |
Bragi |
May-04-11 10:02 AM |
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It wasn't that the White House botched the news |
LiberalFighter |
May-04-11 09:33 AM |
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Nah, it's Obama's fault.....he let Bambi get killed so to some folk he aint ish |
uponit7771 |
May-04-11 09:43 AM |
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The official story should have been this: |
SoCalDem |
May-04-11 09:36 AM |
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Agreed. |
Bragi |
May-04-11 09:52 AM |
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Yup, |
ProSense |
May-04-11 10:17 AM |
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All the OP is saying is that the WH looks bad for having to change such a major facet of the story |
CrossChris |
May-04-11 09:39 AM |
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Who said that facet was major, also...people on DU nick pick the WH all the time about stupid shit. |
uponit7771 |
May-04-11 09:42 AM |
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Whether OBL was armed or not is a major facet to the story & the mission. |
CrossChris |
May-04-11 09:47 AM |
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Good question |
Bragi |
May-04-11 09:56 AM |
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because people are looking for ways for wh to look bad. unreasonably refusing |
seabeyond |
May-04-11 10:27 AM |
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But the official wasn't anonymous. It was WH Counterterrorism Advisor John Brennan. |
CrossChris |
May-04-11 10:31 AM |
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that was monday morning. i am talking about the initial person who first gave info |
seabeyond |
May-04-11 10:36 AM |
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No, Brennan gave the incorrect info. |
CrossChris |
May-04-11 10:39 AM |
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yes. and monday night, that same day... obama corrected him. |
seabeyond |
May-04-11 10:45 AM |
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here is what i am talking about. someone familiar (not in the know). sunday night |
seabeyond |
May-04-11 10:48 AM |
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No. |
Robb |
May-04-11 09:39 AM |
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I very much disagree |
Bragi |
May-04-11 09:59 AM |
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"Botching" would imply something bad happened as a result of the communication. |
Robb |
May-04-11 11:56 AM |
#122 |
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Something bad did happen. Not only Arab, but Euro news outlets are doubting our story. |
CrossChris |
May-04-11 12:20 PM |
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Its call Monday morning quarterbacking & unnamed sources.... |
Historic NY |
May-04-11 09:42 AM |
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what a steaming pile of garbage. |
dionysus |
May-04-11 09:59 AM |
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Excellent argument |
Bragi |
May-04-11 10:01 AM |
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steaming garbage is a correct description of your OP. |
dionysus |
May-04-11 10:03 AM |
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Now why not put forth an argument of your own that shows how the WH DIDN'T botch communications |
CrossChris |
May-04-11 10:06 AM |
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Very impressive indeed! |
Bragi |
May-04-11 10:12 AM |
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I feared I might have to do this |
Bragi |
May-04-11 10:36 AM |
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you're not making an argument, you're grasping at straws to continue your campaign against the |
dionysus |
May-04-11 11:03 AM |
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My campaign against the administration? |
Bragi |
May-04-11 11:26 AM |
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You should write for Fox News |
Lisa D |
May-04-11 10:04 AM |
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Right, because any criticism of the WH is unfair, if not treasonous |
Bragi |
May-04-11 10:13 AM |
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They had to rush the story because the East Coast was starting to go to bed. |
JVS |
May-04-11 10:06 AM |
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Why would you rush such an important story when you know details will be scrutinized? |
CrossChris |
May-04-11 10:09 AM |
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Because thats the way it pretty much goes down with all big events like this. |
phleshdef |
May-04-11 10:16 AM |
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What big events have been comparable to this? Seems getting details right would have top priority |
CrossChris |
May-04-11 10:26 AM |
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I've yet to experience one major news event where conflicting stories were not present. |
phleshdef |
May-04-11 10:40 AM |
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I agree with you. And the talk of the developing story doesn't quite wash. |
JVS |
May-04-11 10:19 AM |
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I think that "risk" was unnecessary |
Bragi |
May-04-11 10:31 AM |
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Quite so! |
Bragi |
May-04-11 10:19 AM |
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So what? Obama got Osama. |
treestar |
May-04-11 10:19 AM |
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How do we know that with the story changing all the time? |
Bragi |
May-04-11 10:21 AM |
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And unfortuately, the Repugs are always good at messenging. |
iwishiwas |
May-04-11 10:21 AM |
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But our side could get better |
Bragi |
May-04-11 10:23 AM |
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YAWN.....ho hum ho hum..... |
cliffordu |
May-04-11 10:25 AM |
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Do you believe the Republicans would have kept this secret overnight? |
ieoeja |
May-04-11 10:35 AM |
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How would anyone beat the WH to the story? |
Bragi |
May-04-11 10:40 AM |
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You believe keeping it secret from Congress would have been better?!? |
ieoeja |
May-04-11 11:12 AM |
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I don't think Congerssional leaders were informed |
Bragi |
May-04-11 11:22 AM |
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Congressional leaders were informed. |
ieoeja |
May-04-11 01:01 PM |
#129 |
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Please note the subject line of the OP |
Bragi |
May-04-11 02:14 PM |
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Is it possible that Al-Jazeera could have pre-empted the WH with a totally fabricated story |
cherokeeprogressive |
May-04-11 12:07 PM |
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Pfft. Weaksauce. |
AtomicKitten |
May-04-11 10:40 AM |
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The social narratives of a thing sometimes get a higher priority than the thing itself. |
LanternWaste |
May-04-11 10:41 AM |
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is this all you could find to bitch about? |
ReturnoftheDjedi |
May-04-11 10:48 AM |
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I don't think so. If communication was botched a bit, it is a sin on the order of using the wrong |
yurbud |
May-04-11 10:48 AM |
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That's exactly the point -- it won't be forgotten |
Bragi |
May-04-11 10:52 AM |
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How the WH changed its story |
Bragi |
May-04-11 10:50 AM |
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"How the story changed" |
ProSense |
May-04-11 10:56 AM |
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Obama Bad Obama Bad Obama Bad Obama Bad |
JoePhilly |
May-04-11 11:14 AM |
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Another fabulous argument! |
Bragi |
May-04-11 11:23 AM |
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I matched my argument to the level of the OP. Drivel gets drivel. |
JoePhilly |
May-04-11 11:47 AM |
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You are indeed impressive! |
Bragi |
May-04-11 11:51 AM |
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A picture speaks 1000 words, thus the smilies. You used many words to say nothing. |
JoePhilly |
May-04-11 11:58 AM |
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i mean fuck the misison that could have gone wrong in so very many many ways |
seabeyond |
May-04-11 11:50 AM |
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Exactly |
JoePhilly |
May-04-11 02:13 PM |
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This post makes me want to gouge my eyes out with a dirty spork. n/t |
cherokeeprogressive |
May-04-11 12:03 PM |
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Rational people are concerned with the decision and results |
alcibiades_mystery |
May-04-11 12:21 PM |
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lol. |
Raffi Ella |
May-04-11 01:12 PM |
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POST OF THE DAY! |
A-Schwarzenegger |
May-04-11 01:32 PM |
#131 |
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Yeah, whatever. |
guruoo |
May-04-11 01:40 PM |
#132 |
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Honestly who cares the guys as dead as Julius Cesar and that is all that matters in the end |
TNLib |
May-04-11 02:25 PM |
#136 |
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