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| 15. Bwahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| -Poll: Ron Paul best GOP candidate against Obama in Iowa in November 2012. |
Hart2008 |
Dec-06-11 03:19 AM |
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Say what you will about Ron Paul, but he has some very attractive positions. |
LAGC |
Dec-06-11 04:17 AM |
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At least with Paul, they'd discuss actual issues. |
Rhiannon12866 |
Dec-06-11 04:25 AM |
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You mean with 8.6% unemployment and two military occupations this nation has issues to discuss? |
Hart2008 |
Dec-06-11 04:47 AM |
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Nah, you're right, those issues are much more pressing... |
Rhiannon12866 |
Dec-06-11 05:40 AM |
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The M$M does its best to trivialize our national politics. NT |
Hart2008 |
Dec-07-11 12:42 AM |
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He's a fucking bigot who has absolutely ZERO chance of beating Obama!!! |
Liberal_Stalwart71 |
Dec-06-11 07:25 AM |
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While this is true, Paul's conservative bona-fides are better than Newt or Mittens. (nt) |
apnu |
Dec-06-11 09:09 AM |
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I'm not disputing that point. But I am amazed and disgusted by the so-called liberals |
Liberal_Stalwart71 |
Dec-06-11 10:29 AM |
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I think that is because Libertarians, for the most part, are very socially liberal. |
apnu |
Dec-06-11 03:26 PM |
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Many libertarians think they are liberals |
jberryhill |
Dec-06-11 10:34 PM |
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In the classical sense of the term they are: Liberals opposed government regulation. |
Hart2008 |
Dec-06-11 10:48 PM |
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He'd be ok if no one ever got old or sick or hungry or injured or....... |
Magoo48 |
Dec-06-11 05:18 AM |
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Yeah, he is still a Republican after all. |
LAGC |
Dec-06-11 05:31 AM |
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He would veto every social spending thing out there. |
joshcryer |
Dec-06-11 06:20 AM |
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Any Democrat, Independant or Republican that thinks Social Security is a good thing better |
mikekohr |
Dec-06-11 06:49 AM |
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Yep. |
joshcryer |
Dec-06-11 06:51 AM |
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He'd be Castro about it. The American equivalent. |
tcaudilllg |
Dec-06-11 08:12 AM |
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He'd make Castro look like a moderate. |
joshcryer |
Dec-06-11 06:11 PM |
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Exactly. |
Enthusiast |
Dec-08-11 03:16 PM |
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How easy was it to pass the healthcare bill when we briefly had 60 Senators and a nice majority |
karynnj |
Dec-06-11 07:18 AM |
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His economic policies wouln't leave anything for future Democratic administrations to fix. |
Lord Magus |
Dec-09-11 03:28 AM |
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Do they know he considers SS and edicare unconstitutional? |
karynnj |
Dec-06-11 07:04 AM |
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Do the young people who can't repay their student loans believe SS will be there for them? |
Hart2008 |
Dec-06-11 12:01 PM |
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Paul would also be the last person to deal with a solution to |
karynnj |
Dec-06-11 03:42 PM |
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Paul thinks the US Dept of Education is unconstitutional. Ergo, its loans must be as well. |
Hart2008 |
Dec-06-11 05:17 PM |
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That eans there will be no Pell grants or subsidized loans or any ability |
karynnj |
Dec-06-11 05:56 PM |
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He will pay down the national debt, althoug he may also raise tariffs. NT |
Hart2008 |
Dec-06-11 06:05 PM |
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So you'll give up Pell Grants, Medicare, Social Security? |
joshcryer |
Dec-06-11 06:11 PM |
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When did this thread become about me? I cited a poll of what others had replied. |
Hart2008 |
Dec-06-11 06:18 PM |
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So you think the nations youth would want that? |
joshcryer |
Dec-06-11 07:26 PM |
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The nation's youth want jobs and relief from student loan debt. |
Hart2008 |
Dec-06-11 07:45 PM |
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So |
ProSense |
Dec-06-11 09:10 PM |
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The point is that student loan debt is so oppresive, they are open to Paul's solutions. |
Hart2008 |
Dec-06-11 09:14 PM |
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Wait |
ProSense |
Dec-06-11 09:39 PM |
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Sorry, the train has left the station. |
Hart2008 |
Dec-06-11 10:34 PM |
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Well |
ProSense |
Dec-06-11 11:12 PM |
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Actually, I am attacted to tall blondes...I am simply discussing the candidate's popularity here. |
Hart2008 |
Dec-06-11 11:55 PM |
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Well, |
ProSense |
Dec-07-11 07:29 AM |
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A rather cynical and invalid view, imo. |
joshcryer |
Dec-06-11 10:27 PM |
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Opinions are like belly buttons. Everyone has one. |
Hart2008 |
Dec-06-11 11:00 PM |
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OWS invalidates it on the face. You think the youth would give up social safety net... |
joshcryer |
Dec-07-11 01:33 AM |
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The nation's youth have no social safety net. They are indentured servants. |
Hart2008 |
Dec-07-11 02:13 AM |
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I have two teens. Both are too smart to fall for this, |
Mass |
Dec-10-11 05:32 PM |
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Every effort should be made to preserve |
Enthusiast |
Dec-08-11 03:25 PM |
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Are you campaigning for Ron Paul? n/t |
ProSense |
Dec-06-11 06:14 PM |
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No, are you? Obama may need him to run as a Libertarian to win in November 2012. |
Hart2008 |
Dec-06-11 06:21 PM |
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Well, |
ProSense |
Dec-06-11 06:25 PM |
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Reagan used that "Well" all the time too. Rich Little used it in his impersonation. |
Hart2008 |
Dec-07-11 12:23 AM |
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Well, |
ProSense |
Dec-07-11 07:30 AM |
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Funny you should mention Reagan. |
Lord Magus |
Dec-09-11 03:11 AM |
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Uh, after 1044 days in office Reagan had a 54% approval rating to Obama's 42% |
Hart2008 |
Dec-09-11 04:01 AM |
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No, are you? NT |
Hart2008 |
Dec-09-11 03:00 AM |
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We're not supposed to mention that |
Blue_Tires |
Dec-10-11 04:10 PM |
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Ron Paul |
ProSense |
Dec-06-11 09:01 AM |
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"There Never Was a Good War or a Bad Peace" Ben Franklin |
Hart2008 |
Dec-07-11 01:36 AM |
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At first glance I thought your post was a bit of irony; |
greiner3 |
Dec-06-11 07:17 PM |
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They are not democrats if they plan to vote for Paul |
Mass |
Dec-10-11 05:30 PM |
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In another poll Paul is tied with Romney in the Iowa caucus. |
joshcryer |
Dec-06-11 06:21 AM |
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Paul has solid support from his base. He is in this until the convention. |
Hart2008 |
Dec-06-11 05:26 PM |
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You seem to know so much about Ron Paul. |
Enthusiast |
Dec-08-11 03:32 PM |
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He's been around forever. Perhaps his time has finally come? |
Hart2008 |
Dec-08-11 07:49 PM |
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I wonder how much this is independents and Democrats who know |
karynnj |
Dec-06-11 07:02 AM |
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Ron Paul has been around a long time. People know his positions. |
Hart2008 |
Dec-06-11 07:15 PM |
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Bwahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!! |
JoePhilly |
Dec-06-11 08:07 AM |
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Obama's approval to disapproval ratiing is back to 41% approval to 51% disapproval. |
Hart2008 |
Dec-06-11 05:44 PM |
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The President is beating EVERY Republican candidate |
mikekohr |
Dec-06-11 07:51 PM |
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But not Ron Paul in Iowa. NT |
Hart2008 |
Dec-06-11 07:54 PM |
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That's it then. We're doomed. The President is going to lose to a man that is not going to be on the |
mikekohr |
Dec-06-11 08:10 PM |
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With Obama's 51% disapproval rating within a year of election day we may well be doomed. |
Hart2008 |
Dec-06-11 08:23 PM |
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ALL of the Repig candidates are unelectable. |
Lord Magus |
Dec-09-11 03:12 AM |
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The same was said about Reagan, and look what happened in 1980. |
Hart2008 |
Dec-09-11 04:29 AM |
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Dec-10-11 02:26 PM |
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We are so thankful the entire nation doesn't think like Iowa. |
Enthusiast |
Dec-08-11 03:34 PM |
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Who cares? |
Lord Magus |
Dec-09-11 03:13 AM |
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Anyone who wants the Democratic Party's nominee to win the swing states in the GE. NT |
Hart2008 |
Dec-09-11 04:22 AM |
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Nothing is funnier than the idiotic notion that Ron Paul is going to win the GOP primary ... |
JoePhilly |
Dec-06-11 09:29 PM |
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How about your Eagles making the playoffs? |
Hart2008 |
Dec-06-11 10:23 PM |
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Oh no .... not an attack on the Eagles!!!! |
JoePhilly |
Dec-07-11 07:20 AM |
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Pffft |
Enthusiast |
Dec-08-11 03:36 PM |
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Interesting how you gravitate to the lowest poll numbers. |
Lord Magus |
Dec-09-11 03:15 AM |
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It isn't my poll numbers which are gravitating well below 50% approval. NT |
Hart2008 |
Dec-09-11 04:20 AM |
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Yes, it is. |
Lord Magus |
Dec-10-11 02:25 PM |
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Actually, CNN has him lower. 54% say Obama does not deserve reelection. |
Hart2008 |
Dec-10-11 05:26 PM |
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it is not possible for Mr. Paul to become the Republican nominee . he challenges fundamental |
Douglas Carpenter |
Dec-06-11 08:16 AM |
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Maybe and Maybe not. He did run as a Libertarian in '88, so that is possible again. |
Hart2008 |
Dec-06-11 06:00 PM |
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Must see: |
ProSense |
Dec-06-11 09:02 AM |
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Paul has the war chest to go negative and is now attacking Newt for flip-flopping. |
Hart2008 |
Dec-06-11 09:10 PM |
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Where's Darcy? Oh, and we're so glad you decided to rejoin us. |
Tarheel_Dem |
Dec-06-11 09:28 AM |
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Mr. Richardson is campaigning in NH and elsewhere for "no fourth term for George W. Bush." |
Hart2008 |
Dec-06-11 05:38 PM |
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This guy is everything OWS despises. I don't fancy his chances, but you run with it, mmmkay? |
Tarheel_Dem |
Dec-06-11 09:07 PM |
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The occupy protesters need to organize politically and not just camp out in public. |
Hart2008 |
Dec-06-11 09:20 PM |
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I'll let you explain the nuances. The mood of OWS doesn't seem inclined to differentiate... |
Tarheel_Dem |
Dec-06-11 10:49 PM |
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OWS also doesn't seem inclined to differentiate Dems and Repukes. |
Hart2008 |
Dec-06-11 10:55 PM |
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"Ultimately, that hurts Obama". Good luck with that. |
Tarheel_Dem |
Dec-06-11 11:49 PM |
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As the President, the buck stops with Obama. It explains why 26% of Dems now want a new nominee. |
Hart2008 |
Dec-07-11 12:11 AM |
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Then best of luck to you & the 26%. But he's in full on campaign mode now. |
Tarheel_Dem |
Dec-07-11 12:23 AM |
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If Obama loses 26% of the Dem base in November, this election is likely unwinnable. |
Hart2008 |
Dec-07-11 12:35 AM |
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Newsflash: Obama wasn't on the ballot in 2010. |
Tarheel_Dem |
Dec-07-11 12:47 AM |
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Newsflash! FDR wasn't on the ballot in 1934, but the Dems won seats in both Houses of Congress. |
Hart2008 |
Dec-07-11 12:53 AM |
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Cool...If that's your boy you go vote for him |
Blue_Tires |
Dec-10-11 04:12 PM |
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Ron Paul is right on some issues, but on the majority of issues he is as far right as his son, Rand |
WI_DEM |
Dec-06-11 10:21 AM |
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Them Pauls are nuts....way too far right....Solutions inadequate |
opihimoimoi |
Dec-06-11 12:15 PM |
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Not for 15% of Dems in Iowa, and that says something which must be addressed. NT |
Hart2008 |
Dec-06-11 06:25 PM |
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You're putting your comments on DLCers / blue dogs? |
joshcryer |
Dec-06-11 07:29 PM |
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You need to see the poll to determine the demographics of that 15% |
Hart2008 |
Dec-06-11 07:52 PM |
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I don't need to see the demographics to know that it's not liberals. |
joshcryer |
Dec-06-11 10:27 PM |
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Sorry, but what is you definition of a liberal? |
Hart2008 |
Dec-06-11 10:35 PM |
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What does it mean to you and do you think that they would vote for Ron Paul? |
joshcryer |
Dec-07-11 01:32 AM |
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I asked you first, and yes, given the lack of other options. NT |
Hart2008 |
Dec-07-11 01:48 AM |
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So Obama is not an option to your definition of liberal? |
joshcryer |
Dec-07-11 02:12 AM |
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By what definition is giving public money to bail out banks from their own greed liberal? |
Hart2008 |
Dec-07-11 02:23 AM |
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I didn't vote for Obama to bail out the banks. |
joshcryer |
Dec-07-11 02:31 AM |
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I didn't either, but he did it. It explains why his negatives are so |
Hart2008 |
Dec-07-11 02:43 AM |
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Wait, Obama didn't pass TARP, Bush did. |
joshcryer |
Dec-07-11 03:53 AM |
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Uh, Senator Obama voted for TARP and President Obama continued it... |
Hart2008 |
Dec-07-11 05:50 AM |
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"Classical liberals" aren't liberals. |
Lord Magus |
Dec-09-11 03:18 AM |
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And neoliberals aren't progressives. |
Hart2008 |
Dec-09-11 04:17 AM |
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There is more than simply the "War on Drugs" that Paul has right |
NorthCarolina |
Dec-07-11 07:34 AM |
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Exactly, Thank you! |
Hart2008 |
Dec-07-11 03:26 PM |
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First, |
ProSense |
Dec-07-11 03:50 PM |
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More cheerleading for Ron Paul. |
Enthusiast |
Dec-08-11 04:14 PM |
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It is hardly cheerleeding to discuss that poll. Losing 15% Dems in the GE is a problem. NT |
Hart2008 |
Dec-08-11 08:01 PM |
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It's also not happening. |
Lord Magus |
Dec-09-11 03:19 AM |
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Dec-10-11 04:16 PM |
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Shooting the messenger won't change Paul out polling Obama in this poll. NT |
Hart2008 |
Dec-10-11 05:33 PM |
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They're each getting their turn, I guess, except Santorum |
aint_no_life_nowhere |
Dec-06-11 07:40 PM |
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Clearly they are discarding those who can't win. They want a winner. |
Hart2008 |
Dec-06-11 10:52 PM |
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Dec-06-11 07:53 PM |
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I'll let you have that name since its your idea. |
Hart2008 |
Dec-06-11 08:01 PM |
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Ron Paul has zero chance of getting the GOP nomination. |
AtomicKitten |
Dec-06-11 08:18 PM |
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Paul is in the top three for the nomination and Repuke primaries usually are winner take all |
Hart2008 |
Dec-06-11 08:46 PM |
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He's doing well in Iowa, less so in NH, and he eats shit in So. Carolina. |
AtomicKitten |
Dec-06-11 08:49 PM |
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He will get a bounce elsewhere for doing well in Iowa. |
Hart2008 |
Dec-06-11 09:03 PM |
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No bounce. Next is NH and Romney has it in his back pocket. |
AtomicKitten |
Dec-06-11 09:11 PM |
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So if Romney gets his pocket picked in NH, he is finished. |
Hart2008 |
Dec-06-11 09:37 PM |
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nice work on this thread |
court jester |
Dec-08-11 02:19 AM |
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Dec-08-11 02:19 PM |
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That was the conventional wisdom but Romney has been losing ground in New Hampshire |
totodeinhere |
Dec-07-11 12:11 AM |
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Romney is and always was an empty suit. He could well disappoint. NT |
Hart2008 |
Dec-07-11 12:26 AM |
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Even with the collapse, Romney is still 16 pts up. |
AtomicKitten |
Dec-07-11 03:36 AM |
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"Ron Paul's support will go to Romney." no not a chance |
court jester |
Dec-08-11 03:32 AM |
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Okay then. Stay home. Works for me. |
AtomicKitten |
Dec-08-11 02:17 PM |
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First Hart, then Darcy, now Ron? |
BklnDem75 |
Dec-06-11 11:33 PM |
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I am supporting Mr. Richardson now not Ron Paul, thank you very much. |
Hart2008 |
Dec-07-11 12:00 AM |
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Richardson? Do you mean Johnson another former NM governor? |
karynnj |
Dec-07-11 07:31 AM |
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I mean Darcy Richardson, the aid to Eugene McCarthy who is challenging Obama in the Dem primaries. |
Hart2008 |
Dec-07-11 03:35 PM |
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No one here thinks Obama has a divine right to the election |
karynnj |
Dec-07-11 04:09 PM |
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Please speak for yourself. Other here clearly believe that he does with his 51% disapproval rating. |
Hart2008 |
Dec-07-11 05:39 PM |
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So, is there a wellspring of support for Richardson? |
karynnj |
Dec-08-11 06:57 AM |
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Where else do the 26% of Dems who want another nominee have to go? To what other candidate? |
Hart2008 |
Dec-08-11 08:15 AM |
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Could've fooled me |
BklnDem75 |
Dec-07-11 08:20 AM |
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Sorry, explaining Ron Paul's attraction to voters is not "selling" his candidacy. |
Hart2008 |
Dec-07-11 03:42 PM |
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He has the same level of support he did in 2008 |
BklnDem75 |
Dec-07-11 04:10 PM |
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In 2008 Paul wasn't attracting the support of 15% of Dems in Iowa. |
Hart2008 |
Dec-07-11 05:45 PM |
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More like wishful thinking |
BklnDem75 |
Dec-07-11 06:11 PM |
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26% of Dems nationwide want a new nominee, and 15% of Iowa Dems prefer Paul over Obama. |
Hart2008 |
Dec-07-11 07:18 PM |
#124 |
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LOL! It ain't happening |
BklnDem75 |
Dec-08-11 12:15 AM |
#126 |
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The Poll certainly makes Trump's 'Newt & Santorum Debate' seem stupid |
tomm2thumbs |
Dec-07-11 07:14 AM |
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Sounds like Trump will be hosting a talk show and not a debate. NT |
Hart2008 |
Dec-07-11 03:46 PM |
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Dream On |
Proud Liberal Dem |
Dec-07-11 04:02 PM |
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Dec-07-11 05:38 PM |
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With a 51% disapproval rating, Obama needs a third candidate to win in November 2012. |
Hart2008 |
Dec-07-11 08:16 PM |
#125 |
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No he doesn't |
karynnj |
Dec-08-11 07:10 AM |
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Which president won reelection with a disapproval rating over 50% < 1 year of the election? |
Hart2008 |
Dec-08-11 07:58 PM |
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Dec-09-11 03:19 AM |
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How about engaging in debate rather than just calling people names? NT |
Hart2008 |
Dec-09-11 04:07 AM |
#156 |
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By 'best' I assume the OP means the candidate with the strongest |
coalition_unwilling |
Dec-08-11 05:13 PM |
#140 |
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What is more disturbing is who has benefited that "robost" government intervention. |
Hart2008 |
Dec-08-11 08:05 PM |
#144 |
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I'm no fan of Obama, having written him off largely after the |
coalition_unwilling |
Dec-09-11 02:33 AM |
#145 |
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Found it |
ProSense |
Dec-10-11 04:22 PM |
#166 |
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No, you made that map. Why can't you engage in honest debate here? |
Hart2008 |
Dec-10-11 05:37 PM |
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Hmmm? |
ProSense |
Dec-10-11 05:48 PM |
#172 |
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