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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-11 09:24 PM
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117. You were wrong in that Dorgan did not resign, he chose not to run....
and you are telling that none of this had anything to do with who was going to be
running against him?

Dorgan's decision stunned members of his party, who control the Senate but are facing spirited challenges from Republicans in several states. Democrats were confident heading into the new year that Dorgan would run for re-election even as rumors intensified that Republican Gov. John Hoeven would challenge him in November.

Early polling showed Dorgan trailing Hoeven in a hypothetical contest, and Democrats expected a competitive race if the matchup materialized.

Hoeven has not announced a candidacy but national Republicans expect he will.
Hoeven told The Associated Press on Tuesday that he was "looking at (a Senate race) very seriously."

"I expect we'll announce our intentions here within a couple of weeks," Hoeven said.

Hoeven served as the 31st Governor of North Dakota, serving from December 15, 2000 to December 7, 2010. He was the longest-serving current Governor in the United States at the time of his resignation. (United_States)

Dorgan is not a liberal's wet dream. He is a good, moderate Democrat who liberals agree with on some issues but disagree with on little things like immigration and deficit spending. As the NY Times article about this mentions,

Mr. Dorgan has grown increasingly pessimistic about his prospects for re-election in recent weeks as he traveled around the state and met with constituents and he did not hide his sentiment that the Congress and the Obama administration erred in putting too much emphasis on the health care overhaul and not enough on job-creating economic programs.

And did I mention that he's a "budget scold"?:

"We need to reform our financial system to make sure that which happened to cause this deep recession will not happen again. And we need to get our fiscal and budget policies under control. The federal budget deficits are not sustainable."

Hoeven is now North Dakota's junior Senator.

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  -I am a HUGE Cheerleader for President Obama - if you disagree then please tell me why.... Tx4obama  Nov-01-11 04:39 AM   #0 
  - All I can say is...I'm with you!!  RichGirl   Nov-01-11 04:53 AM   #1 
  - he's looking like God compared with these GOP clowns  Skittles   Nov-01-11 04:54 AM   #2 
  - I think it's easy to forget how extreme the other side is  pnwmom   Nov-01-11 04:56 AM   #3 
  - I just.....want better  Skittles   Nov-01-11 05:00 AM   #4 
     - Me, neither. Although there is a possibility of Obama moving somewhat left if we can improve  pnwmom   Nov-01-11 05:20 AM   #15 
        - he didn't move left when he had the chance  Skittles   Nov-01-11 05:31 AM   #18 
        - Why perpetuate the myth that he had 60 in the Senate when Joe Lieberman was an Independent then?  pnwmom   Nov-01-11 01:21 PM   #79 
        - We only had a filibuster proof Congress for a very short period of time  Tx4obama   Nov-01-11 06:04 AM   #29 
           - and our short-term filibuster proof Senate was only as progressive as Ben Nelson, Blanche Lincoln,  Pirate Smile   Nov-01-11 10:07 AM   #54 
           - How do you explain the active White House support...  bvar22   Nov-01-11 11:34 AM   #65 
              - Because in those RED states, those Democrats were better than  pnwmom   Nov-01-11 01:23 PM   #81 
                 - Go back and read again.  bvar22   Nov-01-11 01:34 PM   #83 
           - +10000000 that is so true  flamingdem   Nov-01-11 02:27 PM   #86 
  - I agree. At the least - Obama looks like the most sane adult in the room. n/t  Tx4obama   Nov-01-11 05:16 AM   #11 
  - I'm neither an idealist nor a single-issue voter. I voted for Obama the Man and am therefore  lamp_shade   Nov-01-11 05:05 AM   #5 
  - I am proud too. And he IS the man I voted for and he has done well considering the GOP obstruction.  Tx4obama   Nov-01-11 05:19 AM   #14 
  - On the issues that matter most to me he's just like Bush  Marazinia   Nov-01-11 05:07 AM   #6 
  - Of course he is.  JTFrog   Nov-01-11 09:46 AM   #52 
  - Maybe you could explain  Sheepshank   Nov-01-11 10:19 AM   #55 
  - He could have just done so (with Gitmo) within his Constitutional authority  TheKentuckian   Nov-01-11 11:06 AM   #61 
  - He had a majority in Congress for two years  Marazinia   Nov-01-11 01:19 PM   #78 
     - What was needed, was a fillibuster proof Congress  Sheepshank   Nov-01-11 02:39 PM   #87 
     - Again, when the Republicans are in the minority  Marazinia   Nov-01-11 03:08 PM   #89 
        - you don't seem to understand...a minority in Congress can bung up the works.  Sheepshank   Nov-01-11 03:11 PM   #90 
           - I do understand that  Marazinia   Nov-01-11 03:20 PM   #92 
              - good want the Dems to act like Reps?  Sheepshank   Nov-01-11 07:00 PM   #112 
     - Good Riddance.  JTFrog   Nov-02-11 11:06 AM   #126 
  - So, women's rights and GLBT rights don't make your list? Environment?  MH1   Nov-01-11 11:56 AM   #69 
     - I sympathize with wanting anyone but a Republican in because of those issues  Marazinia   Nov-01-11 02:41 PM   #88 
  - Quotes.....  Tx4obama   Nov-01-11 05:08 AM   #7 
  - yeah, we know he talks a good game  Skittles   Nov-01-11 05:10 AM   #8 
     - It is NOT just talk. Obama has DONE many good things for America and Amercians.  Tx4obama   Nov-01-11 05:12 AM   #9 
        - gawd  Skittles   Nov-01-11 05:17 AM   #12 
        - Please explain to me/us why you have a fear/dislike of 'lists'  Tx4obama   Nov-01-11 05:31 AM   #17 
           - Lists contain information  EffieBlack   Nov-01-11 08:37 AM   #43 
              - Yep and Yep. Like I say all of the time, "Teh List" is DU's kyrptonite  Number23   Nov-01-11 06:43 PM   #107 
        - Go back to the days under Bush?  pmorlan1   Nov-01-11 07:24 AM   #37 
           - With the Obama admin, there is no such thing as "the War on Terror"......  FrenchieCat   Nov-01-11 01:19 PM   #76 
  - If you make a pyramid I'll send him money.  rug   Nov-01-11 05:13 AM   #10 
  - You will never send any money to his campaign, even if you were threatened  FrenchieCat   Nov-01-11 01:22 PM   #80 
  - He's an empty suit.  bowens43   Nov-01-11 05:17 AM   #13 
  - Bullshit !!!  Tx4obama   Nov-01-11 05:21 AM   #16 
  - Out weighed by what he has done.  RC   Nov-01-11 05:47 AM   #24 
  - PLUS ONE.  Enthusiast   Nov-01-11 06:50 AM   #34 
  - Well said  Marazinia   Nov-01-11 08:49 AM   #46 
  - Obama does nothing to rankle the ruling class.  immoderate   Nov-01-11 10:41 AM   #58 
  - Your list is incorrect.....  FrenchieCat   Nov-01-11 01:34 PM   #84 
  - I have lived in North Dakota for 45 years.  RC   Nov-01-11 07:16 PM   #113 
     - You were wrong in that Dorgan did not resign, he chose not to run....  FrenchieCat   Nov-01-11 09:24 PM   #117 
        - Hoeven announced his candidacy After Dorgan said he would not run  RC   Nov-01-11 10:09 PM   #120 
  - Excellent rebuttal, RC  Carolina   Nov-02-11 11:23 AM   #127 
  - Here's a few things he has done.  OnyxCollie   Nov-01-11 11:18 AM   #62 
  - Well it all depends on what you categorize as pretty talk;  Cigar11   Nov-01-11 11:44 AM   #67 
  - He still hasn't given me my unicorn that farts glitter!  Ian David   Nov-01-11 05:34 AM   #19 
  - If that unicorn doesn't lose some weight  Marazinia   Nov-01-11 07:55 AM   #42 
  - I too am a cheerleader!!  SkyDaddy7   Nov-01-11 05:37 AM   #20 
  - All he had to do was get out of Spain's way.  hulka38   Nov-01-11 08:44 PM   #116 
  - Thanks for that list!  pnorman   Nov-01-11 05:40 AM   #21 
  - You're welcome! :)  Tx4obama   Nov-01-11 05:50 AM   #26 
  - I could list what I regard as his many failures,  Vattel   Nov-01-11 05:45 AM   #22 
  - Never was excited in the first place  the other one   Nov-01-11 05:46 AM   #23 
  - Oh really?  Tx4obama   Nov-01-11 05:54 AM   #28 
  - Did we ever have a "viable" candidate who embraced Universal Health Care?  Tarheel_Dem   Nov-01-11 12:36 PM   #72 
     - Yes. Candidate Obama.  jeff47   Nov-01-11 04:48 PM   #100 
        - "Strongly"? Define "strongly". Obviously, the public option wasn't a deal breaker.  Tarheel_Dem   Nov-01-11 05:00 PM   #101 
           - According to Candidate Obama, it was critical. President Obama? Not so much.  jeff47   Nov-02-11 12:46 AM   #121 
              - So does hyperbole. Talk to Max Baucus, and get back to me.  Tarheel_Dem   Nov-02-11 12:02 PM   #129 
                 - Ah yes. More buck-passing.  jeff47   Nov-02-11 12:10 PM   #130 
                    - Apparently, he didn't have "influence" on the blue dogs. Who does?  Tarheel_Dem   Nov-02-11 01:16 PM   #131 
                       - Funny thing. After turning health care reform over to the blue dogs for a year,  jeff47   Nov-02-11 04:57 PM   #132 
                          - And if my Aunt Mary had a penis, she'd be my Uncle.  Tarheel_Dem   Nov-02-11 09:14 PM   #135 
  - Love you brother.  mahina   Nov-01-11 05:49 AM   #25 
  - I love the chant  DisgustipatedinCA   Nov-01-11 09:44 PM   #119 
  - Climate protection policy through the EPA  Kolesar   Nov-01-11 05:52 AM   #27 
  - Here's why I'm not a cheerleader  lbrtbell   Nov-01-11 06:14 AM   #30 
  - Regarding your comment ...  Tx4obama   Nov-01-11 06:27 AM   #32 
  - ++ and amen. nt  pecwae   Nov-01-11 06:39 AM   #33 
  - "may I respectfully suggest a remedial reading teacher."  Kolesar   Nov-01-11 09:21 AM   #49 
  - He is continuing the Bush admins policy on rendition and torture as well  sunwyn   Nov-01-11 06:15 AM   #31 
  - You do have choices ...  Cigar11   Nov-01-11 07:14 AM   #35 
     - What choices are you suggesting? Voting rethug will never happen with me.  sunwyn   Nov-01-11 07:51 AM   #41 
        - Thats why we have one voter, one vote.  Cigar11   Nov-01-11 09:00 AM   #47 
  - Cheerleader?  pmorlan1   Nov-01-11 07:22 AM   #36 
  - Is your question sincere? Do you really want to know?  LWolf   Nov-01-11 07:25 AM   #38 
  - If you look at the OP's replies throughout this thread, the answer is clearly no.  jeff47   Nov-01-11 04:44 PM   #97 
     - I thought that might be it. :( nt  LWolf   Nov-01-11 08:17 PM   #115 
  - transparency  alc   Nov-01-11 07:29 AM   #39 
  - Youll never make everyone happy,  Cigar11   Nov-01-11 07:41 AM   #40 
  - I don't disagree. You likely are a huge cheerleader for Obama.  Township75   Nov-01-11 08:41 AM   #44 
  - because the unemployment rate is still a disaster  Enrique   Nov-01-11 08:45 AM   #45 
  - I'll give you two reasons:  ejbr   Nov-01-11 09:12 AM   #48 
  - Thanks for your OP.  Puglover   Nov-01-11 09:39 AM   #50 
  - "we are never going to elect a progressive"  Enrique   Nov-01-11 10:21 AM   #56 
     - Please don't put words in my mouth.  Puglover   Nov-01-11 10:57 AM   #59 
        - It's not putting words in your mouth when you are being quoted. (nt)  jeff47   Nov-01-11 04:45 PM   #98 
           - I was referring to the poster using the word  Puglover   Nov-01-11 06:53 PM   #110 
              - What exactly does this mean then, if you are not stating a rule?  jeff47   Nov-02-11 12:48 AM   #122 
                 - Yeah Jeff  Puglover   Nov-02-11 07:57 AM   #125 
  - Can you hear me cheering  mstinamotorcity   Nov-01-11 09:43 AM   #51 
  - I asked a similar question a couple of weeks ago,  Sheepshank   Nov-01-11 10:06 AM   #53 
  - there's a middle ground, you know  Enrique   Nov-01-11 10:25 AM   #57 
  - Are you saying I'm without a brain?  Sheepshank   Nov-01-11 11:33 AM   #64 
  - Of course he's not the wrong chocie.  Vattel   Nov-01-11 05:02 PM   #103 
  - I'm with you +1000!!!!  Pisces   Nov-01-11 10:58 AM   #60 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Nov-01-11 11:33 AM   #63 
  - I'll let this guy speak for my disappointment:  bvar22   Nov-01-11 11:42 AM   #66 
  - I had no idea.  Safetykitten   Nov-01-11 11:50 AM   #68 
  - He has entrenched far too many right wing narratives...  vi5   Nov-01-11 11:57 AM   #70 
  - I'm right there with you, because I'm an adult. And I understand that I can't have everything I....  Tarheel_Dem   Nov-01-11 12:30 PM   #71 
  - Favorite  Johnny2X2X   Nov-01-11 12:57 PM   #73 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Nov-01-11 01:00 PM   #74 
  - Ask a question, and see links provided by OP to get some answers.....  FrenchieCat   Nov-01-11 01:05 PM   #75 
  - I too cheer for his success and am grateful for his successes.  great white snark   Nov-01-11 01:19 PM   #77 
  - I used to be called one of the main cheerleaders here...  kjackson227   Nov-01-11 01:33 PM   #82 
  - I'm with you. Rec!  CakeGrrl   Nov-01-11 01:42 PM   #85 
  - Hear hear! Any extended Democratic down time would do us all in.  great white snark   Nov-01-11 03:48 PM   #93 
  - Most Presidents have been known for doing either something  JoePhilly   Nov-01-11 03:20 PM   #91 
  - And in such a short time, to boot.  Tarheel_Dem   Nov-01-11 03:54 PM   #94 
  - Policy on Medical Cannabis in CA  victoryparty   Nov-01-11 03:57 PM   #95 
  - I may not be the cheerleader that you are, but I'm right there with you!!! n/t  Liberal_Stalwart71   Nov-01-11 04:19 PM   #96 
  - Well, I'll be voting for Obama but holding my nose while I do it  SomethingFishy   Nov-01-11 04:48 PM   #99 
  - "Constitutional Violations?"  CakeGrrl   Nov-01-11 05:14 PM   #104 
     - Excuse me? Ok, first of all I said I would vote for Obama.  SomethingFishy   Nov-01-11 05:23 PM   #106 
  - I couldn't have any rational reason to disagree with your self-assessment  slackmaster   Nov-01-11 05:01 PM   #102 
  - You are certainly entitled to your opinion  Sherman A1   Nov-01-11 05:15 PM   #105 
  - yeh, whatever... nt  GSLevel9   Nov-01-11 06:48 PM   #108 
  - Rec'd. That's a damn good set of "Teh Lists" you've got there  Number23   Nov-01-11 06:53 PM   #109 
  - See post # 66 - maybe the original poster will reply to those who have taken the time to respond...  slipslidingaway   Nov-01-11 06:57 PM   #111 
  - Did you read any of the OP's replies? The OP isn't interested in any sort of discussion. (nt)  jeff47   Nov-02-11 12:54 AM   #123 
     - Only a few, but asked the OP in another thread last night about responding ...  slipslidingaway   Nov-02-11 05:49 PM   #133 
  - Count me In! I absolutely ADORE this President of ours!  love0bama-4ever   Nov-01-11 07:43 PM   #114 
  - I disagree.  ZombieHorde   Nov-01-11 09:33 PM   #118 
  - I too agree, you are a huge cheerleader.  donheld   Nov-02-11 02:30 AM   #124 
  - Definitely, a HUGE cheerleader. No doubt about it.  MNBrewer   Nov-02-11 11:55 AM   #128 
  - My main gripe  Rosa Luxemburg   Nov-02-11 06:01 PM   #134 
  - I've seen lots of paintings of President Obama riding unicorns on the web:  Norrin Radd   Nov-03-11 05:03 AM   #136 

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