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bhikkhu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-05-11 10:27 AM
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88. I can just as easliy say those are hardly impartial!
...but a way around the circular bias accusations is to look at actual numbers, as the results to date of the implementation of the trade policies we have been talking about.

I like it that Obama's policies are driving economic growth and job growth, expanding exports and shrinking the trade deficit, as we go into an election year. Can we agree that its good news, that he's doing ok?
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  -"Obama Is About To Give A Huge Class Warfare Speech" Pirate Smile  Dec-04-11 10:01 AM   #0 
  - "Make no mistake: the three Bush free-trade bills that I just passed with  MannyGoldstein   Dec-04-11 10:07 AM   #1 
  - +++++++++++++++ (n/t)  bread_and_roses   Dec-04-11 10:09 AM   #2 
  - Well, yeah, I think there's no expectation that he's actually going to support the 99% in it  saras   Dec-04-11 10:17 AM   #4 
  - YOU ARE RIGHT ON TARGET  HowHasItComeToThis   Dec-04-11 11:13 AM   #25 
  - Yes! nt  Vanje   Dec-04-11 01:21 PM   #47 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Dec-04-11 10:18 AM   #5 
  - All free trade treaties are not exactly alike  treestar   Dec-04-11 11:01 AM   #19 
  - Feel free to link to impartial projections showing a net increase in US jobs.  MannyGoldstein   Dec-04-11 11:27 AM   #27 
     - that's been done a zillion times  treestar   Dec-04-11 11:37 AM   #32 
        - Well, I've yet to see it.  MannyGoldstein   Dec-04-11 11:48 AM   #36 
           - "Free-trade Pact US Jobs Gains May be Underestimated"  bhikkhu   Dec-04-11 02:59 PM   #54 
              - Can't speak to the Colombia or Panama  rpannier   Dec-05-11 01:56 AM   #80 
              - How about an impartial projection?  MannyGoldstein   Dec-05-11 06:42 AM   #82 
                 - I can just as easliy say those are hardly impartial!  bhikkhu   Dec-05-11 10:27 AM   #88 
                    - EPI has an agenda?  MannyGoldstein   Dec-05-11 05:48 PM   #93 
                       - Largely it is the monetary policy  bhikkhu   Dec-05-11 07:10 PM   #94 
  - Not according to Michigan.  Life Long Dem   Dec-04-11 11:11 AM   #23 
  - Trumka and the AFL-CIO say they're a catastrophe. nt  MannyGoldstein   Dec-04-11 11:50 AM   #37 
  - If anyone in the US honestly believes they'll increase the sales of new cars here in Korea  rpannier   Dec-05-11 01:53 AM   #79 
  - Ouch. nt  Zorra   Dec-05-11 10:39 AM   #89 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Dec-04-11 10:13 AM   #3 
  - Yeah, I know the drill.  tblue   Dec-04-11 10:20 AM   #6 
  - Speech preview  SixthSense   Dec-04-11 10:24 AM   #7 
  - Lol! But in between the two:  tblue   Dec-04-11 10:49 AM   #11 
  - I think this is going to be the campaign. This view vs. the Republican view & Republicans are going  Pirate Smile   Dec-04-11 10:37 AM   #9 
  - Oh great. Another wannabe dictator.  treestar   Dec-04-11 11:02 AM   #20 
  - I voted in 2010. And stop taking about my butt.  tblue   Dec-04-11 11:12 AM   #24 
     - I don't need a leader  treestar   Dec-04-11 11:37 AM   #31 
  - once bitten? make that over and over and over again bitten....  robinlynne   Dec-04-11 10:27 PM   #77 
  - Yeah, like he gives a crap.. He's only doing this now to get votes. Fool me once,  Lionessa   Dec-04-11 10:29 AM   #8 
  - Maybe  ProSense   Dec-04-11 10:39 AM   #10 
  - Your propaganda hasn't worked on me yet. Not going to today either.  Lionessa   Dec-04-11 10:49 AM   #12 
     - I know  ProSense   Dec-04-11 10:52 AM   #13 
     - Everything in that list with few exceptions are so ...  Lionessa   Dec-04-11 10:54 AM   #14 
     - Good  ProSense   Dec-04-11 10:57 AM   #17 
     - I doubt Obama gives 2 shits about what you find shameful.`  phleshdef   Dec-04-11 10:59 AM   #18 
     - Or any of the other 99%ers, which is all I've been saying all along. Thanks for verifying.  Lionessa   Dec-04-11 11:05 AM   #22 
        - Obama is the only political leader to produce ANY results to help the 99% for the past 3 years.  phleshdef   Dec-04-11 11:26 AM   #26 
           - I call your Obama and raise you an Elizabeth Warren.  Lionessa   Dec-04-11 11:30 AM   #30 
              - Yes. Elizabeth Warren. A long time friend of Barack Obama and someone that was deliberately elevated  phleshdef   Dec-04-11 12:25 PM   #40 
                 - You people never end giving all credit to Obama, wow, just wow.  Lionessa   Dec-04-11 12:32 PM   #41 
                    - Maybe then the problem is with what you have read/heard. n/t  BzaDem   Dec-04-11 02:25 PM   #51 
                    - I didn't give all credit to Obama and Elizabeth Warren couldn't have been an advisor at all...  phleshdef   Dec-04-11 03:04 PM   #56 
     - .  dionysus   Dec-05-11 09:15 AM   #83 
     - The perpetually disgruntled are as hair-trigger anti-Obama as the RW.  Pirate Smile   Dec-04-11 10:57 AM   #16 
        - I could say being hair-trigger pro-Obama is like being RW pro-Republican.  tblue   Dec-04-11 11:04 AM   #21 
        - When he does something you don't like, criticize it. But it makes no sense to bash him when he is  Pirate Smile   Dec-04-11 11:29 AM   #29 
           - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-04-11 11:39 AM   #33 
           - Wow. I don't know who you are for winning the next election - certainly not Obama.  Pirate Smile   Dec-04-11 11:45 AM   #34 
           - I don't think "dupe" means what you think it means.  BzaDem   Dec-04-11 02:27 PM   #52 
           - These folks have absolutely no qualms about showing their true colors  Number23   Dec-04-11 04:52 PM   #69 
        - 2011-2012 trusim  Sheepshank   Dec-05-11 09:27 AM   #84 
     - Fail.  JTFrog   Dec-04-11 10:54 AM   #15 
     - Clock is ticking.  Ikonoklast   Dec-04-11 12:52 PM   #46 
     - I think you are projecting n/t  emulatorloo   Dec-04-11 04:42 PM   #64 
  - You can only fool people for so long.  woo me with science   Dec-04-11 12:42 PM   #44 
  - 21 straight months of steady job growth, in spite of all obstruction  bhikkhu   Dec-04-11 03:03 PM   #55 
     - Oh for pete's sake.  woo me with science   Dec-04-11 03:32 PM   #59 
        - Their point is to grow the economy and create jobs  bhikkhu   Dec-04-11 03:37 PM   #60 
           - It's not a matter of "liking" Robert Reich or not,  woo me with science   Dec-04-11 05:38 PM   #72 
              - Nevertheless, total job numbers are increasing and the economy is growing  bhikkhu   Dec-04-11 06:06 PM   #73 
                 - You need to reread the threads.  woo me with science   Dec-04-11 08:18 PM   #75 
  - why are you posting on a pro Dem site? n/t  Sheepshank   Dec-05-11 05:13 PM   #92 
  - Speech would be more credible if he hadn't waited 2 years, 10 months and 15 days to give it.  lumberjack_jeff   Dec-04-11 11:28 AM   #28 
  - True, horses out of barn, had little baby horses and baby horses had babies.  Safetykitten   Dec-04-11 11:45 AM   #35 
  - Like  ProSense   Dec-04-11 11:57 AM   #38 
  - He gave speeches 2 year, 10 months and 15 days prior; it's just he didn't  Lionessa   Dec-04-11 12:35 PM   #42 
  - Past performance is a good indicator of future results.  lumberjack_jeff   Dec-04-11 12:37 PM   #43 
     - I'm sure it's not exactly the same speech, but I'm sure the gist of it was  Lionessa   Dec-04-11 12:44 PM   #45 
        - If the reality is that Obama is worse than the other major party candidate, then I don't know anyone  BzaDem   Dec-04-11 02:29 PM   #53 
  - I'm not sure 2 years, 10 months and 15 days ago Obama would have known  Sheepshank   Dec-05-11 09:32 AM   #85 
     - Well, I think that there was a hint in how the Republicans treated Bill Clinton.  amandabeech   Dec-05-11 04:21 PM   #90 
        - So? You're saying that's how any President should govern from day one of their Presidency?nt  Sheepshank   Dec-05-11 04:51 PM   #91 
           - I think that every President should understand his or her opposition  amandabeech   Dec-06-11 05:04 PM   #96 
              - Understanding the opposition is one were espousing governing method....  Sheepshank   Dec-06-11 05:51 PM   #97 
  - The grass is always greener......  lindalou65   Dec-04-11 12:13 PM   #39 
  - Full text of Roosevelt's speech at Osawatomie can be read  Bluenorthwest   Dec-04-11 01:44 PM   #48 
  - Yes. Indeed.  Vanje   Dec-04-11 02:16 PM   #50 
  - Three years is more than enough time to know his real priorities,  woo me with science   Dec-04-11 01:59 PM   #49 
  - BS, without evidence.  bhikkhu   Dec-04-11 03:06 PM   #57 
     - We have been here for three years, my friend. Have you been paying attention?  woo me with science   Dec-04-11 03:26 PM   #58 
        - Ok - I know about all those things  bhikkhu   Dec-04-11 03:43 PM   #62 
        - "Some are a stretch to use as any criticism of Obama..."  woo me with science   Dec-04-11 05:00 PM   #70 
           - All of that has been hashed over here, over and over again  bhikkhu   Dec-04-11 06:48 PM   #74 
              - I will take these one at a time:  woo me with science   Dec-04-11 09:10 PM   #76 
                 - Your replies are well organized, well thought out,  bhikkhu   Dec-05-11 09:09 PM   #95 
        - FDL memes and oversimplification don't carry much weight  emulatorloo   Dec-04-11 04:44 PM   #65 
           - Typical eight-word response from you.  woo me with science   Dec-04-11 05:05 PM   #71 
  - using a speech by a Republican in his failed bid for the Presidency  ProfessionalLeftist   Dec-04-11 03:38 PM   #61 
  - Teddy Roosevelt did a lot of great things as President  emulatorloo   Dec-04-11 04:36 PM   #63 
  - True. He puts "typical modern Republicans" (who are batshit crazy) to shame  ProfessionalLeftist   Dec-04-11 04:47 PM   #67 
  - "Alleged" Democratic candidate?  Pirate Smile   Dec-04-11 04:47 PM   #66 
     - Well, anyone who advocates for cutting SS ...  ProfessionalLeftist   Dec-04-11 04:50 PM   #68 
        - I can't find a reference to those words....  Sheepshank   Dec-05-11 09:34 AM   #86 
  - I wish Campaign Obama was President, I really like him.  Marrah_G   Dec-05-11 12:34 AM   #78 
  - No, I think you wish words could become laws by magic  frazzled   Dec-06-11 06:02 PM   #98 
  - His team has concluded that it will help him get reelected.  hulka38   Dec-05-11 04:55 AM   #81 
  - Oh, pleaee - Obama serves the 1%, not the 99%. Give me  coalition_unwilling   Dec-05-11 10:23 AM   #87 

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