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| 147. I'll give a kick...but, then I'm from the Viet Nam War Gen...so I'm biased.. |
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 I wanted someone to run to challenge a Dem President on War and Killing. I feel sad that Ron Paul on the Right (the crazy one amongst other Crazies) is the only one talking about "Withdrawing Troops." I wanted a Dem Candidate to Challenge Obama to make him understand how some of us feel about these Endless Wars and now DRONE WARS? GIVE ME A BREAK! As a person who fought agains Vietnam in the 70's ...you are asking ME...who is STill Young and FIT to now SUPPORT DRONE WARS?? YOU gotta UNDERSTAND...that THIS WILL NOT STAND! WE WORKED TOO HARD AGAINST THESE WARS for EMPIRE. MY GENERATION ISN'T DEAD YET! Don't let ANYONE TELL YOU THAT. 
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| -Darcy Richardson, aide to Senator Eugene McCarthy to continue his tradition, challenges Obama in NH! |
Hart2008 |
Oct-29-11 06:01 AM |
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Celebratory emoticons (Dial up warning) |
Hart2008 |
Oct-29-11 06:02 AM |
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Oh great. McCarthy helped Nixon get elected. |
pnwmom |
Oct-29-11 06:12 AM |
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Bullshit! That was LBJ and his war. Still, Nixon needed RFK's death to win. NT |
Hart2008 |
Oct-29-11 06:13 AM |
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No, he didn't: Nixon would've beaten RFK easier than he did Humphrey. Indeed, RFK was the candidate |
apocalypsehow |
Oct-30-11 12:59 AM |
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Uh, so that is why RFK was assassinated, to HURT NIXON? |
Hart2008 |
Oct-30-11 02:24 PM |
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Deleted sub-thread |
Name removed |
Oct-30-11 03:50 PM |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Nov-01-11 03:09 PM |
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What are you basing that on? I think the historical record suggests |
coalition_unwilling |
Nov-08-11 12:18 PM |
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LOL! And you know this how? |
No Elephants |
Dec-30-11 06:31 PM |
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The Vietnam War got Nixon elected. |
leveymg |
Oct-29-11 06:29 AM |
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Right on! NT |
Hart2008 |
Oct-29-11 06:35 AM |
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self delete dupe. |
Hart2008 |
Oct-29-11 06:35 AM |
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Then don't expect that having a challenger now will improve Obama for the general election. |
pnwmom |
Oct-29-11 01:57 PM |
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Don't worry. THere is no challenger now. This Darcy person is one of a dozen or so no-names that |
stevenleser |
Oct-29-11 08:46 PM |
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Assuming a primary challenger always hurts an incumbent has no grounding in reality. |
No Elephants |
Dec-30-11 06:39 PM |
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Yap, I still recall "Nixon has a secret plan to end Viet-Nam war" |
golfguru |
Oct-29-11 09:50 PM |
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The plan was to play politics with the war for four years to help his reelection. NT |
Hart2008 |
Oct-30-11 02:21 PM |
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Good thing he kept it a secret. We don't cotton to no war ending. |
No Elephants |
Jan-11-12 02:11 PM |
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Nope, it most certainly did not. What got Nixon elected was stunts like McCarthy's, plus all the |
apocalypsehow |
Oct-30-11 01:13 AM |
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What polling data do you cite for the assertion that LBJ could have won in '68? |
Hart2008 |
Oct-31-11 04:39 AM |
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I have studied the history closely and your account is, at the very |
coalition_unwilling |
Nov-08-11 12:29 PM |
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So how many shooting wars are we currently in? |
golfguru |
Dec-12-11 01:10 PM |
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No, Nixon's promise to end the war got Nixon elected. As did voting machines and the usual |
No Elephants |
Dec-30-11 06:33 PM |
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That was what I thought! Nothing to yee haw about. |
MADem |
Oct-29-11 06:54 AM |
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In order to remember history, one must first learn it in the first place. |
Hart2008 |
Oct-29-11 06:59 AM |
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That's not quite accurate, either. Domestic unrest got Nixon elected. |
MADem |
Oct-29-11 07:41 AM |
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And McCarthy told the protesters to clean up and work within the system for change. |
Hart2008 |
Oct-30-11 02:35 PM |
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Do you ever post a link? |
No Elephants |
Dec-30-11 06:49 PM |
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The simplistic assumption that a primary challenger HELPS an incumbent in the general election |
pnwmom |
Oct-29-11 01:54 PM |
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McCarthy and RFK helped the party in the general election by forcing LBJ back to his ranch. |
Hart2008 |
Oct-29-11 02:03 PM |
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McCarthy never helped Humphrey in the general. Humphrey would have had a much |
pnwmom |
Oct-29-11 02:20 PM |
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McCarthy did endorse Humphrey in '68. LBJ wouldn't let HHH oppose the war. |
Hart2008 |
Oct-30-11 02:53 PM |
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Actually LBJ did endorse Humphrey. Made radio addresses for him and appeared at the final big rally |
WI_DEM |
Oct-31-11 10:33 AM |
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True, LBJ had lost the support of the left and he never had the support of the right. |
No Elephants |
Dec-30-11 06:44 PM |
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The assumption that a primary challenger always hurts is even more simplistic. |
No Elephants |
Dec-30-11 06:48 PM |
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It does not square with some INTERPRETATIONs of history. |
No Elephants |
Jan-11-12 02:17 PM |
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LOL! |
No Elephants |
Dec-30-11 06:41 PM |
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McCarthy also supported Reagan in 1980, |
bornskeptic |
Oct-29-11 06:57 AM |
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The party moved to the right, and he refused to move right with it. |
Hart2008 |
Oct-29-11 07:01 AM |
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So that justifies McCarthy's endorsement of Reagan in 1980....uhhhh, how, exactly? |
apocalypsehow |
Oct-30-11 01:04 AM |
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Even great men are occasionally wrong. He had deep philosophical issues with Carter's neoliberalism |
Hart2008 |
Oct-30-11 02:49 PM |
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"McCarthy didn't think Reagan could be any worse" - That's the best you got? It's a pretty meager |
apocalypsehow |
Oct-30-11 04:07 PM |
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Uh, Eugene McCarthy isn't running this year. |
Hart2008 |
Oct-30-11 04:15 PM |
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By the bye, for those just catching up wondering why so many dodges and evasions and now this |
apocalypsehow |
Oct-30-11 04:19 PM |
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We are all wondering why you have so many dodges and evasions.NT |
Hart2008 |
Oct-30-11 05:31 PM |
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LOL! |
No Elephants |
Dec-30-11 06:50 PM |
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Uh, Eugene McCarthy isn't running this year. |
Hart2008 |
Oct-30-11 04:15 PM |
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Now you attempt to change the subject, again. I would too, if the facts were so inconveniently not |
apocalypsehow |
Oct-30-11 04:17 PM |
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You want to judge a great Dem based on one error in his career? |
Hart2008 |
Oct-30-11 04:19 PM |
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Now you begin quoting the Bible: what's next in lieu of a factual rebuttal? A hymn? |
apocalypsehow |
Oct-30-11 04:24 PM |
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"Silence is the true friend that never betrays."-Confucius NT |
Hart2008 |
Oct-30-11 04:31 PM |
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More fun with irrelevant quotes and other evasions in lieu of facts. Discussion concluded. n/t. |
apocalypsehow |
Oct-30-11 04:34 PM |
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Discussion concluded without any facts referenced or cited by you. |
Hart2008 |
Oct-31-11 04:37 AM |
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I never "judged" McCarthy based on "one error": I judged his actions within the context of that "one |
apocalypsehow |
Oct-30-11 04:27 PM |
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Try citing references for your "facts" which are so irrefutable. |
Hart2008 |
Oct-31-11 04:35 AM |
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I'd forgotten about that. Ugh. n/t |
pnwmom |
Oct-29-11 01:55 PM |
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I actually knew him. |
Scruffy1 |
Oct-30-11 12:16 AM |
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Which is to say that in '68 and '72 you think he would have been worse than Nixon? |
Hart2008 |
Oct-30-11 03:38 PM |
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I once sat on a panel with a colleague whose assessment of him was the same. It was only anecdote, |
apocalypsehow |
Oct-30-11 05:44 PM |
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I can only wonder what assessment your colleagues and stuents have of your opinions. |
Hart2008 |
Oct-31-11 04:44 AM |
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Unlike Nixon? |
No Elephants |
Jan-11-12 02:20 PM |
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McCarthy's challenge to LBJ was finance largely by one wealthy doner. |
Hart2008 |
Oct-31-11 04:53 AM |
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Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, you can't get fooled again. |
shotten99 |
Oct-31-11 10:38 AM |
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gee. who knew nixon would have beat RFK? |
newspeak |
Nov-01-11 12:53 PM |
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Explain to me what did McCarthy do to lead the augury of Nixon victory in 1968? |
DisabledDem |
Dec-24-11 04:50 PM |
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Bullshit. |
No Elephants |
Dec-30-11 06:30 PM |
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Bless his heart... The New Democrats, which he Chaired, are a centrist DLC faction. |
jefferson_dem |
Oct-29-11 07:15 AM |
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No, before Clinton, the New Dems were not DLCers. |
Hart2008 |
Oct-29-11 07:19 AM |
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According to these articles from 1989, Hart didn't start it and wasn't actively involved |
fishwax |
Oct-29-11 03:10 PM |
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Sports handicapper?... |
SidDithers |
Oct-30-11 05:55 AM |
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Thanks for that info. I had thought the New Dems were always DLC shits. |
No Elephants |
Jan-11-12 02:24 PM |
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I think that's a different group |
fishwax |
Oct-29-11 03:00 PM |
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Right! The DLC stole the name to market itself. It sounded better than Repuke Lite. |
Hart2008 |
Oct-30-11 02:19 PM |
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Seems Richardson may not be much of a Democrat after all...but likes to try to play spoiler. |
jefferson_dem |
Oct-29-11 07:24 AM |
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The banking industry’s dirtiest secret is that it’s half ‘socialist,’ and in the worst sense |
Hart2008 |
Oct-29-11 07:27 AM |
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No, just that he's not actually a Democrat. He's run under the "Consumer Party" label too. |
jefferson_dem |
Oct-29-11 07:31 AM |
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And Leon Panetta and Robert Gates were Repukes who now serve in Obama's cabinet. |
Hart2008 |
Oct-29-11 01:53 PM |
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OOOOPS! I forgot the former "Goldwater Girl" who is now Secretary of State! NT |
Hart2008 |
Oct-30-11 02:58 PM |
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No-names that put themselves on Presidential primary ballots usually are pretty odd cats. |
stevenleser |
Oct-29-11 08:49 PM |
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Bwahahahahahahaha!!!!! |
JoePhilly |
Oct-29-11 07:31 AM |
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Who? Was he on 'Married with Children?' |
BklnDem75 |
Oct-29-11 07:47 AM |
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Darcy will probably end up with about 5% of the NH vote. He and Hart2008 will proclaim victory. |
WI_DEM |
Oct-29-11 09:53 AM |
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According to the nationwide polls 20% of Dems want another candidate. |
Hart2008 |
Oct-29-11 02:09 PM |
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Keep dreaming, old chum. |
Arkana |
Oct-29-11 02:57 PM |
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Have the 20% been clamoring for "Darcy"? They're even more eff'd up than previously thought. |
Tarheel_Dem |
Oct-30-11 02:09 AM |
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The 20% asked for democratic elections and Darcy answered their call. NT |
Hart2008 |
Oct-30-11 03:50 PM |
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! |
Tarheel_Dem |
Oct-30-11 04:20 PM |
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He'll have to share the anti-Obama vote with twelve other candidates: |
Freddie Stubbs |
Nov-01-11 02:51 PM |
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Ahahahaha. |
Arkana |
Oct-29-11 10:02 AM |
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Mickey Mouse will get more votes. |
Ikonoklast |
Oct-29-11 10:07 AM |
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Did Mickey pay the $1000 filing fee? NT |
Hart2008 |
Oct-29-11 02:10 PM |
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Unlike that nobody Darcy, Mickey knows better than to waste his money |
Ikonoklast |
Oct-29-11 02:59 PM |
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He doesn't need to. He's still a more credible candidate |
Arkana |
Oct-29-11 03:01 PM |
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And Mickey didn't waste $1000 like the other no-name losers. LMAO |
stevenleser |
Oct-29-11 08:54 PM |
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why not just accept the reality that President Obama is not going to have a serious challenger in |
Douglas Carpenter |
Oct-29-11 11:21 AM |
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OMGz!! How will Lee Mercer Jr respond?!? |
tritsofme |
Oct-29-11 12:17 PM |
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Bwaha |
great white snark |
Oct-29-11 12:21 PM |
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hehe n/t |
fishwax |
Oct-29-11 02:38 PM |
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Ha! |
Number23 |
Oct-29-11 04:25 PM |
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Not 100% sure but I think a hotwire hookup will be employed somehow. nt |
stevenleser |
Oct-29-11 08:53 PM |
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darcy richardson is all up in lee mercers house with disease.... |
dionysus |
Oct-31-11 10:46 AM |
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! |
Tarheel_Dem |
Oct-30-11 02:27 PM |
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Hey look, I found a picture of Gary Hart rising out of the pumpkin patch! |
FSogol |
Oct-29-11 02:11 PM |
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I think Charlie brown's sister Sally sums up the wait for the "Great Primary Opponent" very well ... |
JoePhilly |
Oct-29-11 04:05 PM |
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And the OP (as Linus) |
FSogol |
Oct-29-11 04:24 PM |
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You get to be Pig-Pen!!! NT |
Hart2008 |
Oct-30-11 03:36 PM |
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NOBODY in the MSM even mentioned this. That's because this guy is not a serious candidate. |
jenmito |
Oct-29-11 08:12 PM |
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Exactly, there are always one or two dozen no-name losers who put their names on the prez primary |
stevenleser |
Oct-29-11 08:51 PM |
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Yup... |
jenmito |
Oct-29-11 09:12 PM |
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The M$M never reports any real news. That's why we have the Internet. |
Hart2008 |
Oct-30-11 05:27 PM |
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Oct-29-11 08:36 PM |
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This is nothing special. There are always no-names who run. We knew that before this. |
stevenleser |
Oct-29-11 08:44 PM |
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"advertising manager and financial services consultant" |
Tarheel_Dem |
Oct-30-11 02:24 AM |
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ROFL... |
SidDithers |
Oct-30-11 05:53 AM |
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After 10 years working for Merril Lynch, I'm sure he's got a lot of great ideas to help the poor. |
Robb |
Oct-30-11 03:49 PM |
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I look forward to hearing his ideas regardless of his employer in this bad economy. |
Hart2008 |
Oct-30-11 04:10 PM |
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He sent a ton of money to Nader in 2000, for crying out loud. |
Robb |
Oct-30-11 04:15 PM |
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Nader used to be Dem too before the DLC took over the party. |
Hart2008 |
Oct-30-11 04:23 PM |
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And Lieberman used to be a Democrat, too. |
Robb |
Oct-30-11 04:30 PM |
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People like Lieberman and the DLC made old Dems reconsider the party. |
Hart2008 |
Oct-30-11 04:36 PM |
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It'll be interesting to see how this goes over with the OWS protestors. |
Tarheel_Dem |
Oct-30-11 04:18 PM |
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Darcy Richardson/Cornel West 2012!11!11 feel it!!1!! |
dionysus |
Oct-31-11 10:28 AM |
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Aw Jeez. Is that what he looks like? He's got a fucked up grill for starters. |
Tarheel_Dem |
Oct-31-11 11:34 AM |
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oh happy day!!1!1! |
dionysus |
Oct-31-11 10:27 AM |
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The anti-Obama people are really scraping the bottom of the barrel |
Freddie Stubbs |
Oct-31-11 11:42 AM |
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Yup. |
Splinter Cell |
Oct-31-11 12:39 PM |
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They've been scraping so hard, the bottom has fallen out |
NYC Liberal |
Nov-01-11 03:13 PM |
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So, anything new from Darcy Richardson yet?... |
SidDithers |
Nov-07-11 08:02 PM |
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! |
Tarheel_Dem |
Nov-07-11 10:30 PM |
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hey! you spit water on me! thems.. fightin' woids! |
dionysus |
Nov-08-11 08:49 AM |
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Dion, don't fight me. Fight Darcy! |
Tarheel_Dem |
Nov-08-11 09:36 AM |
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i ain't messing with the Brothers of the Effed Up Teeth.... that's all you... |
dionysus |
Nov-08-11 09:55 AM |
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Quit it! You made me a pee a little bit! |
Tarheel_Dem |
Nov-08-11 10:42 AM |
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kick for FAIL! |
dionysus |
Nov-08-11 08:47 AM |
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Is anyone fooled into believing this isn't a bizarre face-saving effort by the OP? |
stevenleser |
Nov-08-11 11:04 AM |
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Too late to rec this. Plan to send a nominal donation soon. - n/t |
coalition_unwilling |
Nov-08-11 12:19 PM |
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In that case, allow me to interest you in this bridge I have for sale. You should see the traffic |
stevenleser |
Nov-08-11 12:23 PM |
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He'll soon have enough money... |
BklnDem75 |
Nov-08-11 12:25 PM |
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I think this thread needs to stay alive until after the NH primary...nt |
SidDithers |
Nov-15-11 09:07 PM |
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I think it needs to say alive... FOREVER... |
Number23 |
Nov-15-11 10:52 PM |
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WHO??? |
CakeGrrl |
Nov-15-11 10:56 PM |
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ABSOLUTELY *ZERO* REC'S. Life must be miserable for you, especially following a loser like HART! |
Liberal_Stalwart71 |
Nov-15-11 11:12 PM |
#126 |
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How many unrecs a thread get determines if an OP's life is miserable? Sounds as though you may need |
No Elephants |
Jan-11-12 02:28 PM |
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No thanks. A financial consultant and blogger?? |
madinmaryland |
Nov-16-11 10:55 AM |
#127 |
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Well, it's been a week since we last checked... |
SidDithers |
Nov-23-11 03:10 PM |
#128 |
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! |
Tarheel_Dem |
Nov-23-11 05:23 PM |
#129 |
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This thread would be a lot more fun if the OP hadn't fled the scene...nt |
SidDithers |
Nov-23-11 08:46 PM |
#130 |
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Is Darcy a no-show? Did he find out that progressives wouldn't get behind a "financial consultant"? |
Tarheel_Dem |
Nov-23-11 08:58 PM |
#131 |
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One last kick...nt |
SidDithers |
Dec-12-11 11:55 AM |
#132 |
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I'll kick your kick. |
Ikonoklast |
Dec-16-11 01:09 PM |
#134 |
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Kickin' your kick! |
Tarheel_Dem |
Dec-16-11 05:04 PM |
#135 |
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You guys are SO BAD! |
Number23 |
Dec-18-11 09:00 PM |
#136 |
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I'll give a kick...but, then I'm from the Viet Nam War Gen...so I'm biased.. |
KoKo |
Jan-06-12 07:40 PM |
#147 |
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NH Democratic Primary Results... |
SidDithers |
Jan-11-12 09:57 AM |
#148 |
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Who said it was going to be a squeaker? |
No Elephants |
Jan-11-12 02:29 PM |
#154 |
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Oh dear, this is the LAST thing we needed. |
AverageJoe90 |
Jan-14-12 11:46 PM |
#155 |
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