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davidswanson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 01:27 AM
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Killing Resolves Nothing
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The plane I was on landed in Washington, D.C., Sunday night, and the pilot came on the intercom to tell everyone to celebrate: our government had killed Osama bin Laden. This was better than winning the Super Bowl, he said.

Set aside for a moment the morality of cheering for the killing of a human being -- which despite the pilot's prompting nobody on the plane did. In purely Realpolitik terms, killing foreign leaders whom we've previously supported has been an ongoing disaster.

Our killing of Saddam Hussein has been followed by years of war and hundreds of thousands of pointless deaths. Our attempts to kill Muammar Gadaffi have killed his children and grandchildren and will end no war if they eventually succeed. Our attempts to kill Osama bin Laden, including wars justified by that mission, have involved nearly a decade of senseless slaughter in Afghanistan and the rest of the ongoing global "generational" war that is consuming our nation.

The Taliban was willing to turn bin Laden over for trial both before and after September 11, 2001. Instead our government opted for years of bloody warfare. And in the end, it was police action (investigation, a raid, and a summary execution) and not the warfare, that reportedly tracked bin Laden down in Pakistan. After capturing him, our government's representatives did not hold him for trial. They killed him and carried away his dead body.

Killing will lead only to more killing. There will be no review of bin Laden's alleged crimes, as a trial would have provided. There will be no review of earlier U.S. support for bin Laden. There will be no review of U.S. failures to prevent the September 11th attacks. Instead, there will be bitterness, hatred, and more violence, with the message being communicated to all sides that might makes right and murder is the way in which someone is, in President Obama's words, brought to justice.

Nothing is actually resolved, nothing concluded, and nothing to be celebrated in taking away life. If we want something to celebrate here, we should celebrate the end of one of the pieces of war propaganda that has driven the past decade of brutality and death. But I'm not going to celebrate that until appropriate actions follow. Nothing makes for peace like ceasing to wage war. Now would be an ideal time to give that a try.

Our senseless wars in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iraq, and Libya must be ended. Keeping bin Laden alive and threatening, assisted in keeping the war machine churning its bloody way through cities and flesh for years. No wonder President Bush was, as he said, not interested in tracking bin Laden down.

Ending the wars was our moral duty last week exactly as this week. But if the symbolism to be found in the removal of a key propaganda piece can be combined with the recent overwhelming U.S. support for ending the wars, to actually end the wars, then I'll be ready -- with clean hands and with no nasty gleam of revenge in my eye -- to pop open the champagne.

But let's return to the morality of cheering for the killing of a human being. A decade ago that would not have seemed as natural to a U.S. airline pilot. The automatic assumption would not have been that there could be no dissenters to that celebration. A decade ago torture was considered irredeemably evil. A decade ago we believed people should have fair trials before they are declared guilty or killed. A decade ago, if a president had announced his new power to assassinate Americans, at least a few people would have asked where in the world he got the power to assassinate non-Americans.

Is it too late to go back 10 years in time in some particular ways? As we put bin Laden behind us, can we put the degredation of our civil liberties and our representative government, and our honesty, accountability, and the rule of law behind us too? Can we recover the basic moral deceny that we used to at the very least pretend and aspire to?

Not while we're dancing in the street to celebrate death.

Imagine the propaganda that the U.S. media could make of video footage of a foreign country where the primitive brutes are dancing in the streets to celebrate the murder of a tribal enemy. That is the propaganda we've just handed those who will view bin Laden as a martyr. When their revenge comes, we will know exactly what we are supposed to do: exact more revenge in turn to keep the cycle going.

An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind, but the blind people think that they still see. The world looks to them like a Hollywood adventure movie. In those stories, killing somone generally causes a happy ending. That misconception is responsible for piles and piles of corpses to which more will now be added.

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  -Killing Resolves Nothing davidswanson  May-02-11 01:27 AM   #0 
  - At least those 2800+ didn't die without there being some kind of justice.  FrenchieCat   May-02-11 01:28 AM   #1 
  - justice my ass.  Hannah Bell   May-02-11 02:06 AM   #30 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   May-02-11 05:35 AM   #70 
  - Did you have a Happy May Day, Hannah? I did. n/t  msanthrope   May-02-11 09:47 AM   #132 
  - Bin Laden wasn't really a Foreign Leader.  FarLeftFist   May-02-11 11:35 AM   #158 
  - this NY'er wonders if its really the end or scripted reality TV whitehouse style  firehorse   May-02-11 05:35 PM   #205 
  - +1 --  defendandprotect   May-03-11 08:39 PM   #274 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   May-02-11 07:46 PM   #217 
  - +1  Carolina   May-02-11 05:16 PM   #195 
  - All day long I kept thinking we sure didn't stop war after we killed Sadaam  proud2BlibKansan   May-02-11 08:48 PM   #219 
  - Now we need justice for US victim's  cpwm17   May-02-11 10:17 AM   #140 
  - I hope you aren't serious.  Ikonoklast   May-02-11 10:40 AM   #144 
     - Do you scare easy?  cpwm17   May-02-11 06:04 PM   #214 
     - +1 --- and a round of applause for that one -- !!! Keep on tellin' it -- !!!  defendandprotect   May-03-11 08:42 PM   #275 
     - what's wrong with the celebrations? nothing!  LupinSansei72   May-03-11 09:21 PM   #285 
  - yes, where's the justice for the 100,000 + Dead Iraqis?  WillYourVoteBCounted   May-02-11 12:32 PM   #166 
  - exactly  Carolina   May-02-11 05:21 PM   #199 
  - Think it's more like a million -- and before this new attack half a million babies ---  defendandprotect   May-03-11 08:45 PM   #276 
  - Justice is served in a court of law in civilized countries.  roody   May-02-11 10:23 PM   #224 
  - Justice? We have already killed over one million human beings  sabrina 1   May-02-11 10:50 PM   #229 
  - We have caused far more deaths than that through these pointless wars  alarimer   May-03-11 12:44 AM   #233 
  - ... and doubt there's a soldier who comes home without PTSD ...!!  defendandprotect   May-03-11 08:46 PM   #277 
  - And what of those that fell trying to bring that justice?  JoeyT   May-03-11 03:21 AM   #244 
  - Pfffffft  alcibiades_mystery   May-02-11 01:29 AM   #2 
  - We've created many more Bin Ladens thanks to our wars in Iraq and Afghanistan  Cali_Democrat   May-02-11 01:30 AM   #3 
  - No, you are not -  RaleighNCDUer   May-02-11 01:42 AM   #11 
  - This was my first thought.  man4allcats   May-02-11 03:36 PM   #189 
     - +1000  smirkymonkey   May-02-11 05:08 PM   #194 
  - No, you're not the only one.  crickets   May-02-11 02:13 AM   #41 
  - Almost...  Agony   May-02-11 05:40 AM   #71 
  - No, you're not the only one who sees this  cpwm17   May-02-11 07:57 AM   #91 
  - I see it as clearly as you. But, then, I have a bunch of questions  neoralme   May-02-11 09:50 AM   #134 
  - you are exactly right.  WillYourVoteBCounted   May-02-11 12:33 PM   #167 
  - +10  emilyg   May-02-11 01:12 PM   #177 
  - no, I totally agree  Carolina   May-02-11 05:23 PM   #201 
  - I agree  firehorse   May-02-11 05:36 PM   #206 
  - Agree -- Wars only serve elites who profit from them -- and from knocking out Constitutional  defendandprotect   May-03-11 08:47 PM   #279 
  - Sorry, but I'm human and I know people who died in 9/11.  blondeatlast   May-02-11 01:30 AM   #4 
  - Indeed, Ma'am: This Is Pretty Silly Swill  The Magistrate   May-02-11 01:32 AM   #6 
  - hey, sir! Hope you and yours are well!  tigereye   May-02-11 06:24 AM   #80 
  - Me too!  blueamy66   May-02-11 08:07 AM   #93 
  - The OP author is a professional 'comment maker'  Bluenorthwest   May-02-11 08:29 AM   #100 
     - I have to admit that I don't follow this poster.  blueamy66   May-02-11 08:36 AM   #102 
  - And there were hundreds  Carolina   May-02-11 05:27 PM   #202 
  - Exactly, on my mind too  Sevenfold   May-03-11 08:46 PM   #278 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   May-03-11 08:49 PM   #280 
  - I believe the killing is a feature, not a bug. ( n/t )  Make7   May-02-11 01:31 AM   #5 
  - TLDNR  Swede   May-02-11 01:32 AM   #7 
  - Please, for the unititiated,  RaleighNCDUer   May-02-11 01:43 AM   #12 
  - too long did not read  Swede   May-02-11 01:44 AM   # 
     - Then why click on it?  RaleighNCDUer   May-02-11 01:46 AM   #16 
        - I didn't know it was so fucking long.  Swede   May-02-11 01:47 AM   #18 
           - Deleted message  Name removed   May-02-11 02:20 AM   #47 
              - +1  cali   May-02-11 05:07 AM   #62 
              - ego driven sanctimony  marions ghost   May-02-11 10:45 AM   #145 
              - +2 nt  Raine   May-02-11 05:23 AM   #67 
              - I'm certainly not hanging on his every word.  zanana1   May-02-11 05:33 AM   #69 
  - Hmm...ah, NM. nt  Zorra   May-02-11 08:26 AM   #97 
  - Unrec. (nt)  Tarheel_Dem   May-02-11 01:35 AM   #8 
  - Hey, you're turning into Sid's little padawan, aren't you?  Cherchez la Femme   May-03-11 05:29 PM   #255 
  - bin Laden is not human being. He is a monster  bluestateguy   May-02-11 01:36 AM   #9 
  - agreed, except... he WAS a monster. nt  Gamow   May-02-11 01:37 AM   #10 
  - He was a human being who did a monstrous thing.  RaleighNCDUer   May-02-11 01:45 AM   #15 
  - And while perhaps some time in one of our penal institutions, that we've filled with drug users  Warren DeMontague   May-02-11 01:47 AM   #17 
  - +1  crickets   May-02-11 02:18 AM   #45 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   May-03-11 08:51 PM   #281 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   May-02-11 01:56 AM   #24 
  - What would you have done, buy the fucker an ice cream cone?  Ikonoklast   May-02-11 02:07 AM   #31 
  - Not celebrating death does not equate to buying him an ice cream  adigal   May-02-11 10:04 AM   #137 
  - +++++ thank you adigal  marions ghost   May-02-11 10:51 AM   #147 
  - Thank you.  avaistheone1   May-03-11 02:39 AM   #242 
  - Bunch of party poopers N/T  Tveil   May-02-11 05:03 PM   #193 
  - +100  Hannah Bell   May-02-11 02:08 AM   #33 
  - Demonization  Hissyspit   May-02-11 02:02 AM   #27 
  - Uh yeah, because bin Laden is a demon  bluestateguy   May-02-11 02:11 AM   #38 
     - You don't seem to understand the word.  Hissyspit   May-02-11 02:13 AM   #42 
        - Actually, as unbelievable as it may seem, there are a lot of people  RaleighNCDUer   May-02-11 03:00 PM   #182 
  - lol.  Hannah Bell   May-02-11 02:07 AM   #32 
  - He had horns, you know.  Hissyspit   May-02-11 02:14 AM   #44 
     - I beg to differ. Demonization is definitely not "useless".  Solomon   May-02-11 08:08 AM   #94 
  - insert heading here  iverglas   May-02-11 05:14 AM   #65 
  - Mourning bin Laden is like mourning Charles Manson  somone   May-02-11 01:44 AM   #13 
  - Where is there mourning for bin Laden in the OP?  Hissyspit   May-02-11 02:03 AM   #28 
  - straw men make baby jesus cry  Hannah Bell   May-02-11 02:08 AM   #34 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   May-03-11 09:12 PM   #283 
  - Too fucking bad. I remember watching people jumping out of buildings b/c they had no choice.  Warren DeMontague   May-02-11 01:45 AM   #14 
  - Exactly  Oasis_   May-02-11 01:54 AM   #22 
  - it's the hypocrisy  Hannah Bell   May-02-11 02:09 AM   #35 
     - Is it?  Warren DeMontague   May-02-11 02:12 AM   #39 
     - So? People are hypocrites. Show me one who isn't.  Union Scribe   May-02-11 02:25 AM   #51 
     - What hypocrisy?  WatsonT   May-02-11 09:21 AM   #120 
  - Killing foreign leaders? Since when does Bin Laden qualify?  dkf   May-02-11 01:48 AM   #19 
  - Exactly. I wouldn't have been crying over Hitler or Himmler either  anneboleyn   May-03-11 05:54 PM   #262 
     - ... but there were no doubts as to what they did -- who but W and Cheney and Rumsfeld  defendandprotect   May-03-11 09:14 PM   #284 
  - What might we have learned had OBL been captured alive and brought to trial?  Old and In the Way   May-02-11 01:48 AM   #20 
  - +1  laconicsax   May-02-11 01:58 AM   #26 
  - +100  Hannah Bell   May-02-11 02:09 AM   #36 
  - THIS. -nt  crickets   May-02-11 02:19 AM   #46 
  - Yeah, cause I'm sure that he would have sung like a bird.  blueamy66   May-02-11 09:31 AM   #125 
  - Osama Bin Laden would have been a unsinging bird in captivity.  PufPuf23   May-02-11 05:49 PM   #209 
  - Sung? No. Bragged? Indubitably!  Cherchez la Femme   May-03-11 05:36 PM   #257 
  - +1  pecwae   May-02-11 11:12 AM   #150 
  - Maybe, but couldn't he have said anything anytime he wanted?  Zorra   May-02-11 12:22 PM   #162 
  - Exactly  Lydia Leftcoast   May-02-11 12:40 PM   #169 
  - I got in the car to come home about an hour ago...  truth2power   May-02-11 02:21 PM   #181 
  - exactly  Carolina   May-02-11 05:31 PM   #204 
  - Yes, including how many supporters would take hostages and bomb things to get him released n/t  stevenleser   May-03-11 12:55 AM   #236 
  - Well I'm pretty sure bin Laden won't be taunting us with any more video and audio recordings  Lasher   May-02-11 01:53 AM   #21 
  - not that he had been anyway.  Hannah Bell   May-02-11 02:10 AM   #37 
  - Well he'll never make another one. That is resolved.  Lasher   May-02-11 02:31 AM   #54 
  - What is the provenance  Cherchez la Femme   May-03-11 05:39 PM   #258 
  - I am no fan of death ....  Trajan   May-02-11 01:56 AM   #23 
  - Thank you. Americans really should study the history of the  coalition_unwilling   May-02-11 01:58 AM   #25 
  - Jesus probably was a historical fiction.  Warren DeMontague   May-02-11 02:13 AM   #40 
  - kr.  Hannah Bell   May-02-11 02:06 AM   #29 
  - Explain how he was executed.  themadstork   May-02-11 02:14 AM   #43 
  - the expression used was "summary execution"  iverglas   May-02-11 05:19 AM   #66 
  - That's what I meant to ask about.  themadstork   May-02-11 11:33 AM   #157 
  - Will Reuters be enough for you? If so, check this out:  coalition_unwilling   May-02-11 01:46 PM   #179 
     - Now that's interesting.  themadstork   May-02-11 03:58 PM   #190 
     - I've heard differently from several different news outlets...  eqfan592   May-02-11 05:41 PM   #207 
     - Unarmed, Not resisting arrest -- and it was a "Kill operation" -- seems pretty definite ...  defendandprotect   May-03-11 10:01 PM   #286 
  - I don't know if I agree with your thoughtful OP, but I really appreciate the alternative view point.  ZombieHorde   May-02-11 02:23 AM   #48 
  - Solve? No, it didn't solve anything. It didn't have to. It was satisfying.  Union Scribe   May-02-11 02:24 AM   #49 
  - "There will be no review of bin Laden's alleged crimes, as a trial would have provided. "  ProSense   May-02-11 02:25 AM   #50 
  - What do you find so hilarious about that sentence, pray tell?  Cherchez la Femme   May-03-11 05:45 PM   #259 
  - Consider it a formality, then  kenny blankenship   May-02-11 02:28 AM   #52 
  - No boo hoo hooing from me ... I'm glad he's dead nt  Raine   May-02-11 02:30 AM   #53 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   May-02-11 02:35 AM   #55 
  - "Resolves"? No-one is claiming this "resolves" anything.  johnaries   May-02-11 02:42 AM   #56 
  - Too soon.  crickets   May-02-11 02:44 AM   #57 
  - Most posters not actually addressing the point of the OP.  Hissyspit   May-02-11 02:48 AM   #59 
  - I know.  crickets   May-02-11 03:04 AM   #60 
  - Give it time to shake out, Hissy...  truth2power   May-02-11 05:09 AM   #63 
  - They'll figure it out eventually. Some of these comments remind me of when Bush announced he  Exilednight   May-02-11 06:34 AM   #82 
  - +1  rucky   May-02-11 11:18 AM   #155 
  - Was it really worth 2 trillion dollars and the loss of most of our freedoms to do this?  krabigirl   May-02-11 02:44 AM   #58 
  - It wouldn't have taken that long and that much money if Bushie had the balls to make a decision back  4lbs   May-02-11 04:12 AM   #61 
  - Balls? WTF?  Bragi   May-02-11 05:49 AM   #75 
     - your posts are excellent and spot on!  Carolina   May-02-11 05:45 PM   #208 
  - The US was fundamentally changed after 9-11  marions ghost   May-02-11 11:15 AM   #151 
  - Mission Accomplished.  smirkymonkey   May-02-11 05:19 PM   #196 
  - Ah hell, the war was never really about bin Laden. He was convenient. If not 911,  gkhouston   May-03-11 03:13 AM   #243 
  - thank you  iverglas   May-02-11 05:11 AM   #64 
  - It resolves one thing  quaker bill   May-02-11 05:30 AM   #68 
  - That is a very good point.  crickets   May-02-11 06:18 AM   #79 
  - Pseudo-intellectual Nonsense  ProfessorGAC   May-02-11 05:40 AM   #72 
  - So saith the Professor  Cherchez la Femme   May-03-11 05:49 PM   #260 
  - Sorry for your loss.  TheManInTheMac   May-02-11 05:41 AM   #73 
  - Someone's death doesn't make me happy, but we're safer with him gone.  franzia99   May-02-11 05:47 AM   #74 
  - There will be another Osama bin Laden...  rfranklin   May-02-11 06:02 AM   #76 
  - Normally I'm a big fan of your commentary, but not this time.  BulletproofLandshark   May-02-11 06:07 AM   #77 
  - Kick & Recommend  HolyCity2012   May-02-11 06:17 AM   #78 
  - aaaand,,,, David Swanson jumps the shark  scheming daemons   May-02-11 06:28 AM   #81 
  - That happened a long time ago  SpartanDem   May-02-11 07:04 AM   #85 
  - jumped it? he flew over it with a friggin jet pack....  dionysus   May-02-11 09:12 AM   #115 
  - Can you say MIC  mountainlion55   May-02-11 06:51 AM   #83 
  - Unrec for nonsense...nt  SidDithers   May-02-11 06:57 AM   #84 
  - So you'd like me to believe, that in a plane full of over a 100 DC natives, not one person cheered  Joe the Revelator   May-02-11 07:08 AM   #86 
  - Agreed.  blueamy66   May-02-11 08:13 AM   #95 
  - Mixed feelings  davidthegnome   May-02-11 07:36 AM   #87 
  - Correct, it's "grave-dancing" if it's someone who's liked, a parade if hated.  StarburstClock   May-02-11 07:43 AM   #88 
  - Wow, only 344 posts and you have this place figured out VERY  smirkymonkey   May-02-11 05:22 PM   #200 
  - Paragraph #2: bin Laden was not a "foreign leader"  Freddie Stubbs   May-02-11 07:46 AM   #89 
  - Agreed, at least in part  davidthegnome   May-02-11 08:03 AM   #92 
  - OBL didn't lead Al Quada? Manson didn't lead his "Family"?  Cherchez la Femme   May-03-11 05:52 PM   #261 
  - Resolved: bin Laden will not be killing any more innocent people.  Zorra   May-02-11 07:51 AM   #90 
  - Unrec. Started writing right away, did you?  MineralMan   May-02-11 08:24 AM   #96 
  - There are times when there is no other way  treestar   May-02-11 08:27 AM   #98 
  - Ssssh  Cherchez la Femme   May-03-11 05:55 PM   #263 
  - The Great God David Swanson Speaketh--and Runneth.  blondeatlast   May-02-11 08:29 AM   #99 
  - Whateva!  lonestarnot   May-02-11 08:31 AM   #101 
  - Bullshit  slackmaster   May-02-11 08:37 AM   #103 
  - I would rec your post as a good different POV, even though I disagree.  Zorra   May-02-11 08:42 AM   #104 
  - Amen (n/t)  bread_and_roses   May-02-11 08:46 AM   #105 
  - I stopped reading at assassination  NNN0LHI   May-02-11 08:47 AM   #106 
  - Um, are you so sure about that? You might want to read this  coalition_unwilling   May-03-11 12:32 AM   #231 
  - Definition of Assassination:  Cherchez la Femme   May-03-11 05:59 PM   #267 
     - You think President Obama ordered bin Laden murdered?  NNN0LHI   May-03-11 06:26 PM   #272 
        - Do I think President Obama said 'go murder OBL'?  Cherchez la Femme   May-03-11 07:01 PM   #273 
  - Right or wrong,  1awake   May-02-11 08:53 AM   #107 
  - Agreed. nt  snappyturtle   May-02-11 08:56 AM   #108 
  - Nonsensical drivel. Unrec.  DevonRex   May-02-11 08:57 AM   #109 
  - you know, i never thought I'd see that day where getting OBL would be portrayed as an unjustified  dionysus   May-02-11 09:14 AM   #116 
     - I fully expected it on DU.  Common Sense Party   May-02-11 10:17 AM   #139 
     - Which is why you come here. And why you donate?  Cherchez la Femme   May-03-11 06:01 PM   #268 
     - The same folks who would gladly wage all-out war on hooters or sexy ads on IFC  Warren DeMontague   May-02-11 12:31 PM   #165 
        - Porn producers draw more ire here than OBL (n/m)  ProudToBeBlueInRhody   May-02-11 05:19 PM   #197 
  - Vengeance is mine, sayest the Internet. Wonder how big a  neoralme   May-02-11 08:57 AM   #110 
  - It may not have resolved everything...  tallahasseedem   May-02-11 09:00 AM   #111 
  - ROFL  dionysus   May-02-11 09:02 AM   #112 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   May-02-11 09:02 AM   #113 
  - Really, DUers?  chervilant   May-02-11 09:06 AM   #114 
  - A simply excellent post in quite probably the wrong place. Yeah,  neoralme   May-02-11 09:18 AM   #117 
  - Of late  chervilant   May-02-11 09:25 AM   #122 
  - Uhm, what?  davidthegnome   May-02-11 09:27 AM   #123 
     - If  chervilant   May-02-11 09:37 AM   #126 
        - Really?  davidthegnome   May-02-11 10:36 AM   #143 
           - If you're truly interested:  chervilant   May-02-11 11:17 AM   #153 
              - I am also in the twilight years. Perhaps you understand  WHEN CRABS ROAR   May-02-11 04:31 PM   #192 
                 - Yes,  chervilant   May-02-11 10:43 PM   #226 
  - Oh lord.  Dappleganger   May-02-11 09:21 AM   #118 
  - "killing a foreign leader"  MilesColtrane   May-02-11 09:21 AM   #119 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   May-02-11 09:24 AM   #121 
  - k&r  Starry Messenger   May-02-11 09:30 AM   #124 
  - Drive-by post.  Common Sense Party   May-02-11 09:42 AM   #127 
  - No kidding.  themadstork   May-02-11 12:47 PM   #174 
  - Please quote  Cherchez la Femme   May-03-11 06:10 PM   #269 
  - Supercilious horseshit.  Robb   May-02-11 09:44 AM   #128 
  - That's a good way to put it.  Common Sense Party   May-02-11 10:02 AM   #136 
  - It makes people feel better.  Iggo   May-02-11 09:46 AM   #129 
  - Almost 7 Billion people on this planet...Some of them are rabid dogs  snooper2   May-02-11 09:46 AM   #130 
  - Sanctimonious Bull. He was nothing more than a murder who rejoiced in the killing Americans.  olegramps   May-02-11 09:47 AM   #131 
  - Scipio Africanus looks at your post and decides you are wrong  AngryAmish   May-02-11 09:48 AM   #133 
  - Yep. Exactly. I'd add  Zoeisright   May-02-11 09:52 AM   #135 
  - Confucius was wrong. Didn't even need one. They just chucked his corpse in the drink.  Ikonoklast   May-02-11 10:26 AM   #141 
     - We have reaped the whirlwind as well  marions ghost   May-02-11 11:18 AM   #154 
  - True, however I'm not shedding a tear  Taverner   May-02-11 10:12 AM   #138 
  - Amen and Amen. A voice of sanity and reason from the wilderness.  IsItJustMe   May-02-11 10:33 AM   #142 
  - I was thinking how many people's lives would have been saved if we were honest about  midnight   May-02-11 10:48 AM   #146 
  - +1 attempted K&R  bluestateboomer   May-02-11 11:03 AM   #148 
  - thanks  davidswanson   May-02-11 11:05 AM   #149 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   May-02-11 11:21 AM   #156 
  - Rewatch the footage from that day and get back to me.  Hosnon   May-02-11 11:16 AM   #152 
  - We Americans are such adolescents  Lydia Leftcoast   May-02-11 12:44 PM   #171 
     - +1000  smirkymonkey   May-02-11 05:30 PM   #203 
     - K&R!  Carolina   May-02-11 05:50 PM   #210 
  - K & R.  chill_wind   May-02-11 12:06 PM   #159 
  - Thanks.  NOLALady   May-02-11 12:09 PM   #160 
  - You could have just typed "wah" and saved us all this reading. nt  TooRaLoo   May-02-11 12:20 PM   #161 
  - !!!!  dionysus   May-03-11 05:58 PM   #265 
  - Yep. All this reading is hard werk.  Cherchez la Femme   May-03-11 06:15 PM   #270 
  - Absolutely nothing here to see.  cliffordu   May-02-11 12:22 PM   #163 
  - It resolves one thing Bin Laden is DEAD! n/t  MicaelS   May-02-11 12:26 PM   #164 
  - The majority of the responses on this thread remind me of Walt Starr's response to 9/11  Lydia Leftcoast   May-02-11 12:38 PM   #168 
  - I guess you've never read a Michael Vick thread on DU. You haven't begun to see bloodthirsty.  cottonseed   May-02-11 12:43 PM   #170 
  - Since I have no interest in sports news, I have not read a Michael Vick thread  Lydia Leftcoast   May-02-11 12:45 PM   #172 
  - Well said  LiberalLovinLug   May-02-11 01:41 PM   #178 
  - Yes, thank you  Lydia Leftcoast   May-02-11 03:14 PM   #185 
  - It was sick to watch all the spoiled GWU kids and their brainwashed chanting  StarburstClock   May-02-11 03:07 PM   #184 
  - Well said -  Hell Hath No Fury   May-02-11 12:46 PM   #173 
  - Or worse yet, a TACTIC  Lydia Leftcoast   May-02-11 12:53 PM   #175 
     - I always hated that "War on Terror" thing -  Hell Hath No Fury   May-02-11 01:04 PM   #176 
  - By David Swanson's definition, Osama Bin Laden was "a foreign leader"  Kolesar   May-02-11 01:52 PM   #180 
  - It was posted within a half hour of the announcement last night--I was on the boards  blondeatlast   May-02-11 03:02 PM   #183 
     - Amazing timing, no?  msanthrope   May-03-11 11:07 AM   #249 
  - Hey, hey, hey  BigD_95   May-02-11 03:15 PM   #186 
  - we prevented him from engaging in any more terrorism  Mosby   May-02-11 03:16 PM   #187 
  - So now his followers can work to avenge his killing  proud2BlibKansan   May-02-11 08:54 PM   #222 
  - maybe you're not doing it right if you think "killing resolves nothing"  pitohui   May-02-11 03:17 PM   #188 
  - Tell that to a Carthagenian, as regards Rome.  The Green Manalishi   May-02-11 04:27 PM   #191 
  - Yes I thought of Starship Troopers as well...  Cid_B   May-02-11 06:00 PM   #211 
  - Wow... would that satisfy your blood lust?  Carolina   May-02-11 06:03 PM   #212 
  - US troops defiled Mecca"  The Green Manalishi   May-02-11 10:46 PM   #227 
  - Fahd invited US troops into SA.  MilesColtrane   May-03-11 02:06 AM   #239 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   May-02-11 08:50 PM   #221 
  - Why didn't you address bin Laden with this?  ProudToBeBlueInRhody   May-02-11 05:21 PM   #198 
  - Isn't it wackier to expect a terrorist to behave better  EFerrari   May-02-11 10:49 PM   #228 
     - Absolutely. That is why they sometimes need to be killed. n/t  stevenleser   May-03-11 12:54 AM   #235 
     - That's sort of a harsh rule, especially if you begin to assess  EFerrari   May-03-11 01:15 AM   #238 
        - Nope. You are making generalizations and I am accounting for specific instances.  stevenleser   May-03-11 10:30 PM   #287 
     - It's also wacky to believe soldiers should have died if they couldn't take him alive  ProudToBeBlueInRhody   May-03-11 11:01 AM   #248 
  - OBL's death solved nothing.  Lucian   May-02-11 06:03 PM   #213 
  - Finally, a sensible post among all the grave dancing.  Cleita   May-02-11 06:06 PM   #215 
  - Calling OBL a "foreign leader" is a SENSIBLE post?  scheming daemons   May-03-11 12:36 AM   #232 
     - he's a foreigner, & a leader. tell me, oh wise one, which sovereign nation is  Hannah Bell   May-03-11 03:30 AM   #245 
  - Thanks. I've been trying to tell this to people all day! n/t  RoccoR5955   May-02-11 06:33 PM   #216 
  - K & R!!  proud2BlibKansan   May-02-11 08:47 PM   #218 
  - Because the Packers won the Super Bowl this year, the Super Bowl is  ScreamingMeemie   May-02-11 08:49 PM   #220 
  - We killed the shit out of Ben Laden. That solves that.  cliffordu   May-02-11 09:00 PM   #223 
  - I wouldn't say nothing. My beef with Bin Laden is resolved.  aikoaiko   May-02-11 10:39 PM   #225 
  - OK Neville, we'll make sure to remember that.  SmileyBoy   May-02-11 10:56 PM   #230 
  - Awww, yet another Reich Wing meme posted proudly on DU  Cherchez la Femme   May-03-11 06:21 PM   #271 
  - Many eloquent points. But this is an exception. You always have to have room for those.  stevenleser   May-03-11 12:51 AM   #234 
  - Killing resolves a lot of stuff  Zanzoobar   May-03-11 01:03 AM   #237 
  - Jesus H. Christ in an Army chopper!  LadyHawkAZ   May-03-11 02:29 AM   #240 
  - As you can see by the post date. This was posted WELL before  Hissyspit   May-03-11 02:30 AM   #241 
  - Going out on a limb here, but I'd be scared shitless if an entire planeload  rasputin1952   May-03-11 07:34 AM   #246 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   May-03-11 07:45 AM   #247 
  - I'm glad I was born without the knee-jerk impulse to constantly override  TwilightGardener   May-03-11 11:15 AM   #250 
  - "Dhammapada," Ch. 1, the Twin Verses 5, as quoted by Maha Ghosananda:  snot   May-03-11 12:04 PM   #251 
  - It is easier to exhibit hubris  Baby Bear   May-03-11 02:13 PM   #252 
  - Awesomely said!!!!  BrklynLiberal   May-03-11 04:53 PM   #253 
  - The OP is 'dead' wrong: Killing Resolves Some Things.  robcon   May-03-11 05:02 PM   #254 
  - Yes, As I posted upthread, when that cowardly fucker Himmler was dead, he was dead  anneboleyn   May-03-11 05:58 PM   #266 
  - A dead person will never bother anyone again, so that's resolved  WatsonT   May-03-11 05:35 PM   #256 
  - wrong once again. it resolved this one pretty nicely.  dionysus   May-03-11 05:57 PM   #264 
  - It resolved the lack of Bin Ladens at the bottom of the ocean quite nicely.  LostInAnomie   May-03-11 08:59 PM   #282 

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