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101. Well she effed up on this one whether you admit it or not.
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  -"How Bullshit Magically Turns Into Fact" Pirate Smile  Nov-25-11 07:48 PM   #0 
  - It's appalling, and it's being unrec'd. It's sad, but it doesn't fit the narrative being created by  Tarheel_Dem   Nov-25-11 07:54 PM   #1 
  - Of course it's being unrec'd. The same folks unrecing this rec'd that insanely stupid Examiner bit  Number23   Nov-25-11 08:18 PM   #4 
     - "The Quibbler".  Tarheel_Dem   Nov-25-11 08:31 PM   #6 
     - Of course it's being unrecc'd; it's a pile of disinformation  Remember Me   Nov-26-11 07:29 PM   #70 
        - That post you linked was indeed misinformation  BklnDem75   Nov-26-11 08:40 PM   #104 
        - The point appears to have flown over your head  Number23   Nov-26-11 09:39 PM   #108 
           - You know, what I've read -- and what I know -- doesn't lead me in that direction  Remember Me   Nov-27-11 02:36 PM   #118 
              - So nothing has to be actually proven  Number23   Nov-27-11 05:10 PM   #126 
                 - I don't expect infromation in most news articles to be "proven," no --  Remember Me   Nov-27-11 09:00 PM   #127 
                    - As I previously said  Number23   Nov-27-11 10:11 PM   #128 
                       - Ah, CORROBORATE. Corroboration isn't PROOF.  Remember Me   Nov-27-11 10:56 PM   #129 
                          - You should have stopped a looooong time ago  Number23   Nov-27-11 11:05 PM   #130 
                             - LOL. There's a reason why I held fire in this thread  BklnDem75   Nov-28-11 06:15 AM   #132 
                             - Well, that doesn't describe me. But you knew that. I don't pin this on Obama  Remember Me   Nov-28-11 10:10 AM   #135 
                                - Of course not...  BklnDem75   Nov-28-11 10:37 AM   #137 
                             - Once again: CORROBORATION ISN'T PROOF.  Remember Me   Nov-28-11 10:14 AM   #136 
                                - Uncorroborated > Corroborated  BklnDem75   Nov-28-11 11:59 AM   #141 
                                   - It would be funny if it wasn't kind of sad, huh?  Number23   Nov-28-11 03:27 PM   #144 
                                      - Not a word from Keith or Rachel today on this. It's been debunked.  AtomicKitten   Nov-28-11 10:07 PM   #146 
  - Kicked and recommended. This is a large and growing problem.  TheWraith   Nov-25-11 07:59 PM   #2 
  - See the info on the link below also ...  Tx4obama   Nov-25-11 08:02 PM   #3 
  - The protests are already losing their purpose  treestar   Nov-25-11 08:26 PM   #5 
  - Excellent observation.  great white snark   Nov-26-11 04:28 PM   #36 
  - What are justified arrests in these protests?  Remember Me   Nov-26-11 07:30 PM   #71 
  - If people break the law?  treestar   Nov-28-11 10:45 AM   #138 
  - Wow. Talk about a meme trying to discredit a worthy cause.  cui bono   Nov-26-11 07:42 PM   #83 
  - Why do you assume that the wrongheaded tactics  treestar   Nov-28-11 10:48 AM   #139 
  - +1000  Tarheel_Dem   Nov-27-11 02:11 PM   #116 
  - as if anyone on the left can message anything over the screaming of 1000 coordinated radio stations  certainot   Nov-25-11 08:39 PM   #7 
  - it's another 24 business hours story...  Whisp   Nov-25-11 08:42 PM   #8 
  - The will to believe is as strong on the hard left as it is on the hard right n/t  Azathoth   Nov-25-11 09:01 PM   #9 
  - I consider this the age of uncritical thinking.  joshcryer   Nov-25-11 09:14 PM   #10 
  - and usually have more meat and validity to them  Remember Me   Nov-26-11 07:31 PM   #72 
  - As are fairy tales of presidents doing wonders and playing chess games.  cui bono   Nov-26-11 07:45 PM   #84 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Nov-25-11 09:25 PM   #11 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Nov-25-11 09:43 PM   #12 
     - The majority of Obama supporters are the 99% and support OWS  Tx4obama   Nov-25-11 11:16 PM   #17 
        - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Nov-26-11 07:31 PM   #73 
        - That is not possible given that Obama put Wall Street in the White House.  cui bono   Nov-28-11 04:34 AM   #131 
  - "Distance lends enchantment to the view." - Mark Twain  ellisonz   Nov-25-11 10:16 PM   #13 
  - Thanks.  Scurrilous   Nov-25-11 10:17 PM   #14 
  - Good for her, we need our own propaganda arm too. nt  bemildred   Nov-25-11 10:23 PM   #15 
  - Was that intended as sarcasm?  Martin Eden   Nov-26-11 09:57 AM   #22 
     - There are no lies here.  Remember Me   Nov-26-11 07:33 PM   #74 
     - False Propaganda  Martin Eden   Nov-27-11 02:03 PM   #115 
     - I am not being mislead, are you?  bemildred   Nov-28-11 08:58 AM   #134 
  - I hate it when the leftwing mimics the rightwing, both embracing crap journalism  AtomicKitten   Nov-25-11 10:35 PM   #16 
  - Uh the originating statement that Naomi was using to base her article on  truedelphi   Nov-26-11 06:36 PM   #46 
     - No the original accusation came from an un-source piece in the Examiner.  AtomicKitten   Nov-26-11 06:46 PM   #50 
        - Not exactly unsourced  Remember Me   Nov-26-11 07:23 PM   #63 
           - "Citing the Examiner is the journalistic equivalent of saying, 'My friend Bob told me.' "  AtomicKitten   Nov-26-11 07:33 PM   #75 
              - Oh, well, THAT certainly settles it: DHS rejects the accusation.  Remember Me   Nov-26-11 07:36 PM   #77 
                 - Well that's a cherry-picked retort. Too bad really; Salon is reliable, the Examiner not so much.  AtomicKitten   Nov-26-11 07:40 PM   #81 
                    - The poster mentioned you believing DHS denial.  cui bono   Nov-26-11 07:54 PM   #89 
                       - I believe what responsible journalists are concluding, that Naomi screwed the pooch on this.  AtomicKitten   Nov-26-11 08:05 PM   #92 
                       - Excellent point. Thanks for making it.  Remember Me   Nov-27-11 02:51 PM   #121 
                       - So the stance is believe anything over DHS  BklnDem75   Nov-28-11 12:10 PM   #142 
  - Gimme a break. Naomi Wolf and Judith Miller in the same breath?  mojowork_n   Nov-25-11 11:46 PM   #18 
  - A republican lobbying firm shopping a plan to do background checks on activists  Orangepeel   Nov-26-11 12:31 AM   #19 
     - She was arrested, maybe she saw them. n/t  zalinda   Nov-26-11 01:19 AM   #20 
  - I believe that reporting should be based on facts, not conjecture....  Scuba   Nov-26-11 05:39 AM   #21 
  - Except that almost none of those cities actually "cracked down."  TheWraith   Nov-26-11 02:19 PM   #31 
     - Oh, please. Those absolutely were crackdowns -- riot gear and all  Remember Me   Nov-26-11 07:35 PM   #76 
     - There were more than those cities. I can't name them now but I read about them at the time.  cui bono   Nov-26-11 07:38 PM   #78 
        - up to 40 cities, according to one report  Remember Me   Nov-27-11 02:48 PM   #120 
  - The actual article  kenfrequed   Nov-26-11 10:01 AM   #23 
  - All the citations go back to the bogus "The Examiner" blogger.  emulatorloo   Nov-26-11 10:42 AM   #26 
  - I have to agree.  Sparkly   Nov-26-11 10:01 AM   #24 
  - Thank you. This is happening more and more at DU  emulatorloo   Nov-26-11 10:37 AM   #25 
  - originated here I think  doccraig67   Nov-26-11 10:42 AM   #27 
  - Ouan mentons conference call with 18 Mayors about handling OWS  doccraig67   Nov-26-11 10:51 AM   #28 
     - Exactly. No proof or mention of Homeland Security.  AtomicKitten   Nov-26-11 06:35 PM   #44 
     - Regarding the mayors' more than once a month conference call  Tx4obama   Nov-26-11 11:46 PM   #114 
  - Unless she can correct this...  Life Long Dem   Nov-26-11 11:01 AM   #29 
  - Save the Pacific Northwest tree octopus (Octopus paxarbolis)  progressoid   Nov-26-11 11:19 AM   #30 
  - I agree responsible journalists should be clear re-  snot   Nov-26-11 03:10 PM   #32 
  - P.S.: It's not clear Wolf misrepresented anything as being more than speculation:  snot   Nov-26-11 04:20 PM   #35 
  - DHS was not involved in any conference calls.  AtomicKitten   Nov-26-11 05:23 PM   #37 
  - Two big lies circulated here - the Fed's $16 trillion in "giveaways" to the banks and  banned from Kos   Nov-26-11 03:52 PM   #33 
  - K&R...  SidDithers   Nov-26-11 04:01 PM   #34 
  - I appreciate your efforts to shield HOMELAND SECURITY, but this is right down their  rhett o rick   Nov-26-11 05:45 PM   #38 
  - "I am going to believe they were involved until proven otherwise."  AtomicKitten   Nov-26-11 06:15 PM   #41 
     - I like this one...  SidDithers   Nov-26-11 06:36 PM   #45 
     - omg!!proof!!! elevens!!!run!!!  AtomicKitten   Nov-26-11 06:39 PM   #47 
        - ...  SidDithers   Nov-26-11 06:44 PM   #48 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Nov-26-11 10:54 PM   #109 
  - this is oversensitivity on the part of the Obama-centric folks  Enrique   Nov-26-11 05:46 PM   #39 
  - Nonsense. Naomi had NO SUBSTANTIATION for her accusation. Zip, nada, goose-egg.  AtomicKitten   Nov-26-11 06:12 PM   #40 
  - too late to edit the post, but I changed my mind about Wolf's article  Enrique   Nov-26-11 06:51 PM   #52 
  - That's good of you to acknowledge that.  Pirate Smile   Nov-26-11 11:02 PM   #111 
  - Exactly. And this thread shows why the "ignore" function on this site is a bad thing.  cui bono   Nov-26-11 07:57 PM   #90 
  - Wolf's article was WND-level junk opinionating.  geek tragedy   Nov-26-11 11:19 PM   #113 
  - Excuse me, didn't the source of Naomi's peiece come fromt he fact that numerous Bay Area newspapers  truedelphi   Nov-26-11 06:25 PM   #42 
  - There is NO PROOF that DHS was involved in these phone conferences. None whatsoever.  AtomicKitten   Nov-26-11 06:29 PM   #43 
     - What do you mean when you say:  truedelphi   Nov-26-11 06:51 PM   #53 
     - It means that phone conferences between cities isn't unusual.  AtomicKitten   Nov-26-11 07:00 PM   #55 
     - Proof? You're demanding PROOF? Plenty of people get convicted and  Remember Me   Nov-26-11 07:16 PM   #60 
        - DHS was not involved in the crackdowns and there is no evidence to support they were.  AtomicKitten   Nov-26-11 07:22 PM   #62 
        - I actually care a lot about truth and accuracy in reporting -- and WE GOT IT  Remember Me   Nov-26-11 07:53 PM   #88 
        - Just evidence that DHS is involved with PERF and PERF with the crackdown cities  Remember Me   Nov-27-11 02:56 PM   #122 
        - It is sad that people here somehow think that  truedelphi   Nov-26-11 07:23 PM   #64 
        - What's sad is that you apparently don't care about accurate reporting.  AtomicKitten   Nov-26-11 07:26 PM   #67 
        - You haven't proven inaccurate reporting --  Remember Me   Nov-26-11 07:39 PM   #79 
           - "Citing the Examiner is the journalistic equivalent of saying, 'My friend Bob told me.' "  AtomicKitten   Nov-26-11 07:46 PM   #85 
           - Thank you, remember me.  truedelphi   Nov-26-11 08:34 PM   #103 
              - Did she mention that DHS was coordinating the calls? No she didn't. That's the point.  AtomicKitten   Nov-26-11 08:51 PM   #106 
                 - Excuse me, but do you live in California?  truedelphi   Nov-26-11 09:13 PM   #107 
                    - Excellent points  Remember Me   Nov-27-11 02:47 PM   #119 
                       - When you think of all the lies that have been perpetuated over the last  truedelphi   Nov-27-11 02:56 PM   #123 
        - Creepy...  Raksha   Nov-26-11 08:28 PM   #98 
        - If it were possible to have a post moved to the 911 forum  treestar   Nov-26-11 08:20 PM   #94 
        - Wow.  Life Long Dem   Nov-27-11 03:49 PM   #125 
  - Mayor Quan was interviewed by the BBC and also  truedelphi   Nov-26-11 06:46 PM   #49 
  - DHS was not involved in the phone conferences and there is no mention or evidence that they were.  AtomicKitten   Nov-26-11 06:51 PM   #51 
  - You can believe what ever it is you want to.  truedelphi   Nov-26-11 06:54 PM   #54 
  - I believe that journalists are obligated to report responsibly.  AtomicKitten   Nov-26-11 07:01 PM   #56 
     - And your proof that this quote of Mayor Quan's was not reported during  truedelphi   Nov-26-11 07:12 PM   #58 
        - The crackdowns were coordinated but not with the DHS. Quan never said the DHS was involved.  AtomicKitten   Nov-26-11 07:17 PM   #61 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Nov-26-11 07:47 PM   #86 
     - Conspiracy theories are not factual. You do know the difference, right?  AtomicKitten   Nov-26-11 07:50 PM   #87 
        - Conspiracy theories are not factual? Are you kidding me?  cui bono   Nov-26-11 08:01 PM   #91 
  - Thank you nt  Remember Me   Nov-26-11 07:40 PM   #80 
     - Again, no proof DHS was involved in the conference calls and THAT'S A FACT!!  AtomicKitten   Nov-26-11 07:41 PM   #82 
        - And the rest of that FACT is that there are (to me) credible allegations  Remember Me   Nov-26-11 08:25 PM   #96 
           - Wanting it to be true and taken seriously alas does not make it so.  AtomicKitten   Nov-26-11 08:28 PM   #99 
  - Naomi Wolf rivals Melissa Harris-Perry for crackpot of the month.  Vattel   Nov-26-11 07:09 PM   #57 
  - Boy You have no idea how much that erodes YOUR credibility  Remember Me   Nov-26-11 07:25 PM   #66 
     - Do some homework before casting aspersions. Naomi screwed the pooch on this one.  AtomicKitten   Nov-26-11 07:27 PM   #68 
     - Something about Naomi Klein  Remember Me   Nov-26-11 08:22 PM   #95 
     - I've read her book and it has nothing to do with her crap-sourced latest piece.  AtomicKitten   Nov-26-11 08:25 PM   #97 
     - Well, then you didn't understand what you read that well --  Remember Me   Nov-26-11 08:29 PM   #100 
        - Well she effed up on this one whether you admit it or not.  AtomicKitten   Nov-26-11 08:30 PM   #101 
           - Here's what I'll admit -- and offer an apology as well.  Remember Me   Nov-27-11 02:23 PM   #117 
              - No worries. I share the dunce cap because I mixed up the Naomi's as well.  AtomicKitten   Nov-28-11 10:35 PM   #148 
     - This is Naomi WOLF not Naomi KLEIN. nt  geek tragedy   Nov-26-11 11:18 PM   #112 
     - I have to partially disavow my own post  Remember Me   Nov-27-11 03:07 PM   #124 
     - Naomi Klein is not Naomi Wolf. 2 different people...  dionysus   Nov-28-11 02:13 PM   #143 
     - Oh, FFS. Not Naomi KLEIN-- Naomi WOLF wrote the piece of trash article for the guardian.  NYC_SKP   Nov-28-11 03:42 PM   #145 
     - Your defense of Homeland Security is scary. Whose side are you on? nm  rhett o rick   Nov-26-11 10:57 PM   #110 
        - I'm on the side of truth in journalism and responsible reporting.  AtomicKitten   Nov-28-11 10:08 PM   #147 
     - I know, people who like evidence have no credibility.  Vattel   Nov-26-11 07:28 PM   #69 
  - Link to Joshua Holland's debunking at Alternet....  Luminous Animal   Nov-26-11 07:12 PM   #59 
  - Thanks for posting this.  AtomicKitten   Nov-26-11 07:24 PM   #65 
  - This is ABSOLUTELY PERFECT -- THANK YOU!!  Remember Me   Nov-26-11 08:06 PM   #93 
     - But which is more perfect:  AtomicKitten   Nov-26-11 08:32 PM   #102 
  - Sadly...  SnakeEyes   Nov-26-11 08:42 PM   #105 
  - Thank you for posting this!  Nancy Waterman   Nov-28-11 08:56 AM   #133 
  - You can waist a lot of really good time trying to train an idiot on the facts; but why?  Cigar11   Nov-28-11 11:51 AM   #140 
  - Thank you  MadrasT   Nov-29-11 03:35 PM   #149 

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