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Sun Dec-04-11 05:38 PM
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| 72. It's not a matter of "liking" Robert Reich or not, |
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Edited on Sun Dec-04-11 05:43 PM by woo me with science
just as it's not a matter of "liking" Obama or not. You know as well as I do that the "facts and numbers" you reference have been debated ad nauseum on this board over the past two days, and that many have provided extensive context, as well as other "facts and numbers," that show what spin this cheering really is. Of course you will ignore all that, but that is to be expected. This board has become an embarrassment in terms of downplaying the serious economic state we are in, in order to defend egregious Republican/corporate policies that will cause a world of further harm.
As I have stated recently in another thread, this is a horrible tactic even politically. Throwing out isolated numbers that obscure the larger picture, while ignoring the context of those numbers and other numbers that belie them, does not fool people into cheering for policies that are destructive. It does not fool them into believing that the criminal bank-excusing, budget slashing, austerity-promoting, and outsourcing-causing status quo is the right track to be on. On the contrary, it insults and enrages people who are living this debacle, and it demonstrates for them a horrifying inability to clearly see and acknowledge the real problems that are drowning this economy.
And that level of denial does not inspire confidence in the ability to SOLVE the problems.
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| -"Obama Is About To Give A Huge Class Warfare Speech" |
Pirate Smile |
Dec-04-11 10:01 AM |
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"Make no mistake: the three Bush free-trade bills that I just passed with |
MannyGoldstein |
Dec-04-11 10:07 AM |
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+++++++++++++++ (n/t) |
bread_and_roses |
Dec-04-11 10:09 AM |
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Well, yeah, I think there's no expectation that he's actually going to support the 99% in it |
saras |
Dec-04-11 10:17 AM |
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YOU ARE RIGHT ON TARGET |
HowHasItComeToThis |
Dec-04-11 11:13 AM |
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Yes! nt |
Vanje |
Dec-04-11 01:21 PM |
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Name removed |
Dec-04-11 10:18 AM |
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All free trade treaties are not exactly alike |
treestar |
Dec-04-11 11:01 AM |
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Feel free to link to impartial projections showing a net increase in US jobs. |
MannyGoldstein |
Dec-04-11 11:27 AM |
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that's been done a zillion times |
treestar |
Dec-04-11 11:37 AM |
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Well, I've yet to see it. |
MannyGoldstein |
Dec-04-11 11:48 AM |
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"Free-trade Pact US Jobs Gains May be Underestimated" |
bhikkhu |
Dec-04-11 02:59 PM |
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Can't speak to the Colombia or Panama |
rpannier |
Dec-05-11 01:56 AM |
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How about an impartial projection? |
MannyGoldstein |
Dec-05-11 06:42 AM |
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I can just as easliy say those are hardly impartial! |
bhikkhu |
Dec-05-11 10:27 AM |
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EPI has an agenda? |
MannyGoldstein |
Dec-05-11 05:48 PM |
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Largely it is the monetary policy |
bhikkhu |
Dec-05-11 07:10 PM |
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Not according to Michigan. |
Life Long Dem |
Dec-04-11 11:11 AM |
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Trumka and the AFL-CIO say they're a catastrophe. nt |
MannyGoldstein |
Dec-04-11 11:50 AM |
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If anyone in the US honestly believes they'll increase the sales of new cars here in Korea |
rpannier |
Dec-05-11 01:53 AM |
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Ouch. nt |
Zorra |
Dec-05-11 10:39 AM |
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Deleted sub-thread |
Name removed |
Dec-04-11 10:13 AM |
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Yeah, I know the drill. |
tblue |
Dec-04-11 10:20 AM |
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Speech preview |
SixthSense |
Dec-04-11 10:24 AM |
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Lol! But in between the two: |
tblue |
Dec-04-11 10:49 AM |
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I think this is going to be the campaign. This view vs. the Republican view & Republicans are going |
Pirate Smile |
Dec-04-11 10:37 AM |
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Oh great. Another wannabe dictator. |
treestar |
Dec-04-11 11:02 AM |
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I voted in 2010. And stop taking about my butt. |
tblue |
Dec-04-11 11:12 AM |
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I don't need a leader |
treestar |
Dec-04-11 11:37 AM |
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once bitten? make that over and over and over again bitten.... |
robinlynne |
Dec-04-11 10:27 PM |
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Yeah, like he gives a crap.. He's only doing this now to get votes. Fool me once, |
Lionessa |
Dec-04-11 10:29 AM |
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Maybe |
ProSense |
Dec-04-11 10:39 AM |
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Your propaganda hasn't worked on me yet. Not going to today either. |
Lionessa |
Dec-04-11 10:49 AM |
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I know |
ProSense |
Dec-04-11 10:52 AM |
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Everything in that list with few exceptions are so ... |
Lionessa |
Dec-04-11 10:54 AM |
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Good |
ProSense |
Dec-04-11 10:57 AM |
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I doubt Obama gives 2 shits about what you find shameful.` |
phleshdef |
Dec-04-11 10:59 AM |
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Or any of the other 99%ers, which is all I've been saying all along. Thanks for verifying. |
Lionessa |
Dec-04-11 11:05 AM |
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Obama is the only political leader to produce ANY results to help the 99% for the past 3 years. |
phleshdef |
Dec-04-11 11:26 AM |
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I call your Obama and raise you an Elizabeth Warren. |
Lionessa |
Dec-04-11 11:30 AM |
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Yes. Elizabeth Warren. A long time friend of Barack Obama and someone that was deliberately elevated |
phleshdef |
Dec-04-11 12:25 PM |
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You people never end giving all credit to Obama, wow, just wow. |
Lionessa |
Dec-04-11 12:32 PM |
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Maybe then the problem is with what you have read/heard. n/t |
BzaDem |
Dec-04-11 02:25 PM |
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I didn't give all credit to Obama and Elizabeth Warren couldn't have been an advisor at all... |
phleshdef |
Dec-04-11 03:04 PM |
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. |
dionysus |
Dec-05-11 09:15 AM |
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The perpetually disgruntled are as hair-trigger anti-Obama as the RW. |
Pirate Smile |
Dec-04-11 10:57 AM |
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I could say being hair-trigger pro-Obama is like being RW pro-Republican. |
tblue |
Dec-04-11 11:04 AM |
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When he does something you don't like, criticize it. But it makes no sense to bash him when he is |
Pirate Smile |
Dec-04-11 11:29 AM |
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Dec-04-11 11:39 AM |
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Wow. I don't know who you are for winning the next election - certainly not Obama. |
Pirate Smile |
Dec-04-11 11:45 AM |
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I don't think "dupe" means what you think it means. |
BzaDem |
Dec-04-11 02:27 PM |
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These folks have absolutely no qualms about showing their true colors |
Number23 |
Dec-04-11 04:52 PM |
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2011-2012 trusim |
Sheepshank |
Dec-05-11 09:27 AM |
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Fail. |
JTFrog |
Dec-04-11 10:54 AM |
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Clock is ticking. |
Ikonoklast |
Dec-04-11 12:52 PM |
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I think you are projecting n/t |
emulatorloo |
Dec-04-11 04:42 PM |
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You can only fool people for so long. |
woo me with science |
Dec-04-11 12:42 PM |
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21 straight months of steady job growth, in spite of all obstruction |
bhikkhu |
Dec-04-11 03:03 PM |
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Oh for pete's sake. |
woo me with science |
Dec-04-11 03:32 PM |
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Their point is to grow the economy and create jobs |
bhikkhu |
Dec-04-11 03:37 PM |
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It's not a matter of "liking" Robert Reich or not, |
woo me with science |
Dec-04-11 05:38 PM |
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Nevertheless, total job numbers are increasing and the economy is growing |
bhikkhu |
Dec-04-11 06:06 PM |
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You need to reread the threads. |
woo me with science |
Dec-04-11 08:18 PM |
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why are you posting on a pro Dem site? n/t |
Sheepshank |
Dec-05-11 05:13 PM |
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Speech would be more credible if he hadn't waited 2 years, 10 months and 15 days to give it. |
lumberjack_jeff |
Dec-04-11 11:28 AM |
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True, horses out of barn, had little baby horses and baby horses had babies. |
Safetykitten |
Dec-04-11 11:45 AM |
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Like |
ProSense |
Dec-04-11 11:57 AM |
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He gave speeches 2 year, 10 months and 15 days prior; it's just he didn't |
Lionessa |
Dec-04-11 12:35 PM |
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Past performance is a good indicator of future results. |
lumberjack_jeff |
Dec-04-11 12:37 PM |
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I'm sure it's not exactly the same speech, but I'm sure the gist of it was |
Lionessa |
Dec-04-11 12:44 PM |
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If the reality is that Obama is worse than the other major party candidate, then I don't know anyone |
BzaDem |
Dec-04-11 02:29 PM |
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I'm not sure 2 years, 10 months and 15 days ago Obama would have known |
Sheepshank |
Dec-05-11 09:32 AM |
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Well, I think that there was a hint in how the Republicans treated Bill Clinton. |
amandabeech |
Dec-05-11 04:21 PM |
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So? You're saying that's how any President should govern from day one of their Presidency?nt |
Sheepshank |
Dec-05-11 04:51 PM |
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I think that every President should understand his or her opposition |
amandabeech |
Dec-06-11 05:04 PM |
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Understanding the opposition is one thing...you were espousing governing method.... |
Sheepshank |
Dec-06-11 05:51 PM |
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The grass is always greener...... |
lindalou65 |
Dec-04-11 12:13 PM |
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Full text of Roosevelt's speech at Osawatomie can be read |
Bluenorthwest |
Dec-04-11 01:44 PM |
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Yes. Indeed. |
Vanje |
Dec-04-11 02:16 PM |
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Three years is more than enough time to know his real priorities, |
woo me with science |
Dec-04-11 01:59 PM |
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BS, without evidence. |
bhikkhu |
Dec-04-11 03:06 PM |
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We have been here for three years, my friend. Have you been paying attention? |
woo me with science |
Dec-04-11 03:26 PM |
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Ok - I know about all those things |
bhikkhu |
Dec-04-11 03:43 PM |
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"Some are a stretch to use as any criticism of Obama..." |
woo me with science |
Dec-04-11 05:00 PM |
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All of that has been hashed over here, over and over again |
bhikkhu |
Dec-04-11 06:48 PM |
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I will take these one at a time: |
woo me with science |
Dec-04-11 09:10 PM |
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Your replies are well organized, well thought out, |
bhikkhu |
Dec-05-11 09:09 PM |
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FDL memes and oversimplification don't carry much weight |
emulatorloo |
Dec-04-11 04:44 PM |
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Typical eight-word response from you. |
woo me with science |
Dec-04-11 05:05 PM |
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Ummm...is using a speech by a Republican in his failed bid for the Presidency |
ProfessionalLeftist |
Dec-04-11 03:38 PM |
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Teddy Roosevelt did a lot of great things as President |
emulatorloo |
Dec-04-11 04:36 PM |
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True. He puts "typical modern Republicans" (who are batshit crazy) to shame |
ProfessionalLeftist |
Dec-04-11 04:47 PM |
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"Alleged" Democratic candidate? |
Pirate Smile |
Dec-04-11 04:47 PM |
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Well, anyone who advocates for cutting SS ... |
ProfessionalLeftist |
Dec-04-11 04:50 PM |
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I can't find a reference to those words.... |
Sheepshank |
Dec-05-11 09:34 AM |
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I wish Campaign Obama was President, I really like him. |
Marrah_G |
Dec-05-11 12:34 AM |
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No, I think you wish words could become laws by magic |
frazzled |
Dec-06-11 06:02 PM |
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His team has concluded that it will help him get reelected. |
hulka38 |
Dec-05-11 04:55 AM |
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Oh, pleaee - Obama serves the 1%, not the 99%. Give me |
coalition_unwilling |
Dec-05-11 10:23 AM |
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