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lapfog_1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 01:26 AM
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6. More like the straw that broke the camel's back.
I was a huge supporter of President Obama in the primaries and in the general. No one here was more frequent or forceful in their support (with the possible exception of grantcart). I still like him and think that he is better than the alternative. I think Ms. Clinton would have been just a big of a corporatist and a war hawk.

I don't blame Obama for not going after the Bushies. It's a political calculation, an error in my view, but there it is.

I think he has surrounded himself with too many DLC types, including the aforementioned Ms. Clinton.

I knew how he felt about Afghanistan, I had simply hoped he would re-evaluate his position.

I still hope that he goes about fixing DADT and DOMA, but I had little hope for equality for GLBTers.

He was boxed in for the bailouts, and the majority of that program happened under Bush. But he hasn't taken steps since becoming President to fix the underlying problem of Wall Street greed. We need to rebuild a manufacturing base, a new one based on 21st century technologies and requirements. We can't simply turn everything over to China.

He didn't have to bring in Rahm as COS.

He could have picked others to lead his economic team, rather than a bunch of Wall Street game players.

He talked about green jobs, but failed to make any bold moves in this arena.

He talked about Health Care reform, but what we got is Health Insurance "reform" and that looks like a corporate giveaway to me.

The Dems have caved to Lieberman and the DINOs at every turn. Progressives have been shut out.

The margin of his victory, plus the margin in the House and Senate, are likely the biggest we'll see in my lifetime, if we get nothing but table scraps or less now, we aren't ever going to get a seat at the table. That realization is hard to swallow.

And yeah, the people here that are pushing the "with us or with the enemy" meme are not doing themselves or their cause any good. All they are doing is pissing off the folks that are hugely disappointed with the turd of a bill.

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  -How deep does all this run? HCR opponents, how do you feel about supporters here? CreekDog  Dec-28-09 12:28 AM   #0 
  - They tend to resort to personal attacks when their arguments are rebutted. eom  Hello_Kitty   Dec-28-09 12:37 AM   #1 
  - You just described the internet. nt  ZombieHorde   Dec-28-09 03:27 AM   #24 
  - Depends  Prism   Dec-28-09 12:46 AM   #2 
  - thanks for sayin  CreekDog   Dec-28-09 01:00 AM   #3 
  - Yes. Well put.  emilyg   Dec-28-09 01:05 AM   #4 
  - +1  tblue   Dec-28-09 02:37 AM   #17 
  - Are you talking about Howard Dean and the people letting him do their talking?  NJmaverick   Dec-28-09 06:24 AM   #27 
  - I'm still looking for a rational justification of why setting MLRs counts as regulation  eridani   Dec-28-09 01:19 AM   #5 
  - MLRs are worse than that.  lapfog_1   Dec-28-09 01:31 AM   #8 
  - I agree, though I mainly object to regulation after the fact  eridani   Dec-28-09 01:32 AM   #9 
     - An equally big objection is, how is all that going to be ENFORCED?  snot   Dec-28-09 02:06 AM   #15 
  - Nicely done. Speaking of the Sarkisyan's -  waiting for hope   Dec-28-09 01:59 AM   #14 
     - Yes. CIGNA is run by sociopaths n/t  eridani   Dec-28-09 11:19 PM   #57 
  - More like the straw that broke the camel's back.  lapfog_1   Dec-28-09 01:26 AM   #6 
  - "The Dems have caved to Lieberman"  HughMoran   Dec-28-09 01:39 AM   #11 
  - One big difference... Lieberman is still in the Democratic caucus  lapfog_1   Dec-28-09 01:51 AM   #12 
  - You primary him and support his opponent  mdmc   Dec-28-09 03:27 PM   #50 
     - Yes, we should get rid of him  HughMoran   Dec-28-09 03:33 PM   #51 
  - I agree with everything you said.  tblue   Dec-28-09 02:47 AM   #19 
  - Amen brother/sister  yourout   Dec-28-09 06:32 AM   #29 
  - Words Well Spoken... I Agree! n/t  ChiciB1   Dec-28-09 10:47 AM   #37 
  - At times, I feel sorry for some  depakid   Dec-28-09 01:29 AM   #7 
  - I just don't get all of the hatred directed toward progressives.  girl gone mad   Dec-28-09 01:36 AM   #10 
  - I'm not angry at the people that are supporting it.  JoeyT   Dec-28-09 01:55 AM   #13 
  - I'm not angry at them; but they scare me.  snot   Dec-28-09 02:13 AM   #16 
  - That really depends.  Jamastiene   Dec-28-09 02:45 AM   #18 
  - +1  Sapphocrat   Dec-28-09 02:54 AM   #20 
     - Hey, Sapph.  Jamastiene   Dec-28-09 02:56 AM   #22 
  - How I feel about pro-this-HCR-bill DUers is, they're entitled to their opinion, period.  tblue   Dec-28-09 02:55 AM   #21 
  - I think their heart is in the right place.  hollowdweller   Dec-28-09 10:24 PM   #55 
  - I really resent being told to accept the unacceptable and havingmy rights marginalized.  saracat   Dec-28-09 03:05 AM   #23 
  - I'm tempted to buy health insurance stocks just to gouge them and  dkf   Dec-28-09 03:38 AM   #25 
  - I love everyone here.  mmonk   Dec-28-09 05:30 AM   #26 
  - I think it is really sad that there is so much dismissing and demeaning  TheKentuckian   Dec-28-09 06:29 AM   #28 
  - The Third Way is killing us.  Laelth   Dec-28-09 06:44 AM   #30 
  - Well THAT was depressing!  PassingFair   Dec-28-09 10:36 AM   #36 
  - After the treatment of the gay community and the defense of the Bush Doctrine?  VMI Dem   Dec-28-09 07:06 AM   #31 
  - The thing that distinguishes Democrats from Republicans is that  Vinca   Dec-28-09 07:12 AM   #32 
  - I feel bullied  carolinayellowdog   Dec-28-09 07:17 AM   #33 
  - I'm opposed to the bill without a po but am not mad or betrayed by  katsy   Dec-28-09 09:43 AM   #34 
  - I am opposed to the bill as it presently stands.  totodeinhere   Dec-28-09 10:01 AM   #35 
  - It depends on what kind of supporter.  Starry Messenger   Dec-28-09 11:21 AM   #38 
  - I didn't even realize people were using "left bagger" but that term has got to go  CreekDog   Dec-28-09 04:06 PM   #54 
  - I think they have a right to their view  Tailormyst   Dec-28-09 11:24 AM   #39 
  - I think that some are misinformed about the true nature of the bill,  Lydia Leftcoast   Dec-28-09 11:24 AM   #40 
  - I feel that they are wrong.  LWolf   Dec-28-09 11:28 AM   #41 
  - I'm neither mad at nor do I feel betrayed by the supporters  Blasphemer   Dec-28-09 12:02 PM   #42 
  - I think supporters are trying to make lemonade out of lemons.  Blue_In_AK   Dec-28-09 01:34 PM   #43 
  - Depends on their attitude about it  Armstead   Dec-28-09 01:42 PM   #44 
  - Exactly  dflprincess   Dec-28-09 01:51 PM   #45 
  - Everyone is entitled to their opinion  girl_interrupted   Dec-28-09 02:33 PM   #46 
  - +1  CreekDog   Dec-28-09 04:03 PM   #53 
  - I feel that some supporters are so heavily invested in seeing President Obama "succeed"  cherokeeprogressive   Dec-28-09 02:48 PM   #47 
  - Well, I think we are all on the same side  mdmc   Dec-28-09 03:20 PM   #48 
  - I Think That Most of Them Are Looking At The Politics Instead of the Policy  Yavin4   Dec-28-09 03:26 PM   #49 
  - I understand their point of view and respect it.  freddie mertz   Dec-28-09 03:35 PM   #52 
  - I'm just really pissed that Obama lied about the public option  donheld   Dec-28-09 11:09 PM   #56 
 

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