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| -Darcy Richardson, aide to Senator Eugene McCarthy to continue his tradition, challenges Obama in NH! |
Hart2008 |
Oct-29-11 06:01 AM |
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Celebratory emoticons (Dial up warning) |
Hart2008 |
Oct-29-11 06:02 AM |
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Oh great. McCarthy helped Nixon get elected. |
pnwmom |
Oct-29-11 06:12 AM |
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Bullshit! That was LBJ and his war. Still, Nixon needed RFK's death to win. NT |
Hart2008 |
Oct-29-11 06:13 AM |
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No, he didn't: Nixon would've beaten RFK easier than he did Humphrey. Indeed, RFK was the candidate |
apocalypsehow |
Oct-30-11 12:59 AM |
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Uh, so that is why RFK was assassinated, to HURT NIXON? |
Hart2008 |
Oct-30-11 02:24 PM |
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Deleted sub-thread |
Name removed |
Oct-30-11 03:50 PM |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Nov-01-11 03:09 PM |
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What are you basing that on? I think the historical record suggests |
coalition_unwilling |
Nov-08-11 12:18 PM |
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LOL! And you know this how? |
No Elephants |
Dec-30-11 06:31 PM |
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The Vietnam War got Nixon elected. |
leveymg |
Oct-29-11 06:29 AM |
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Right on! NT |
Hart2008 |
Oct-29-11 06:35 AM |
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self delete dupe. |
Hart2008 |
Oct-29-11 06:35 AM |
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Then don't expect that having a challenger now will improve Obama for the general election. |
pnwmom |
Oct-29-11 01:57 PM |
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Don't worry. THere is no challenger now. This Darcy person is one of a dozen or so no-names that |
stevenleser |
Oct-29-11 08:46 PM |
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Assuming a primary challenger always hurts an incumbent has no grounding in reality. |
No Elephants |
Dec-30-11 06:39 PM |
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Yap, I still recall "Nixon has a secret plan to end Viet-Nam war" |
golfguru |
Oct-29-11 09:50 PM |
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The plan was to play politics with the war for four years to help his reelection. NT |
Hart2008 |
Oct-30-11 02:21 PM |
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Good thing he kept it a secret. We don't cotton to no war ending. |
No Elephants |
Jan-11-12 02:11 PM |
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Nope, it most certainly did not. What got Nixon elected was stunts like McCarthy's, plus all the |
apocalypsehow |
Oct-30-11 01:13 AM |
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What polling data do you cite for the assertion that LBJ could have won in '68? |
Hart2008 |
Oct-31-11 04:39 AM |
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I have studied the history closely and your account is, at the very |
coalition_unwilling |
Nov-08-11 12:29 PM |
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So how many shooting wars are we currently in? |
golfguru |
Dec-12-11 01:10 PM |
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No, Nixon's promise to end the war got Nixon elected. As did voting machines and the usual |
No Elephants |
Dec-30-11 06:33 PM |
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That was what I thought! Nothing to yee haw about. |
MADem |
Oct-29-11 06:54 AM |
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In order to remember history, one must first learn it in the first place. |
Hart2008 |
Oct-29-11 06:59 AM |
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That's not quite accurate, either. Domestic unrest got Nixon elected. |
MADem |
Oct-29-11 07:41 AM |
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And McCarthy told the protesters to clean up and work within the system for change. |
Hart2008 |
Oct-30-11 02:35 PM |
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Do you ever post a link? |
No Elephants |
Dec-30-11 06:49 PM |
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The simplistic assumption that a primary challenger HELPS an incumbent in the general election |
pnwmom |
Oct-29-11 01:54 PM |
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McCarthy and RFK helped the party in the general election by forcing LBJ back to his ranch. |
Hart2008 |
Oct-29-11 02:03 PM |
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McCarthy never helped Humphrey in the general. Humphrey would have had a much |
pnwmom |
Oct-29-11 02:20 PM |
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McCarthy did endorse Humphrey in '68. LBJ wouldn't let HHH oppose the war. |
Hart2008 |
Oct-30-11 02:53 PM |
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Actually LBJ did endorse Humphrey. Made radio addresses for him and appeared at the final big rally |
WI_DEM |
Oct-31-11 10:33 AM |
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True, LBJ had lost the support of the left and he never had the support of the right. |
No Elephants |
Dec-30-11 06:44 PM |
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The assumption that a primary challenger always hurts is even more simplistic. |
No Elephants |
Dec-30-11 06:48 PM |
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It does not square with some INTERPRETATIONs of history. |
No Elephants |
Jan-11-12 02:17 PM |
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LOL! |
No Elephants |
Dec-30-11 06:41 PM |
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McCarthy also supported Reagan in 1980, |
bornskeptic |
Oct-29-11 06:57 AM |
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The party moved to the right, and he refused to move right with it. |
Hart2008 |
Oct-29-11 07:01 AM |
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So that justifies McCarthy's endorsement of Reagan in 1980....uhhhh, how, exactly? |
apocalypsehow |
Oct-30-11 01:04 AM |
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Even great men are occasionally wrong. He had deep philosophical issues with Carter's neoliberalism |
Hart2008 |
Oct-30-11 02:49 PM |
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"McCarthy didn't think Reagan could be any worse" - That's the best you got? It's a pretty meager |
apocalypsehow |
Oct-30-11 04:07 PM |
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Uh, Eugene McCarthy isn't running this year. |
Hart2008 |
Oct-30-11 04:15 PM |
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By the bye, for those just catching up wondering why so many dodges and evasions and now this |
apocalypsehow |
Oct-30-11 04:19 PM |
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We are all wondering why you have so many dodges and evasions.NT |
Hart2008 |
Oct-30-11 05:31 PM |
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LOL! |
No Elephants |
Dec-30-11 06:50 PM |
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Uh, Eugene McCarthy isn't running this year. |
Hart2008 |
Oct-30-11 04:15 PM |
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Now you attempt to change the subject, again. I would too, if the facts were so inconveniently not |
apocalypsehow |
Oct-30-11 04:17 PM |
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You want to judge a great Dem based on one error in his career? |
Hart2008 |
Oct-30-11 04:19 PM |
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Now you begin quoting the Bible: what's next in lieu of a factual rebuttal? A hymn? |
apocalypsehow |
Oct-30-11 04:24 PM |
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"Silence is the true friend that never betrays."-Confucius NT |
Hart2008 |
Oct-30-11 04:31 PM |
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More fun with irrelevant quotes and other evasions in lieu of facts. Discussion concluded. n/t. |
apocalypsehow |
Oct-30-11 04:34 PM |
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Discussion concluded without any facts referenced or cited by you. |
Hart2008 |
Oct-31-11 04:37 AM |
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I never "judged" McCarthy based on "one error": I judged his actions within the context of that "one |
apocalypsehow |
Oct-30-11 04:27 PM |
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Try citing references for your "facts" which are so irrefutable. |
Hart2008 |
Oct-31-11 04:35 AM |
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I'd forgotten about that. Ugh. n/t |
pnwmom |
Oct-29-11 01:55 PM |
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I actually knew him. |
Scruffy1 |
Oct-30-11 12:16 AM |
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Which is to say that in '68 and '72 you think he would have been worse than Nixon? |
Hart2008 |
Oct-30-11 03:38 PM |
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I once sat on a panel with a colleague whose assessment of him was the same. It was only anecdote, |
apocalypsehow |
Oct-30-11 05:44 PM |
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I can only wonder what assessment your colleagues and stuents have of your opinions. |
Hart2008 |
Oct-31-11 04:44 AM |
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Unlike Nixon? |
No Elephants |
Jan-11-12 02:20 PM |
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McCarthy's challenge to LBJ was finance largely by one wealthy doner. |
Hart2008 |
Oct-31-11 04:53 AM |
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Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, you can't get fooled again. |
shotten99 |
Oct-31-11 10:38 AM |
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gee. who knew nixon would have beat RFK? |
newspeak |
Nov-01-11 12:53 PM |
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Explain to me what did McCarthy do to lead the augury of Nixon victory in 1968? |
DisabledDem |
Dec-24-11 04:50 PM |
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Bullshit. |
No Elephants |
Dec-30-11 06:30 PM |
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Bless his heart... The New Democrats, which he Chaired, are a centrist DLC faction. |
jefferson_dem |
Oct-29-11 07:15 AM |
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No, before Clinton, the New Dems were not DLCers. |
Hart2008 |
Oct-29-11 07:19 AM |
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According to these articles from 1989, Hart didn't start it and wasn't actively involved |
fishwax |
Oct-29-11 03:10 PM |
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Sports handicapper?... |
SidDithers |
Oct-30-11 05:55 AM |
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Thanks for that info. I had thought the New Dems were always DLC shits. |
No Elephants |
Jan-11-12 02:24 PM |
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I think that's a different group |
fishwax |
Oct-29-11 03:00 PM |
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Right! The DLC stole the name to market itself. It sounded better than Repuke Lite. |
Hart2008 |
Oct-30-11 02:19 PM |
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Seems Richardson may not be much of a Democrat after all...but likes to try to play spoiler. |
jefferson_dem |
Oct-29-11 07:24 AM |
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The banking industry’s dirtiest secret is that it’s half ‘socialist,’ and in the worst sense |
Hart2008 |
Oct-29-11 07:27 AM |
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No, just that he's not actually a Democrat. He's run under the "Consumer Party" label too. |
jefferson_dem |
Oct-29-11 07:31 AM |
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And Leon Panetta and Robert Gates were Repukes who now serve in Obama's cabinet. |
Hart2008 |
Oct-29-11 01:53 PM |
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OOOOPS! I forgot the former "Goldwater Girl" who is now Secretary of State! NT |
Hart2008 |
Oct-30-11 02:58 PM |
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No-names that put themselves on Presidential primary ballots usually are pretty odd cats. |
stevenleser |
Oct-29-11 08:49 PM |
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Bwahahahahahahaha!!!!! |
JoePhilly |
Oct-29-11 07:31 AM |
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Who? Was he on 'Married with Children?' |
BklnDem75 |
Oct-29-11 07:47 AM |
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Darcy will probably end up with about 5% of the NH vote. He and Hart2008 will proclaim victory. |
WI_DEM |
Oct-29-11 09:53 AM |
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According to the nationwide polls 20% of Dems want another candidate. |
Hart2008 |
Oct-29-11 02:09 PM |
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Keep dreaming, old chum. |
Arkana |
Oct-29-11 02:57 PM |
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Have the 20% been clamoring for "Darcy"? They're even more eff'd up than previously thought. |
Tarheel_Dem |
Oct-30-11 02:09 AM |
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The 20% asked for democratic elections and Darcy answered their call. NT |
Hart2008 |
Oct-30-11 03:50 PM |
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! |
Tarheel_Dem |
Oct-30-11 04:20 PM |
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He'll have to share the anti-Obama vote with twelve other candidates: |
Freddie Stubbs |
Nov-01-11 02:51 PM |
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Ahahahaha. |
Arkana |
Oct-29-11 10:02 AM |
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Mickey Mouse will get more votes. |
Ikonoklast |
Oct-29-11 10:07 AM |
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Did Mickey pay the $1000 filing fee? NT |
Hart2008 |
Oct-29-11 02:10 PM |
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Unlike that nobody Darcy, Mickey knows better than to waste his money |
Ikonoklast |
Oct-29-11 02:59 PM |
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He doesn't need to. He's still a more credible candidate |
Arkana |
Oct-29-11 03:01 PM |
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And Mickey didn't waste $1000 like the other no-name losers. LMAO |
stevenleser |
Oct-29-11 08:54 PM |
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why not just accept the reality that President Obama is not going to have a serious challenger in |
Douglas Carpenter |
Oct-29-11 11:21 AM |
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OMGz!! How will Lee Mercer Jr respond?!? |
tritsofme |
Oct-29-11 12:17 PM |
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Bwaha |
great white snark |
Oct-29-11 12:21 PM |
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hehe n/t |
fishwax |
Oct-29-11 02:38 PM |
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Ha! |
Number23 |
Oct-29-11 04:25 PM |
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Not 100% sure but I think a hotwire hookup will be employed somehow. nt |
stevenleser |
Oct-29-11 08:53 PM |
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darcy richardson is all up in lee mercers house with disease.... |
dionysus |
Oct-31-11 10:46 AM |
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! |
Tarheel_Dem |
Oct-30-11 02:27 PM |
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Hey look, I found a picture of Gary Hart rising out of the pumpkin patch! |
FSogol |
Oct-29-11 02:11 PM |
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I think Charlie brown's sister Sally sums up the wait for the "Great Primary Opponent" very well ... |
JoePhilly |
Oct-29-11 04:05 PM |
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And the OP (as Linus) |
FSogol |
Oct-29-11 04:24 PM |
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You get to be Pig-Pen!!! NT |
Hart2008 |
Oct-30-11 03:36 PM |
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NOBODY in the MSM even mentioned this. That's because this guy is not a serious candidate. |
jenmito |
Oct-29-11 08:12 PM |
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Exactly, there are always one or two dozen no-name losers who put their names on the prez primary |
stevenleser |
Oct-29-11 08:51 PM |
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Yup... |
jenmito |
Oct-29-11 09:12 PM |
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The M$M never reports any real news. That's why we have the Internet. |
Hart2008 |
Oct-30-11 05:27 PM |
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Deleted sub-thread |
Name removed |
Oct-29-11 08:36 PM |
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This is nothing special. There are always no-names who run. We knew that before this. |
stevenleser |
Oct-29-11 08:44 PM |
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"advertising manager and financial services consultant" |
Tarheel_Dem |
Oct-30-11 02:24 AM |
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ROFL... |
SidDithers |
Oct-30-11 05:53 AM |
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After 10 years working for Merril Lynch, I'm sure he's got a lot of great ideas to help the poor. |
Robb |
Oct-30-11 03:49 PM |
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I look forward to hearing his ideas regardless of his employer in this bad economy. |
Hart2008 |
Oct-30-11 04:10 PM |
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He sent a ton of money to Nader in 2000, for crying out loud. |
Robb |
Oct-30-11 04:15 PM |
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Nader used to be Dem too before the DLC took over the party. |
Hart2008 |
Oct-30-11 04:23 PM |
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And Lieberman used to be a Democrat, too. |
Robb |
Oct-30-11 04:30 PM |
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People like Lieberman and the DLC made old Dems reconsider the party. |
Hart2008 |
Oct-30-11 04:36 PM |
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It'll be interesting to see how this goes over with the OWS protestors. |
Tarheel_Dem |
Oct-30-11 04:18 PM |
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Darcy Richardson/Cornel West 2012!11!11 feel it!!1!! |
dionysus |
Oct-31-11 10:28 AM |
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Aw Jeez. Is that what he looks like? He's got a fucked up grill for starters. |
Tarheel_Dem |
Oct-31-11 11:34 AM |
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oh happy day!!1!1! |
dionysus |
Oct-31-11 10:27 AM |
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The anti-Obama people are really scraping the bottom of the barrel |
Freddie Stubbs |
Oct-31-11 11:42 AM |
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Yup. |
Splinter Cell |
Oct-31-11 12:39 PM |
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They've been scraping so hard, the bottom has fallen out |
NYC Liberal |
Nov-01-11 03:13 PM |
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So, anything new from Darcy Richardson yet?... |
SidDithers |
Nov-07-11 08:02 PM |
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! |
Tarheel_Dem |
Nov-07-11 10:30 PM |
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hey! you spit water on me! thems.. fightin' woids! |
dionysus |
Nov-08-11 08:49 AM |
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Dion, don't fight me. Fight Darcy! |
Tarheel_Dem |
Nov-08-11 09:36 AM |
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i ain't messing with the Brothers of the Effed Up Teeth.... that's all you... |
dionysus |
Nov-08-11 09:55 AM |
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Quit it! You made me a pee a little bit! |
Tarheel_Dem |
Nov-08-11 10:42 AM |
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kick for FAIL! |
dionysus |
Nov-08-11 08:47 AM |
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Is anyone fooled into believing this isn't a bizarre face-saving effort by the OP? |
stevenleser |
Nov-08-11 11:04 AM |
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Too late to rec this. Plan to send a nominal donation soon. - n/t |
coalition_unwilling |
Nov-08-11 12:19 PM |
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In that case, allow me to interest you in this bridge I have for sale. You should see the traffic |
stevenleser |
Nov-08-11 12:23 PM |
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He'll soon have enough money... |
BklnDem75 |
Nov-08-11 12:25 PM |
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I think this thread needs to stay alive until after the NH primary...nt |
SidDithers |
Nov-15-11 09:07 PM |
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I think it needs to say alive... FOREVER... |
Number23 |
Nov-15-11 10:52 PM |
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WHO??? |
CakeGrrl |
Nov-15-11 10:56 PM |
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ABSOLUTELY *ZERO* REC'S. Life must be miserable for you, especially following a loser like HART! |
Liberal_Stalwart71 |
Nov-15-11 11:12 PM |
#126 |
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How many unrecs a thread get determines if an OP's life is miserable? Sounds as though you may need |
No Elephants |
Jan-11-12 02:28 PM |
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No thanks. A financial consultant and blogger?? |
madinmaryland |
Nov-16-11 10:55 AM |
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Well, it's been a week since we last checked... |
SidDithers |
Nov-23-11 03:10 PM |
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! |
Tarheel_Dem |
Nov-23-11 05:23 PM |
#129 |
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This thread would be a lot more fun if the OP hadn't fled the scene...nt |
SidDithers |
Nov-23-11 08:46 PM |
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Is Darcy a no-show? Did he find out that progressives wouldn't get behind a "financial consultant"? |
Tarheel_Dem |
Nov-23-11 08:58 PM |
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One last kick...nt |
SidDithers |
Dec-12-11 11:55 AM |
#132 |
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I'll kick your kick. |
Ikonoklast |
Dec-16-11 01:09 PM |
#134 |
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Kickin' your kick! |
Tarheel_Dem |
Dec-16-11 05:04 PM |
#135 |
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You guys are SO BAD! |
Number23 |
Dec-18-11 09:00 PM |
#136 |
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I'll give a kick...but, then I'm from the Viet Nam War Gen...so I'm biased.. |
KoKo |
Jan-06-12 07:40 PM |
#147 |
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NH Democratic Primary Results... |
SidDithers |
Jan-11-12 09:57 AM |
#148 |
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Who said it was going to be a squeaker? |
No Elephants |
Jan-11-12 02:29 PM |
#154 |
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Oh dear, this is the LAST thing we needed. |
AverageJoe90 |
Jan-14-12 11:46 PM |
#155 |
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