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gkhouston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 01:29 PM
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64. The tapes don't have to be modified after election night.
Edited on Tue May-03-11 01:30 PM by gkhouston
Not only can you hack a tabulator to count votes in unique and self-serving ways, you can program it to give you a false tape. That's why the chain of custody with the bags (intact bags, properly sealed and numbered, with numbers matching the election night roster) is so vital. If the ballots were tabulated by a machine incorrectly and false numbers were submitted, you'd be none the wiser unless you went back and counted the paper ballots by hand or on an "honest" machine. Most places I've lived, the ballots went to the county clerk's office. If that's also what happens in Wisconsin, it would mean that the ballots for Waukesha county were in the safe-keeping of Nickolaus for some days before the bags were opened.
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  -Wisconsin Recount - Another Chain of Custody Problem in Waukesha County -This makes *4* eowyn_of_rohan  May-03-11 07:43 AM   #0 
  - K&R for the continuing incompetence in commiting election fraud.  DCKit   May-03-11 07:55 AM   #1 
  - We also had a bag on Saturday with no signatures on it.  PeaceNikki   May-03-11 07:58 AM   #2 
  - So many human "errors" ....  eowyn_of_rohan   May-03-11 08:20 AM   #4 
  - Only if replaced ballots match altered Optiscan from election night  PeaceNikki   May-03-11 08:23 AM   #6 
     - That is true. -nt  eowyn_of_rohan   May-03-11 08:34 AM   #8 
     - NOT impossible, just much more difficult to pull off.  PeaceNikki   May-03-11 08:37 AM   #12 
        - Yes, it would be tricky  eowyn_of_rohan   May-03-11 08:43 AM   #14 
        - It would be an awful lot of work for a very small gain.  FBaggins   May-03-11 10:03 AM   #33 
           - That's where my brain goes in all of this.  PeaceNikki   May-03-11 10:12 AM   #35 
           - So is there documentation of the vote count on the night of the election?  jsamuel   May-03-11 10:14 AM   #37 
              - Yes, we reconcile to those tapes.  PeaceNikki   May-03-11 10:17 AM   #38 
           - A change of 10 ballots per precinct in Wisconsin = 36,300 votes  eowyn_of_rohan   May-03-11 10:38 AM   #44 
              - or 75 votes per precinct in Waukesha County (194 precincts) = 14550 votes  jsamuel   May-03-11 10:40 AM   #45 
              - Recent Waukesha County election results  eowyn_of_rohan   May-03-11 10:54 AM   #48 
                 - I spoke to that a bit here.  PeaceNikki   May-03-11 11:00 AM   #50 
                    - With all due respect, this is your impression but I don't believe it is proven fact  eowyn_of_rohan   May-03-11 11:10 AM   #56 
                       - It's proven fact that there are few unions and few public sector employees.  PeaceNikki   May-03-11 11:15 AM   #59 
              - Sure... but how many precincts have there been problems in?  FBaggins   May-03-11 12:07 PM   #60 
                 - Yes. If only we had more volunteers in each county we might know the answer to that  eowyn_of_rohan   May-04-11 07:22 AM   #81 
        - NO IT WOULDN'T  Lefta Dissenter   May-03-11 08:00 PM   #73 
           - +1000  eowyn_of_rohan   May-03-11 11:32 PM   #79 
           - OK, in that case, how would they get the total votes to match the poll books?  PeaceNikki   May-04-11 01:39 PM   #87 
              - What are your poll books like?  gkhouston   May-05-11 09:11 PM   #89 
     - Is anyone checking them against the original records?  defendandprotect   May-05-11 08:52 PM   #88 
  - Is that technically a chain of custody problem?  jsamuel   May-03-11 09:47 AM   #27 
     - I think so, but I am not an attorney nor do I play one on TV.  PeaceNikki   May-03-11 09:49 AM   #28 
     - Sure is. There is a procedure that is supposed to take place  eowyn_of_rohan   May-03-11 10:46 AM   #46 
        - hi there!  Lefta Dissenter   May-03-11 08:08 PM   #74 
  - So they've had bags without signatures, bags without seals, and bags whose  gkhouston   May-03-11 08:16 AM   #3 
  - We're only about 10% counted so that's tough to tell at this point.  PeaceNikki   May-03-11 08:32 AM   # 
  - Wow. Granted, you've only done 10%, but still. n/t  gkhouston   May-03-11 08:36 AM   #9 
     - The total # of votes in those bags is still WAY too small to be alarming...  PeaceNikki   May-03-11 08:41 AM   #13 
        - Good that this judge seems to be handling this appropriately! -nt  eowyn_of_rohan   May-03-11 08:45 AM   #15 
        - Yes, the numbers are small so far, but the odds of all the "problem children"  gkhouston   May-03-11 09:07 AM   #20 
        - Agreed. But also understand how difficult it would be to coordinate a tamper in every municipality.  PeaceNikki   May-03-11 09:09 AM   #21 
           - It hasn't happened in every municipality, though - just 4 as of now  eowyn_of_rohan   May-03-11 09:23 AM   #22 
              - I agree, but we've only counted 5 municipalities.  PeaceNikki   May-03-11 09:35 AM   #24 
                 - We're doing the same thing...  eowyn_of_rohan   May-03-11 09:41 AM   #25 
                 - Indeed. Multiple perspectives are important.  PeaceNikki   May-03-11 09:44 AM   #26 
                 - which manicupality did you count that didn't have one of these bags?  jsamuel   May-03-11 09:50 AM   #29 
                    - Eagle.  PeaceNikki   May-03-11 09:51 AM   #30 
                       - Good to know  jsamuel   May-03-11 09:53 AM   #31 
                          - I saw and photographed small tears in some bags, none big enough for that  PeaceNikki   May-03-11 09:59 AM   #32 
                             - are they also checking the vote counts for other races?  jsamuel   May-03-11 10:05 AM   #34 
                                - No, we're only counting SC race.  PeaceNikki   May-03-11 10:14 AM   #36 
                                   - Maybe. I also don't understand how that original count is documented  jsamuel   May-03-11 10:21 AM   #39 
                                      - Optiscans are run through the machine  PeaceNikki   May-03-11 10:25 AM   #40 
                                         - how do you verify that the print out is the one that was created on election night  jsamuel   May-03-11 10:28 AM   #41 
                                            - It's all part of the chain of custody, yes.  PeaceNikki   May-03-11 10:31 AM   #42 
                                               - who conduced the canvass the day after?  jsamuel   May-03-11 10:36 AM   #43 
                                               - It was the Board of Canvassers.  PeaceNikki   May-03-11 10:51 AM   #47 
                                               - Do you know who the other 2 were?  eowyn_of_rohan   May-03-11 10:56 AM   #49 
                                               - Yes, I see them every day.  PeaceNikki   May-03-11 11:01 AM   #51 
                                               - I am sure they are very nice, but Ramona admitted that she was kind of blindsided by Kathy and the  jsamuel   May-03-11 11:06 AM   #52 
                                               - NONE of the issues found in recount have squat to do with canvass errors.  PeaceNikki   May-03-11 11:08 AM   #53 
                                               - so the tapes are kept outside of the bags until after the canvass?  jsamuel   May-03-11 11:08 AM   #54 
                                               - They are secured.  PeaceNikki   May-03-11 11:09 AM   #55 
                                               - thank you for being so nice and answering my questions  jsamuel   May-03-11 11:12 AM   #57 
                                               - Correct.  PeaceNikki   May-03-11 11:13 AM   #58 
                                               - The tapes don't have to be modified after election night.  gkhouston   May-03-11 01:29 PM   #64 
                                               - i am concerned that false tapes could be produced  jsamuel   May-03-11 04:04 PM   #67 
                                               - I'm not sure. At least one per tabulator, and I would think that  gkhouston   May-03-11 04:14 PM   #71 
                                               - If the tabulator can be hacked...  druidity33   May-04-11 06:53 AM   #80 
        - PN,  Lefta Dissenter   May-03-11 08:10 PM   #75 
           - It's ABOUT 1500 at this point  PeaceNikki   May-04-11 01:35 PM   #86 
  - IMO it is to the point where ballots should not be included if the chain of custody is broken  eowyn_of_rohan   May-03-11 08:32 AM   #7 
     - Again, the Optiscans from election night would have had to have been altered first.  PeaceNikki   May-03-11 08:36 AM   #10 
        - Again, that is true.  eowyn_of_rohan   May-03-11 08:37 AM   #11 
  - There needs to be another election with adult supervision.  Hubert Flottz   May-03-11 08:22 AM   #5 
  - Here is how *I* would steal an election (not that I ever would). Please tell me this would not work.  Ian David   May-03-11 08:52 AM   #16 
  - You'd also have to sneak the tapes from the scanner into the mix.  PeaceNikki   May-03-11 08:56 AM   #17 
     - What if you wheeled the machine into the polling place during the last hour? n/t  Ian David   May-03-11 08:59 AM   #18 
     - I would hope that the local clerk and/or election inspector and/or poll workers would notice such a  PeaceNikki   May-03-11 09:00 AM   #19 
     - Maybe it's been sloppy enough that they wouldn't notice an extra set of tapes in the mix?  LiberalAndProud   May-03-11 09:27 AM   #23 
  - Thats just weird!  Ellipsis   May-03-11 12:25 PM   #61 
  - Come on! You know the only voter fraud is perpetrated by fake and dead "Democrats"!  WinkyDink   May-03-11 12:27 PM   #62 
  - Some folks need to be chained and taken into the custody of we, the people imo k&r n/t  bobthedrummer   May-03-11 12:41 PM   #63 
  - I'll K&R that post!  Lefta Dissenter   May-03-11 08:17 PM   #76 
  - I say give Kathy Nickolaus a lie detector test  Blue Owl   May-03-11 03:25 PM   #65 
  - Another weird bag  PeaceNikki   May-03-11 03:58 PM   #66 
  - what is wrong with that one?  jsamuel   May-03-11 04:05 PM   #68 
  - It's not closed/sealed properly  PeaceNikki   May-03-11 04:08 PM   #69 
     - oh, I see  jsamuel   May-03-11 04:08 PM   #70 
  - Thanks for keeping us up to date.  jsamuel   May-03-11 04:22 PM   #72 
  - BINGO  Lefta Dissenter   May-03-11 08:19 PM   #77 
  - Nikki, is that bag the one from district 3?  Cieran_WI   May-04-11 09:54 AM   #82 
  - There were 423 ish votes in that bag. It was from  PeaceNikki   May-04-11 01:35 PM   #85 
  - deleted, dupe. n/t  Cieran_WI   May-04-11 09:56 AM   #83 
  - Election fraud is not a partisan issue. No transparency = no  texpatriot2004   May-03-11 10:55 PM   #78 
  - I'm heading for Milwaukee for a couple days  eowyn_of_rohan   May-04-11 11:15 AM   #84 
     - Milwaukee has a higher than average number of ballots with  gkhouston   May-05-11 09:19 PM   #90 

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