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PeaceNikki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 10:31 AM
Response to Reply #41
42. It's all part of the chain of custody, yes.
We can't say for sure that the bags were "lost", only that the chain of custody can't be 100% confirmed due to the issues.

But keep in mind that they were verified in canvass the day after election.
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  -Wisconsin Recount - Another Chain of Custody Problem in Waukesha County -This makes *4* eowyn_of_rohan  May-03-11 07:43 AM   #0 
  - K&R for the continuing incompetence in commiting election fraud.  DCKit   May-03-11 07:55 AM   #1 
  - We also had a bag on Saturday with no signatures on it.  PeaceNikki   May-03-11 07:58 AM   #2 
  - So many human "errors" ....  eowyn_of_rohan   May-03-11 08:20 AM   #4 
  - Only if replaced ballots match altered Optiscan from election night  PeaceNikki   May-03-11 08:23 AM   #6 
     - That is true. -nt  eowyn_of_rohan   May-03-11 08:34 AM   #8 
     - NOT impossible, just much more difficult to pull off.  PeaceNikki   May-03-11 08:37 AM   #12 
        - Yes, it would be tricky  eowyn_of_rohan   May-03-11 08:43 AM   #14 
        - It would be an awful lot of work for a very small gain.  FBaggins   May-03-11 10:03 AM   #33 
           - That's where my brain goes in all of this.  PeaceNikki   May-03-11 10:12 AM   #35 
           - So is there documentation of the vote count on the night of the election?  jsamuel   May-03-11 10:14 AM   #37 
              - Yes, we reconcile to those tapes.  PeaceNikki   May-03-11 10:17 AM   #38 
           - A change of 10 ballots per precinct in Wisconsin = 36,300 votes  eowyn_of_rohan   May-03-11 10:38 AM   #44 
              - or 75 votes per precinct in Waukesha County (194 precincts) = 14550 votes  jsamuel   May-03-11 10:40 AM   #45 
              - Recent Waukesha County election results  eowyn_of_rohan   May-03-11 10:54 AM   #48 
                 - I spoke to that a bit here.  PeaceNikki   May-03-11 11:00 AM   #50 
                    - With all due respect, this is your impression but I don't believe it is proven fact  eowyn_of_rohan   May-03-11 11:10 AM   #56 
                       - It's proven fact that there are few unions and few public sector employees.  PeaceNikki   May-03-11 11:15 AM   #59 
              - Sure... but how many precincts have there been problems in?  FBaggins   May-03-11 12:07 PM   #60 
                 - Yes. If only we had more volunteers in each county we might know the answer to that  eowyn_of_rohan   May-04-11 07:22 AM   #81 
        - NO IT WOULDN'T  Lefta Dissenter   May-03-11 08:00 PM   #73 
           - +1000  eowyn_of_rohan   May-03-11 11:32 PM   #79 
           - OK, in that case, how would they get the total votes to match the poll books?  PeaceNikki   May-04-11 01:39 PM   #87 
              - What are your poll books like?  gkhouston   May-05-11 09:11 PM   #89 
     - Is anyone checking them against the original records?  defendandprotect   May-05-11 08:52 PM   #88 
  - Is that technically a chain of custody problem?  jsamuel   May-03-11 09:47 AM   #27 
     - I think so, but I am not an attorney nor do I play one on TV.  PeaceNikki   May-03-11 09:49 AM   #28 
     - Sure is. There is a procedure that is supposed to take place  eowyn_of_rohan   May-03-11 10:46 AM   #46 
        - hi there!  Lefta Dissenter   May-03-11 08:08 PM   #74 
  - So they've had bags without signatures, bags without seals, and bags whose  gkhouston   May-03-11 08:16 AM   #3 
  - We're only about 10% counted so that's tough to tell at this point.  PeaceNikki   May-03-11 08:32 AM   # 
  - Wow. Granted, you've only done 10%, but still. n/t  gkhouston   May-03-11 08:36 AM   #9 
     - The total # of votes in those bags is still WAY too small to be alarming...  PeaceNikki   May-03-11 08:41 AM   #13 
        - Good that this judge seems to be handling this appropriately! -nt  eowyn_of_rohan   May-03-11 08:45 AM   #15 
        - Yes, the numbers are small so far, but the odds of all the "problem children"  gkhouston   May-03-11 09:07 AM   #20 
        - Agreed. But also understand how difficult it would be to coordinate a tamper in every municipality.  PeaceNikki   May-03-11 09:09 AM   #21 
           - It hasn't happened in every municipality, though - just 4 as of now  eowyn_of_rohan   May-03-11 09:23 AM   #22 
              - I agree, but we've only counted 5 municipalities.  PeaceNikki   May-03-11 09:35 AM   #24 
                 - We're doing the same thing...  eowyn_of_rohan   May-03-11 09:41 AM   #25 
                 - Indeed. Multiple perspectives are important.  PeaceNikki   May-03-11 09:44 AM   #26 
                 - which manicupality did you count that didn't have one of these bags?  jsamuel   May-03-11 09:50 AM   #29 
                    - Eagle.  PeaceNikki   May-03-11 09:51 AM   #30 
                       - Good to know  jsamuel   May-03-11 09:53 AM   #31 
                          - I saw and photographed small tears in some bags, none big enough for that  PeaceNikki   May-03-11 09:59 AM   #32 
                             - are they also checking the vote counts for other races?  jsamuel   May-03-11 10:05 AM   #34 
                                - No, we're only counting SC race.  PeaceNikki   May-03-11 10:14 AM   #36 
                                   - Maybe. I also don't understand how that original count is documented  jsamuel   May-03-11 10:21 AM   #39 
                                      - Optiscans are run through the machine  PeaceNikki   May-03-11 10:25 AM   #40 
                                         - how do you verify that the print out is the one that was created on election night  jsamuel   May-03-11 10:28 AM   #41 
                                            - It's all part of the chain of custody, yes.  PeaceNikki   May-03-11 10:31 AM   #42 
                                               - who conduced the canvass the day after?  jsamuel   May-03-11 10:36 AM   #43 
                                               - It was the Board of Canvassers.  PeaceNikki   May-03-11 10:51 AM   #47 
                                               - Do you know who the other 2 were?  eowyn_of_rohan   May-03-11 10:56 AM   #49 
                                               - Yes, I see them every day.  PeaceNikki   May-03-11 11:01 AM   #51 
                                               - I am sure they are very nice, but Ramona admitted that she was kind of blindsided by Kathy and the  jsamuel   May-03-11 11:06 AM   #52 
                                               - NONE of the issues found in recount have squat to do with canvass errors.  PeaceNikki   May-03-11 11:08 AM   #53 
                                               - so the tapes are kept outside of the bags until after the canvass?  jsamuel   May-03-11 11:08 AM   #54 
                                               - They are secured.  PeaceNikki   May-03-11 11:09 AM   #55 
                                               - thank you for being so nice and answering my questions  jsamuel   May-03-11 11:12 AM   #57 
                                               - Correct.  PeaceNikki   May-03-11 11:13 AM   #58 
                                               - The tapes don't have to be modified after election night.  gkhouston   May-03-11 01:29 PM   #64 
                                               - i am concerned that false tapes could be produced  jsamuel   May-03-11 04:04 PM   #67 
                                               - I'm not sure. At least one per tabulator, and I would think that  gkhouston   May-03-11 04:14 PM   #71 
                                               - If the tabulator can be hacked...  druidity33   May-04-11 06:53 AM   #80 
        - PN,  Lefta Dissenter   May-03-11 08:10 PM   #75 
           - It's ABOUT 1500 at this point  PeaceNikki   May-04-11 01:35 PM   #86 
  - IMO it is to the point where ballots should not be included if the chain of custody is broken  eowyn_of_rohan   May-03-11 08:32 AM   #7 
     - Again, the Optiscans from election night would have had to have been altered first.  PeaceNikki   May-03-11 08:36 AM   #10 
        - Again, that is true.  eowyn_of_rohan   May-03-11 08:37 AM   #11 
  - There needs to be another election with adult supervision.  Hubert Flottz   May-03-11 08:22 AM   #5 
  - Here is how *I* would steal an election (not that I ever would). Please tell me this would not work.  Ian David   May-03-11 08:52 AM   #16 
  - You'd also have to sneak the tapes from the scanner into the mix.  PeaceNikki   May-03-11 08:56 AM   #17 
     - What if you wheeled the machine into the polling place during the last hour? n/t  Ian David   May-03-11 08:59 AM   #18 
     - I would hope that the local clerk and/or election inspector and/or poll workers would notice such a  PeaceNikki   May-03-11 09:00 AM   #19 
     - Maybe it's been sloppy enough that they wouldn't notice an extra set of tapes in the mix?  LiberalAndProud   May-03-11 09:27 AM   #23 
  - Thats just weird!  Ellipsis   May-03-11 12:25 PM   #61 
  - Come on! You know the only voter fraud is perpetrated by fake and dead "Democrats"!  WinkyDink   May-03-11 12:27 PM   #62 
  - Some folks need to be chained and taken into the custody of we, the people imo k&r n/t  bobthedrummer   May-03-11 12:41 PM   #63 
  - I'll K&R that post!  Lefta Dissenter   May-03-11 08:17 PM   #76 
  - I say give Kathy Nickolaus a lie detector test  Blue Owl   May-03-11 03:25 PM   #65 
  - Another weird bag  PeaceNikki   May-03-11 03:58 PM   #66 
  - what is wrong with that one?  jsamuel   May-03-11 04:05 PM   #68 
  - It's not closed/sealed properly  PeaceNikki   May-03-11 04:08 PM   #69 
     - oh, I see  jsamuel   May-03-11 04:08 PM   #70 
  - Thanks for keeping us up to date.  jsamuel   May-03-11 04:22 PM   #72 
  - BINGO  Lefta Dissenter   May-03-11 08:19 PM   #77 
  - Nikki, is that bag the one from district 3?  Cieran_WI   May-04-11 09:54 AM   #82 
  - There were 423 ish votes in that bag. It was from  PeaceNikki   May-04-11 01:35 PM   #85 
  - deleted, dupe. n/t  Cieran_WI   May-04-11 09:56 AM   #83 
  - Election fraud is not a partisan issue. No transparency = no  texpatriot2004   May-03-11 10:55 PM   #78 
  - I'm heading for Milwaukee for a couple days  eowyn_of_rohan   May-04-11 11:15 AM   #84 
     - Milwaukee has a higher than average number of ballots with  gkhouston   May-05-11 09:19 PM   #90 
 

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