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Response to Reply #124 |
| -WP: Obama never secretly killed the public option. It’s a myth |
dennis4868 |
Nov-17-11 11:10 PM |
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Nov-17-11 11:28 PM |
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When people want to believe something, facts aren't a requirement. Recommend. nt |
gateley |
Nov-17-11 11:32 PM |
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... |
young but wise |
Nov-17-11 11:51 PM |
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Faith trumps logic. |
boppers |
Nov-18-11 02:29 AM |
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K&R. |
young but wise |
Nov-17-11 11:52 PM |
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Make the Senate sell the PO as an alternative.... |
Historic NY |
Nov-17-11 11:56 PM |
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I agree with your assessment. Looking back, I wonder how it was that |
CTyankee |
Nov-18-11 03:28 PM |
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I knew this was never the case |
BlueCaliDem |
Nov-17-11 11:58 PM |
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This is what is forgotten by Dems...I find. n/t |
vaberella |
Nov-18-11 01:45 AM |
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I find that same conclusion, vaberella. eom |
BlueCaliDem |
Nov-18-11 07:54 PM |
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+a jillion |
BlancheSplanchnik |
Nov-18-11 11:50 AM |
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Thanks, BlancheSplanchnik. And you're so right. |
BlueCaliDem |
Nov-18-11 07:56 PM |
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219 and 60 |
Kennah |
Nov-18-11 12:01 AM |
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+535 |
ellisonz |
Nov-18-11 12:55 AM |
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+1000000000000000000000000000 |
dennis4868 |
Nov-18-11 01:08 AM |
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We never ever had the 60. |
MjolnirTime |
Nov-18-11 10:10 AM |
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Kennah's referring to the final bill that did pass |
BklnDem75 |
Nov-18-11 10:39 AM |
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And it took how many MONTHS of pounding, massaging, deal-making, pressure, etcetera... |
TheWraith |
Nov-18-11 03:44 PM |
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The public option was killed by Evan Bayn and Ben Nelson. |
blueclown |
Nov-18-11 12:04 AM |
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He could have let the single-payer reps into the room. That's how you get a public option. |
robinlynne |
Nov-18-11 12:06 AM |
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Agreed that there should have been single-payer representatives at the hearings. |
blueclown |
Nov-18-11 12:08 AM |
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I'm sorry to say your statement is laughable. If the PO had no chance; how would single payer? |
vaberella |
Nov-18-11 01:34 AM |
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Laughable? Then you didn't understand the point, or maybe negotiating. |
cui bono |
Nov-18-11 03:17 AM |
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Caved almost immediately? |
BklnDem75 |
Nov-18-11 10:46 AM |
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You're under the mistaken belief that negotiation automatically means meeting in the middle. |
TheWraith |
Nov-18-11 07:27 PM |
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+1 |
treestar |
Nov-19-11 05:00 PM |
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Good point! nt |
One of the 99 |
Nov-20-11 05:25 PM |
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Not laughable but unrealistic. |
One of the 99 |
Nov-20-11 05:23 PM |
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He fought. I never saw someone going to bat for the Public Option so much. |
vaberella |
Nov-18-11 01:30 AM |
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When did he fight? Can you provide some evidence of that? |
cui bono |
Nov-18-11 10:13 AM |
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I don't recall your version of events at all |
BklnDem75 |
Nov-18-11 10:21 AM |
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Don't forget Joe Lieberman. He publicly opposed the public option, as well. |
flpoljunkie |
Nov-18-11 06:47 AM |
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+1 |
young but wise |
Nov-18-11 09:19 PM |
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Progressives had been fighting for an individual mandate for years? nt |
Mojorabbit |
Nov-18-11 08:19 PM |
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Same thing as the lie that Pres. Obama called Americans "Lazy"..... |
FrenchieCat |
Nov-18-11 12:15 AM |
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No, it was single-payer that he avoided like the plague - wouldn't even talk about it |
slay |
Nov-18-11 12:19 AM |
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Actually. The health care debate was being derailed before it started. |
vaberella |
Nov-18-11 01:39 AM |
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Only because congress is completely corrupt - they don't give a shit about us |
slay |
Nov-18-11 02:37 AM |
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Bingo |
Enthusiast |
Nov-18-11 04:52 AM |
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Bwhaahaha... "Bingo" is when someone actually makes a valid point. |
The Doctor. |
Nov-18-11 03:11 PM |
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Oh BS |
treestar |
Nov-19-11 05:02 PM |
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Single Payer was never an option because out would immediately wipe out the Insurance industry |
MjolnirTime |
Nov-18-11 10:12 AM |
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No, it can happen all at once without causing any lasting harm. |
The Doctor. |
Nov-18-11 03:14 PM |
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The Insurance Industry is 18% of the economy. It would most certainly be harmful to cut its throat. |
MjolnirTime |
Nov-19-11 02:46 PM |
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Those assertions require a lot more proof |
treestar |
Nov-19-11 05:03 PM |
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I think it much more likely we will end up with a dual tier system like France where... |
stevenleser |
Nov-21-11 09:40 AM |
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Everyone already knows all of this |
Number23 |
Nov-18-11 12:55 AM |
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this rewriting history makes me very cynical |
Enrique |
Nov-18-11 08:13 AM |
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Amen, my brother. Even when he massively fails, "it's not his fault."nt |
mistertrickster |
Nov-18-11 10:50 AM |
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This is not hard, people! |
Number23 |
Nov-18-11 02:05 PM |
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If you want to seem to be the cool outside revolutionary that gets it. Then it is hard to accept |
stevenleser |
Nov-21-11 09:42 AM |
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Then don't rewrite history to suit what you would like to believe. nt |
stevenleser |
Nov-21-11 09:41 AM |
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+1 |
shellgame26 |
Nov-18-11 10:25 AM |
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If it had no chance of passing, why did the President demand that it MUST pass? |
mistertrickster |
Nov-18-11 10:48 AM |
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What is it that you are not understanding? |
Number23 |
Nov-18-11 02:14 PM |
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"Any bill I sign must include an insurance exchange..." |
boppers |
Nov-18-11 04:48 AM |
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Clarifying that the full quote included a public option. |
eomer |
Nov-18-11 05:43 AM |
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He's not tracking records enough! |
boppers |
Nov-18-11 05:58 AM |
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The point of the OP is Obama's position (at that time) on the public option. |
eomer |
Nov-18-11 06:10 AM |
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The point is selectively claiming that a later clause has the same weight as a primary requirement. |
boppers |
Nov-19-11 12:18 AM |
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boppers got it right |
BklnDem75 |
Nov-18-11 10:35 AM |
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What about the other five times he's on record demanding a public option? |
mistertrickster |
Nov-18-11 10:55 AM |
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Never said he didn't want a public option |
BklnDem75 |
Nov-18-11 11:13 AM |
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Who claimed it was the "focus"? Just because "public option" |
mistertrickster |
Nov-18-11 11:40 AM |
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Why wouldn't he? |
BklnDem75 |
Nov-18-11 12:11 PM |
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"Shibboleth" is the Hebrew word for 'public option'. n/t |
Davis_X_Machina |
Nov-18-11 05:15 AM |
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Those "facts" are not totally factual. And, besides, they miss the main point. |
eomer |
Nov-18-11 05:19 AM |
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Joe Lieberman was never going to vote for it, period. |
JoePhilly |
Nov-18-11 06:48 AM |
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Obama did not need Lieberman's vote. He needed 49 Democratic Senators plus Independent Sen. Sanders |
eomer |
Nov-18-11 07:19 AM |
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It takes 60 votes to end a filibuster before the Senate can vote on a bill |
emulatorloo |
Nov-18-11 08:32 AM |
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A budget reconciliation bill cannot be filibustered and thus requires only 50 Senators, plus the VP. |
eomer |
Nov-18-11 09:28 AM |
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Ah ... I've heard this arguement before. So let's review ... |
JoePhilly |
Nov-18-11 02:52 PM |
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Well, yes, they could have "slipped" it into 4872 and it would have needed just a simple majority. |
eomer |
Nov-18-11 03:45 PM |
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You seem to not understand my use of the phrase "slipped in" ... |
JoePhilly |
Nov-18-11 05:14 PM |
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Lieberman was never going to allow that to happen in a bill under regular process. |
eomer |
Nov-19-11 03:29 AM |
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and Obama campaigned for Joe Lieberman |
Enrique |
Nov-18-11 08:24 AM |
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And Liebermann betrayed him by campaigning for McCain and killing the Public Option |
emulatorloo |
Nov-18-11 08:36 AM |
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Lieberman did not kill the public option, Democrats did. |
eomer |
Nov-18-11 09:37 AM |
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Because reconciliation votes don't require 60 |
BklnDem75 |
Nov-18-11 11:07 AM |
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You've got it mixed up. Reconciliation bills require only 50 votes. They don't need 60 Democrats. |
eomer |
Nov-18-11 12:17 PM |
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Sanders tried, they didn't have 50 |
BklnDem75 |
Nov-18-11 01:17 PM |
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I don't assume that. Quite the opposite, I said I blame those Democrats for not supporting the PO. |
eomer |
Nov-18-11 01:53 PM |
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Considering repukes didn't have 41 votes until Walker, |
BklnDem75 |
Nov-18-11 02:57 PM |
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Enough people did support it. Enough corporations didn't. |
eomer |
Nov-18-11 04:06 PM |
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You saying enough did doesn't make it so |
BklnDem75 |
Nov-18-11 06:11 PM |
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timelines aside, it still speaks to obama's poor judgement |
frylock |
Nov-18-11 12:12 PM |
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Poor judgement would be propping your colleague's opponent |
BklnDem75 |
Nov-18-11 12:23 PM |
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another bit of reality that people ignore: |
ChairmanAgnostic |
Nov-18-11 08:34 AM |
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Do you have a link for his admission? Not challenging your assertion, I'd just like to read it. |
eomer |
Nov-18-11 09:42 AM |
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I believe it was last February, and I do have it stored |
ChairmanAgnostic |
Nov-18-11 10:27 AM |
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A public option "paying Medicare rates" couldn't even get 200 votes in the House. |
BzaDem |
Nov-20-11 10:15 AM |
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He certainly didn't give it mouth-to-ear resuscitation. n/t |
Scuba |
Nov-18-11 06:52 AM |
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+1 n/t |
ejbr |
Nov-18-11 05:35 PM |
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Huge surprise there |
BklnDem75 |
Nov-18-11 07:07 AM |
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K&R. Facts are good...nt |
SidDithers |
Nov-18-11 07:10 AM |
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yeah, so read post 29 |
zipplewrath |
Nov-18-11 08:07 AM |
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No proof that it happened does not mean it did not happen. |
Laelth |
Nov-18-11 07:39 AM |
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Sounds like a very religious explanation - see post 22 |
emulatorloo |
Nov-18-11 08:37 AM |
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Nov-18-11 12:50 PM |
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the White House admitted the deal |
Enrique |
Nov-18-11 07:56 AM |
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And it is buried in the definitions |
zipplewrath |
Nov-18-11 08:14 AM |
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Got a link? |
BklnDem75 |
Nov-18-11 08:34 AM |
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It's all here and more... pbs.org |
court jester |
Nov-18-11 09:02 AM |
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That looks like a drug cost deal |
BklnDem75 |
Nov-18-11 09:58 AM |
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Link? |
emulatorloo |
Nov-18-11 08:39 AM |
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Nov-18-11 10:13 AM |
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. |
unapatriciated |
Nov-18-11 08:22 AM |
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Washington Post? |
pmorlan1 |
Nov-18-11 08:28 AM |
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LOL. There is that. |
ChairmanAgnostic |
Nov-18-11 08:34 AM |
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Please cite instances of where Greg Sargent's Plumline blog has published false information |
emulatorloo |
Nov-18-11 08:41 AM |
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It's used to smear this President all the time |
BklnDem75 |
Nov-18-11 10:02 AM |
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Nov-18-11 01:08 PM |
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I'm fascinated by this ever more popular tactic. "Source-bias" is quite the tool of tools. |
The Doctor. |
Nov-18-11 03:19 PM |
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K & R |
Tarheel_Dem |
Nov-18-11 09:51 AM |
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Only those who wanted an excuse to jump ship bought into this. |
MjolnirTime |
Nov-18-11 10:09 AM |
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Facts are stubborn things . . . especially when they're in print and on videotape: |
mistertrickster |
Nov-18-11 10:40 AM |
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You posted that before... |
BklnDem75 |
Nov-18-11 03:28 PM |
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Nov-19-11 10:29 AM |
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Good luck |
BklnDem75 |
Nov-19-11 04:56 PM |
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Nov-18-11 12:09 PM |
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religion?! take the plank out of your own eye, buddy |
frylock |
Nov-18-11 12:24 PM |
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I neither know nor care whether Obama directly killed the public option himself. |
mistertrickster |
Nov-18-11 12:49 PM |
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Only the dark side deals in absolutes... |
BklnDem75 |
Nov-18-11 03:37 PM |
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When you can't win on the merits of the argument, go for the motives of the poster. |
mistertrickster |
Nov-19-11 10:17 AM |
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Lighten up Francis... |
BklnDem75 |
Nov-19-11 12:06 PM |
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BTW, Brooklyn Dem, have you gotten out from behind your keyboard |
mistertrickster |
Nov-19-11 10:44 AM |
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I don't work near Zuccotti Park... yet |
BklnDem75 |
Nov-19-11 12:09 PM |
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Nov-19-11 05:18 PM |
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That's the problem with secret deals: They're made in secret. |
Cowpunk |
Nov-18-11 12:13 PM |
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Entertainment attorney... um... yeah... |
BklnDem75 |
Nov-18-11 03:39 PM |
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a veritable wind tunnel of spin! |
Donnachaidh |
Nov-18-11 12:19 PM |
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K&R |
flamingdem |
Nov-18-11 12:58 PM |
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Thanks but it won't make any difference. |
great white snark |
Nov-18-11 01:35 PM |
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I've never even heard that |
Skittles |
Nov-18-11 01:48 PM |
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That's a myth too |
BklnDem75 |
Nov-18-11 03:40 PM |
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BULLSHIT |
Skittles |
Nov-18-11 06:11 PM |
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Sad but true... |
BklnDem75 |
Nov-18-11 06:23 PM |
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Nov-18-11 07:12 PM |
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Um... no. I won't do your job |
BklnDem75 |
Nov-18-11 07:16 PM |
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No surprise at all. |
The Doctor. |
Nov-18-11 03:05 PM |
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I saw Obama being |
femrap |
Nov-18-11 05:27 PM |
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LOL sure... |
BklnDem75 |
Nov-18-11 06:20 PM |
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Nov-18-11 07:12 PM |
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Nov-18-11 07:24 PM |
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Nov-18-11 10:26 PM |
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Does that mean you have nothing to back your claim? |
BklnDem75 |
Nov-19-11 12:16 AM |
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Not only did he make a backroom deal, he lied to the American people and claimed |
woo me with science |
Nov-18-11 06:45 PM |
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I'm gonna side with the OP on this one |
BklnDem75 |
Nov-18-11 06:52 PM |
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Nov-18-11 06:53 PM |
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Ah, a response! |
woo me with science |
Nov-18-11 07:37 PM |
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"There were certainly two significant deals that the White House made with interest groups. |
rug |
Nov-18-11 07:31 PM |
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"Facts are stupid things." - Ronald Reagan |
UrbScotty |
Nov-18-11 08:06 PM |
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"I know we are supposed to blame Obama for everything at this website" |
kath |
Nov-18-11 09:06 PM |
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Not only are you right, Dennis, but if the Democrats lose in the Supreme Court, |
Major Hogwash |
Nov-18-11 09:39 PM |
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Obama only secretly kills people. |
MNBrewer |
Nov-20-11 07:54 PM |
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