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Remember Me Donating Member (730 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-28-11 10:14 AM
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136. Once again: CORROBORATION ISN'T PROOF.
It's just another voice saying, yeah, that's what happened. But it's not in and of itself proof.

And where you've got whistleblowers -- which the unnamed source is -- you're not likely to find any corroboration, let alone PROOF (unless the whistleblower is able to provide some sort of documents).

You people pretend to be naive about these things. Clever ruse.



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  -"How Bullshit Magically Turns Into Fact" Pirate Smile  Nov-25-11 07:48 PM   #0 
  - It's appalling, and it's being unrec'd. It's sad, but it doesn't fit the narrative being created by  Tarheel_Dem   Nov-25-11 07:54 PM   #1 
  - Of course it's being unrec'd. The same folks unrecing this rec'd that insanely stupid Examiner bit  Number23   Nov-25-11 08:18 PM   #4 
     - "The Quibbler".  Tarheel_Dem   Nov-25-11 08:31 PM   #6 
     - Of course it's being unrecc'd; it's a pile of disinformation  Remember Me   Nov-26-11 07:29 PM   #70 
        - That post you linked was indeed misinformation  BklnDem75   Nov-26-11 08:40 PM   #104 
        - The point appears to have flown over your head  Number23   Nov-26-11 09:39 PM   #108 
           - You know, what I've read -- and what I know -- doesn't lead me in that direction  Remember Me   Nov-27-11 02:36 PM   #118 
              - So nothing has to be actually proven  Number23   Nov-27-11 05:10 PM   #126 
                 - I don't expect infromation in most news articles to be "proven," no --  Remember Me   Nov-27-11 09:00 PM   #127 
                    - As I previously said  Number23   Nov-27-11 10:11 PM   #128 
                       - Ah, CORROBORATE. Corroboration isn't PROOF.  Remember Me   Nov-27-11 10:56 PM   #129 
                          - You should have stopped a looooong time ago  Number23   Nov-27-11 11:05 PM   #130 
                             - LOL. There's a reason why I held fire in this thread  BklnDem75   Nov-28-11 06:15 AM   #132 
                             - Well, that doesn't describe me. But you knew that. I don't pin this on Obama  Remember Me   Nov-28-11 10:10 AM   #135 
                                - Of course not...  BklnDem75   Nov-28-11 10:37 AM   #137 
                             - Once again: CORROBORATION ISN'T PROOF.  Remember Me   Nov-28-11 10:14 AM   #136 
                                - Uncorroborated > Corroborated  BklnDem75   Nov-28-11 11:59 AM   #141 
                                   - It would be funny if it wasn't kind of sad, huh?  Number23   Nov-28-11 03:27 PM   #144 
                                      - Not a word from Keith or Rachel today on this. It's been debunked.  AtomicKitten   Nov-28-11 10:07 PM   #146 
  - Kicked and recommended. This is a large and growing problem.  TheWraith   Nov-25-11 07:59 PM   #2 
  - See the info on the link below also ...  Tx4obama   Nov-25-11 08:02 PM   #3 
  - The protests are already losing their purpose  treestar   Nov-25-11 08:26 PM   #5 
  - Excellent observation.  great white snark   Nov-26-11 04:28 PM   #36 
  - What are justified arrests in these protests?  Remember Me   Nov-26-11 07:30 PM   #71 
  - If people break the law?  treestar   Nov-28-11 10:45 AM   #138 
  - Wow. Talk about a meme trying to discredit a worthy cause.  cui bono   Nov-26-11 07:42 PM   #83 
  - Why do you assume that the wrongheaded tactics  treestar   Nov-28-11 10:48 AM   #139 
  - +1000  Tarheel_Dem   Nov-27-11 02:11 PM   #116 
  - as if anyone on the left can message anything over the screaming of 1000 coordinated radio stations  certainot   Nov-25-11 08:39 PM   #7 
  - it's another 24 business hours story...  Whisp   Nov-25-11 08:42 PM   #8 
  - The will to believe is as strong on the hard left as it is on the hard right n/t  Azathoth   Nov-25-11 09:01 PM   #9 
  - I consider this the age of uncritical thinking.  joshcryer   Nov-25-11 09:14 PM   #10 
  - and usually have more meat and validity to them  Remember Me   Nov-26-11 07:31 PM   #72 
  - As are fairy tales of presidents doing wonders and playing chess games.  cui bono   Nov-26-11 07:45 PM   #84 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Nov-25-11 09:25 PM   #11 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Nov-25-11 09:43 PM   #12 
     - The majority of Obama supporters are the 99% and support OWS  Tx4obama   Nov-25-11 11:16 PM   #17 
        - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Nov-26-11 07:31 PM   #73 
        - That is not possible given that Obama put Wall Street in the White House.  cui bono   Nov-28-11 04:34 AM   #131 
  - "Distance lends enchantment to the view." - Mark Twain  ellisonz   Nov-25-11 10:16 PM   #13 
  - Thanks.  Scurrilous   Nov-25-11 10:17 PM   #14 
  - Good for her, we need our own propaganda arm too. nt  bemildred   Nov-25-11 10:23 PM   #15 
  - Was that intended as sarcasm?  Martin Eden   Nov-26-11 09:57 AM   #22 
     - There are no lies here.  Remember Me   Nov-26-11 07:33 PM   #74 
     - False Propaganda  Martin Eden   Nov-27-11 02:03 PM   #115 
     - I am not being mislead, are you?  bemildred   Nov-28-11 08:58 AM   #134 
  - I hate it when the leftwing mimics the rightwing, both embracing crap journalism  AtomicKitten   Nov-25-11 10:35 PM   #16 
  - Uh the originating statement that Naomi was using to base her article on  truedelphi   Nov-26-11 06:36 PM   #46 
     - No the original accusation came from an un-source piece in the Examiner.  AtomicKitten   Nov-26-11 06:46 PM   #50 
        - Not exactly unsourced  Remember Me   Nov-26-11 07:23 PM   #63 
           - "Citing the Examiner is the journalistic equivalent of saying, 'My friend Bob told me.' "  AtomicKitten   Nov-26-11 07:33 PM   #75 
              - Oh, well, THAT certainly settles it: DHS rejects the accusation.  Remember Me   Nov-26-11 07:36 PM   #77 
                 - Well that's a cherry-picked retort. Too bad really; Salon is reliable, the Examiner not so much.  AtomicKitten   Nov-26-11 07:40 PM   #81 
                    - The poster mentioned you believing DHS denial.  cui bono   Nov-26-11 07:54 PM   #89 
                       - I believe what responsible journalists are concluding, that Naomi screwed the pooch on this.  AtomicKitten   Nov-26-11 08:05 PM   #92 
                       - Excellent point. Thanks for making it.  Remember Me   Nov-27-11 02:51 PM   #121 
                       - So the stance is believe anything over DHS  BklnDem75   Nov-28-11 12:10 PM   #142 
  - Gimme a break. Naomi Wolf and Judith Miller in the same breath?  mojowork_n   Nov-25-11 11:46 PM   #18 
  - A republican lobbying firm shopping a plan to do background checks on activists  Orangepeel   Nov-26-11 12:31 AM   #19 
     - She was arrested, maybe she saw them. n/t  zalinda   Nov-26-11 01:19 AM   #20 
  - I believe that reporting should be based on facts, not conjecture....  Scuba   Nov-26-11 05:39 AM   #21 
  - Except that almost none of those cities actually "cracked down."  TheWraith   Nov-26-11 02:19 PM   #31 
     - Oh, please. Those absolutely were crackdowns -- riot gear and all  Remember Me   Nov-26-11 07:35 PM   #76 
     - There were more than those cities. I can't name them now but I read about them at the time.  cui bono   Nov-26-11 07:38 PM   #78 
        - up to 40 cities, according to one report  Remember Me   Nov-27-11 02:48 PM   #120 
  - The actual article  kenfrequed   Nov-26-11 10:01 AM   #23 
  - All the citations go back to the bogus "The Examiner" blogger.  emulatorloo   Nov-26-11 10:42 AM   #26 
  - I have to agree.  Sparkly   Nov-26-11 10:01 AM   #24 
  - Thank you. This is happening more and more at DU  emulatorloo   Nov-26-11 10:37 AM   #25 
  - originated here I think  doccraig67   Nov-26-11 10:42 AM   #27 
  - Ouan mentons conference call with 18 Mayors about handling OWS  doccraig67   Nov-26-11 10:51 AM   #28 
     - Exactly. No proof or mention of Homeland Security.  AtomicKitten   Nov-26-11 06:35 PM   #44 
     - Regarding the mayors' more than once a month conference call  Tx4obama   Nov-26-11 11:46 PM   #114 
  - Unless she can correct this...  Life Long Dem   Nov-26-11 11:01 AM   #29 
  - Save the Pacific Northwest tree octopus (Octopus paxarbolis)  progressoid   Nov-26-11 11:19 AM   #30 
  - I agree responsible journalists should be clear re-  snot   Nov-26-11 03:10 PM   #32 
  - P.S.: It's not clear Wolf misrepresented anything as being more than speculation:  snot   Nov-26-11 04:20 PM   #35 
  - DHS was not involved in any conference calls.  AtomicKitten   Nov-26-11 05:23 PM   #37 
  - Two big lies circulated here - the Fed's $16 trillion in "giveaways" to the banks and  banned from Kos   Nov-26-11 03:52 PM   #33 
  - K&R...  SidDithers   Nov-26-11 04:01 PM   #34 
  - I appreciate your efforts to shield HOMELAND SECURITY, but this is right down their  rhett o rick   Nov-26-11 05:45 PM   #38 
  - "I am going to believe they were involved until proven otherwise."  AtomicKitten   Nov-26-11 06:15 PM   #41 
     - I like this one...  SidDithers   Nov-26-11 06:36 PM   #45 
     - omg!!proof!!! elevens!!!run!!!  AtomicKitten   Nov-26-11 06:39 PM   #47 
        - ...  SidDithers   Nov-26-11 06:44 PM   #48 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Nov-26-11 10:54 PM   #109 
  - this is oversensitivity on the part of the Obama-centric folks  Enrique   Nov-26-11 05:46 PM   #39 
  - Nonsense. Naomi had NO SUBSTANTIATION for her accusation. Zip, nada, goose-egg.  AtomicKitten   Nov-26-11 06:12 PM   #40 
  - too late to edit the post, but I changed my mind about Wolf's article  Enrique   Nov-26-11 06:51 PM   #52 
  - That's good of you to acknowledge that.  Pirate Smile   Nov-26-11 11:02 PM   #111 
  - Exactly. And this thread shows why the "ignore" function on this site is a bad thing.  cui bono   Nov-26-11 07:57 PM   #90 
  - Wolf's article was WND-level junk opinionating.  geek tragedy   Nov-26-11 11:19 PM   #113 
  - Excuse me, didn't the source of Naomi's peiece come fromt he fact that numerous Bay Area newspapers  truedelphi   Nov-26-11 06:25 PM   #42 
  - There is NO PROOF that DHS was involved in these phone conferences. None whatsoever.  AtomicKitten   Nov-26-11 06:29 PM   #43 
     - What do you mean when you say:  truedelphi   Nov-26-11 06:51 PM   #53 
     - It means that phone conferences between cities isn't unusual.  AtomicKitten   Nov-26-11 07:00 PM   #55 
     - Proof? You're demanding PROOF? Plenty of people get convicted and  Remember Me   Nov-26-11 07:16 PM   #60 
        - DHS was not involved in the crackdowns and there is no evidence to support they were.  AtomicKitten   Nov-26-11 07:22 PM   #62 
        - I actually care a lot about truth and accuracy in reporting -- and WE GOT IT  Remember Me   Nov-26-11 07:53 PM   #88 
        - Just evidence that DHS is involved with PERF and PERF with the crackdown cities  Remember Me   Nov-27-11 02:56 PM   #122 
        - It is sad that people here somehow think that  truedelphi   Nov-26-11 07:23 PM   #64 
        - What's sad is that you apparently don't care about accurate reporting.  AtomicKitten   Nov-26-11 07:26 PM   #67 
        - You haven't proven inaccurate reporting --  Remember Me   Nov-26-11 07:39 PM   #79 
           - "Citing the Examiner is the journalistic equivalent of saying, 'My friend Bob told me.' "  AtomicKitten   Nov-26-11 07:46 PM   #85 
           - Thank you, remember me.  truedelphi   Nov-26-11 08:34 PM   #103 
              - Did she mention that DHS was coordinating the calls? No she didn't. That's the point.  AtomicKitten   Nov-26-11 08:51 PM   #106 
                 - Excuse me, but do you live in California?  truedelphi   Nov-26-11 09:13 PM   #107 
                    - Excellent points  Remember Me   Nov-27-11 02:47 PM   #119 
                       - When you think of all the lies that have been perpetuated over the last  truedelphi   Nov-27-11 02:56 PM   #123 
        - Creepy...  Raksha   Nov-26-11 08:28 PM   #98 
        - If it were possible to have a post moved to the 911 forum  treestar   Nov-26-11 08:20 PM   #94 
        - Wow.  Life Long Dem   Nov-27-11 03:49 PM   #125 
  - Mayor Quan was interviewed by the BBC and also  truedelphi   Nov-26-11 06:46 PM   #49 
  - DHS was not involved in the phone conferences and there is no mention or evidence that they were.  AtomicKitten   Nov-26-11 06:51 PM   #51 
  - You can believe what ever it is you want to.  truedelphi   Nov-26-11 06:54 PM   #54 
  - I believe that journalists are obligated to report responsibly.  AtomicKitten   Nov-26-11 07:01 PM   #56 
     - And your proof that this quote of Mayor Quan's was not reported during  truedelphi   Nov-26-11 07:12 PM   #58 
        - The crackdowns were coordinated but not with the DHS. Quan never said the DHS was involved.  AtomicKitten   Nov-26-11 07:17 PM   #61 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Nov-26-11 07:47 PM   #86 
     - Conspiracy theories are not factual. You do know the difference, right?  AtomicKitten   Nov-26-11 07:50 PM   #87 
        - Conspiracy theories are not factual? Are you kidding me?  cui bono   Nov-26-11 08:01 PM   #91 
  - Thank you nt  Remember Me   Nov-26-11 07:40 PM   #80 
     - Again, no proof DHS was involved in the conference calls and THAT'S A FACT!!  AtomicKitten   Nov-26-11 07:41 PM   #82 
        - And the rest of that FACT is that there are (to me) credible allegations  Remember Me   Nov-26-11 08:25 PM   #96 
           - Wanting it to be true and taken seriously alas does not make it so.  AtomicKitten   Nov-26-11 08:28 PM   #99 
  - Naomi Wolf rivals Melissa Harris-Perry for crackpot of the month.  Vattel   Nov-26-11 07:09 PM   #57 
  - Boy You have no idea how much that erodes YOUR credibility  Remember Me   Nov-26-11 07:25 PM   #66 
     - Do some homework before casting aspersions. Naomi screwed the pooch on this one.  AtomicKitten   Nov-26-11 07:27 PM   #68 
     - Something about Naomi Klein  Remember Me   Nov-26-11 08:22 PM   #95 
     - I've read her book and it has nothing to do with her crap-sourced latest piece.  AtomicKitten   Nov-26-11 08:25 PM   #97 
     - Well, then you didn't understand what you read that well --  Remember Me   Nov-26-11 08:29 PM   #100 
        - Well she effed up on this one whether you admit it or not.  AtomicKitten   Nov-26-11 08:30 PM   #101 
           - Here's what I'll admit -- and offer an apology as well.  Remember Me   Nov-27-11 02:23 PM   #117 
              - No worries. I share the dunce cap because I mixed up the Naomi's as well.  AtomicKitten   Nov-28-11 10:35 PM   #148 
     - This is Naomi WOLF not Naomi KLEIN. nt  geek tragedy   Nov-26-11 11:18 PM   #112 
     - I have to partially disavow my own post  Remember Me   Nov-27-11 03:07 PM   #124 
     - Naomi Klein is not Naomi Wolf. 2 different people...  dionysus   Nov-28-11 02:13 PM   #143 
     - Oh, FFS. Not Naomi KLEIN-- Naomi WOLF wrote the piece of trash article for the guardian.  NYC_SKP   Nov-28-11 03:42 PM   #145 
     - Your defense of Homeland Security is scary. Whose side are you on? nm  rhett o rick   Nov-26-11 10:57 PM   #110 
        - I'm on the side of truth in journalism and responsible reporting.  AtomicKitten   Nov-28-11 10:08 PM   #147 
     - I know, people who like evidence have no credibility.  Vattel   Nov-26-11 07:28 PM   #69 
  - Link to Joshua Holland's debunking at Alternet....  Luminous Animal   Nov-26-11 07:12 PM   #59 
  - Thanks for posting this.  AtomicKitten   Nov-26-11 07:24 PM   #65 
  - This is ABSOLUTELY PERFECT -- THANK YOU!!  Remember Me   Nov-26-11 08:06 PM   #93 
     - But which is more perfect:  AtomicKitten   Nov-26-11 08:32 PM   #102 
  - Sadly...  SnakeEyes   Nov-26-11 08:42 PM   #105 
  - Thank you for posting this!  Nancy Waterman   Nov-28-11 08:56 AM   #133 
  - You can waist a lot of really good time trying to train an idiot on the facts; but why?  Cigar11   Nov-28-11 11:51 AM   #140 
  - Thank you  MadrasT   Nov-29-11 03:35 PM   #149 
 

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