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28. Then don't expect that having a challenger now will improve Obama for the general election.
Edited on Sat Oct-29-11 01:57 PM by pnwmom
It's never helped any American President before now. Obama won't be the first. All it will do is suck up money and resources and give Rethugs fuel for the general.
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  -Darcy Richardson, aide to Senator Eugene McCarthy to continue his tradition, challenges Obama in NH! Hart2008  Oct-29-11 06:01 AM   #0 
  - Celebratory emoticons (Dial up warning)  Hart2008   Oct-29-11 06:02 AM   #1 
  - Oh great. McCarthy helped Nixon get elected.  pnwmom   Oct-29-11 06:12 AM   #2 
  - Bullshit! That was LBJ and his war. Still, Nixon needed RFK's death to win. NT  Hart2008   Oct-29-11 06:13 AM   #3 
  - No, he didn't: Nixon would've beaten RFK easier than he did Humphrey. Indeed, RFK was the candidate  apocalypsehow   Oct-30-11 12:59 AM   #54 
     - Uh, so that is why RFK was assassinated, to HURT NIXON?  Hart2008   Oct-30-11 02:24 PM   #63 
     - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Oct-30-11 03:50 PM   #72 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Nov-01-11 03:09 PM   #108 
     - What are you basing that on? I think the historical record suggests  coalition_unwilling   Nov-08-11 12:18 PM   #118 
     - LOL! And you know this how?  No Elephants   Dec-30-11 06:31 PM   #139 
  - The Vietnam War got Nixon elected.  leveymg   Oct-29-11 06:29 AM   #4 
  - Right on! NT  Hart2008   Oct-29-11 06:35 AM   #5 
  - self delete dupe.  Hart2008   Oct-29-11 06:35 AM   #6 
  - Then don't expect that having a challenger now will improve Obama for the general election.  pnwmom   Oct-29-11 01:57 PM   #28 
  - Don't worry. THere is no challenger now. This Darcy person is one of a dozen or so no-names that  stevenleser   Oct-29-11 08:46 PM   #46 
  - Assuming a primary challenger always hurts an incumbent has no grounding in reality.  No Elephants   Dec-30-11 06:39 PM   #141 
  - Yap, I still recall "Nixon has a secret plan to end Viet-Nam war"  golfguru   Oct-29-11 09:50 PM   #52 
  - The plan was to play politics with the war for four years to help his reelection. NT  Hart2008   Oct-30-11 02:21 PM   #62 
  - Good thing he kept it a secret. We don't cotton to no war ending.  No Elephants   Jan-11-12 02:11 PM   #149 
  - Nope, it most certainly did not. What got Nixon elected was stunts like McCarthy's, plus all the  apocalypsehow   Oct-30-11 01:13 AM   #56 
  - What polling data do you cite for the assertion that LBJ could have won in '68?  Hart2008   Oct-31-11 04:39 AM   #95 
  - I have studied the history closely and your account is, at the very  coalition_unwilling   Nov-08-11 12:29 PM   #122 
  - So how many shooting wars are we currently in?  golfguru   Dec-12-11 01:10 PM   #133 
  - No, Nixon's promise to end the war got Nixon elected. As did voting machines and the usual  No Elephants   Dec-30-11 06:33 PM   #140 
  - That was what I thought! Nothing to yee haw about.  MADem   Oct-29-11 06:54 AM   #7 
  - In order to remember history, one must first learn it in the first place.  Hart2008   Oct-29-11 06:59 AM   #9 
  - That's not quite accurate, either. Domestic unrest got Nixon elected.  MADem   Oct-29-11 07:41 AM   #17 
  - And McCarthy told the protesters to clean up and work within the system for change.  Hart2008   Oct-30-11 02:35 PM   #65 
  - Do you ever post a link?  No Elephants   Dec-30-11 06:49 PM   #145 
  - The simplistic assumption that a primary challenger HELPS an incumbent in the general election  pnwmom   Oct-29-11 01:54 PM   #26 
     - McCarthy and RFK helped the party in the general election by forcing LBJ back to his ranch.  Hart2008   Oct-29-11 02:03 PM   #29 
     - McCarthy never helped Humphrey in the general. Humphrey would have had a much  pnwmom   Oct-29-11 02:20 PM   #33 
     - McCarthy did endorse Humphrey in '68. LBJ wouldn't let HHH oppose the war.  Hart2008   Oct-30-11 02:53 PM   #67 
        - Actually LBJ did endorse Humphrey. Made radio addresses for him and appeared at the final big rally  WI_DEM   Oct-31-11 10:33 AM   #100 
     - True, LBJ had lost the support of the left and he never had the support of the right.  No Elephants   Dec-30-11 06:44 PM   #143 
     - The assumption that a primary challenger always hurts is even more simplistic.  No Elephants   Dec-30-11 06:48 PM   #144 
     - It does not square with some INTERPRETATIONs of history.  No Elephants   Jan-11-12 02:17 PM   #150 
  - LOL!  No Elephants   Dec-30-11 06:41 PM   #142 
  - McCarthy also supported Reagan in 1980,  bornskeptic   Oct-29-11 06:57 AM   #8 
  - The party moved to the right, and he refused to move right with it.  Hart2008   Oct-29-11 07:01 AM   #10 
  - So that justifies McCarthy's endorsement of Reagan in 1980....uhhhh, how, exactly?  apocalypsehow   Oct-30-11 01:04 AM   #55 
     - Even great men are occasionally wrong. He had deep philosophical issues with Carter's neoliberalism  Hart2008   Oct-30-11 02:49 PM   #66 
        - "McCarthy didn't think Reagan could be any worse" - That's the best you got? It's a pretty meager  apocalypsehow   Oct-30-11 04:07 PM   #74 
           - Uh, Eugene McCarthy isn't running this year.  Hart2008   Oct-30-11 04:15 PM   # 
           - By the bye, for those just catching up wondering why so many dodges and evasions and now this  apocalypsehow   Oct-30-11 04:19 PM   #81 
              - We are all wondering why you have so many dodges and evasions.NT  Hart2008   Oct-30-11 05:31 PM   #91 
              - LOL!  No Elephants   Dec-30-11 06:50 PM   #146 
           - Uh, Eugene McCarthy isn't running this year.  Hart2008   Oct-30-11 04:15 PM   #77 
              - Now you attempt to change the subject, again. I would too, if the facts were so inconveniently not  apocalypsehow   Oct-30-11 04:17 PM   #78 
                 - You want to judge a great Dem based on one error in his career?  Hart2008   Oct-30-11 04:19 PM   #80 
                    - Now you begin quoting the Bible: what's next in lieu of a factual rebuttal? A hymn?  apocalypsehow   Oct-30-11 04:24 PM   #84 
                    - "Silence is the true friend that never betrays."-Confucius NT  Hart2008   Oct-30-11 04:31 PM   #87 
                       - More fun with irrelevant quotes and other evasions in lieu of facts. Discussion concluded. n/t.  apocalypsehow   Oct-30-11 04:34 PM   #88 
                          - Discussion concluded without any facts referenced or cited by you.  Hart2008   Oct-31-11 04:37 AM   #94 
                    - I never "judged" McCarthy based on "one error": I judged his actions within the context of that "one  apocalypsehow   Oct-30-11 04:27 PM   #85 
                       - Try citing references for your "facts" which are so irrefutable.  Hart2008   Oct-31-11 04:35 AM   #93 
  - I'd forgotten about that. Ugh. n/t  pnwmom   Oct-29-11 01:55 PM   #27 
  - I actually knew him.  Scruffy1   Oct-30-11 12:16 AM   #53 
  - Which is to say that in '68 and '72 you think he would have been worse than Nixon?  Hart2008   Oct-30-11 03:38 PM   #70 
  - I once sat on a panel with a colleague whose assessment of him was the same. It was only anecdote,  apocalypsehow   Oct-30-11 05:44 PM   #92 
  - I can only wonder what assessment your colleagues and stuents have of your opinions.  Hart2008   Oct-31-11 04:44 AM   #96 
  - Unlike Nixon?  No Elephants   Jan-11-12 02:20 PM   #151 
  - McCarthy's challenge to LBJ was finance largely by one wealthy doner.  Hart2008   Oct-31-11 04:53 AM   #97 
  - Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, you can't get fooled again.  shotten99   Oct-31-11 10:38 AM   #101 
  - gee. who knew nixon would have beat RFK?  newspeak   Nov-01-11 12:53 PM   #106 
  - Explain to me what did McCarthy do to lead the augury of Nixon victory in 1968?  DisabledDem   Dec-24-11 04:50 PM   #137 
  - Bullshit.  No Elephants   Dec-30-11 06:30 PM   #138 
  - Bless his heart... The New Democrats, which he Chaired, are a centrist DLC faction.  jefferson_dem   Oct-29-11 07:15 AM   #11 
  - No, before Clinton, the New Dems were not DLCers.  Hart2008   Oct-29-11 07:19 AM   #12 
  - According to these articles from 1989, Hart didn't start it and wasn't actively involved  fishwax   Oct-29-11 03:10 PM   #39 
  - Sports handicapper?...  SidDithers   Oct-30-11 05:55 AM   #60 
  - Thanks for that info. I had thought the New Dems were always DLC shits.  No Elephants   Jan-11-12 02:24 PM   #152 
  - I think that's a different group  fishwax   Oct-29-11 03:00 PM   #37 
     - Right! The DLC stole the name to market itself. It sounded better than Repuke Lite.  Hart2008   Oct-30-11 02:19 PM   #61 
  - Seems Richardson may not be much of a Democrat after all...but likes to try to play spoiler.  jefferson_dem   Oct-29-11 07:24 AM   #13 
  - The banking industrys dirtiest secret is that its half socialist, and in the worst sense  Hart2008   Oct-29-11 07:27 AM   #14 
     - No, just that he's not actually a Democrat. He's run under the "Consumer Party" label too.  jefferson_dem   Oct-29-11 07:31 AM   #15 
        - And Leon Panetta and Robert Gates were Repukes who now serve in Obama's cabinet.  Hart2008   Oct-29-11 01:53 PM   #25 
        - OOOOPS! I forgot the former "Goldwater Girl" who is now Secretary of State! NT  Hart2008   Oct-30-11 02:58 PM   #68 
        - No-names that put themselves on Presidential primary ballots usually are pretty odd cats.  stevenleser   Oct-29-11 08:49 PM   #47 
  - Bwahahahahahahaha!!!!!  JoePhilly   Oct-29-11 07:31 AM   #16 
  - Who? Was he on 'Married with Children?'  BklnDem75   Oct-29-11 07:47 AM   #18 
  - Darcy will probably end up with about 5% of the NH vote. He and Hart2008 will proclaim victory.  WI_DEM   Oct-29-11 09:53 AM   #19 
  - According to the nationwide polls 20% of Dems want another candidate.  Hart2008   Oct-29-11 02:09 PM   #30 
  - Keep dreaming, old chum.  Arkana   Oct-29-11 02:57 PM   #35 
  - Have the 20% been clamoring for "Darcy"? They're even more eff'd up than previously thought.  Tarheel_Dem   Oct-30-11 02:09 AM   #57 
     - The 20% asked for democratic elections and Darcy answered their call. NT  Hart2008   Oct-30-11 03:50 PM   #73 
        - !  Tarheel_Dem   Oct-30-11 04:20 PM   #82 
  - He'll have to share the anti-Obama vote with twelve other candidates:  Freddie Stubbs   Nov-01-11 02:51 PM   #107 
  - Ahahahaha.  Arkana   Oct-29-11 10:02 AM   #20 
  - Mickey Mouse will get more votes.  Ikonoklast   Oct-29-11 10:07 AM   #21 
  - Did Mickey pay the $1000 filing fee? NT  Hart2008   Oct-29-11 02:10 PM   #31 
     - Unlike that nobody Darcy, Mickey knows better than to waste his money  Ikonoklast   Oct-29-11 02:59 PM   #36 
     - He doesn't need to. He's still a more credible candidate  Arkana   Oct-29-11 03:01 PM   #38 
        - And Mickey didn't waste $1000 like the other no-name losers. LMAO  stevenleser   Oct-29-11 08:54 PM   #50 
  - why not just accept the reality that President Obama is not going to have a serious challenger in  Douglas Carpenter   Oct-29-11 11:21 AM   #22 
  - OMGz!! How will Lee Mercer Jr respond?!?  tritsofme   Oct-29-11 12:17 PM   #23 
  - Bwaha  great white snark   Oct-29-11 12:21 PM   #24 
  - hehe n/t  fishwax   Oct-29-11 02:38 PM   #34 
  - Ha!  Number23   Oct-29-11 04:25 PM   #42 
  - Not 100% sure but I think a hotwire hookup will be employed somehow. nt  stevenleser   Oct-29-11 08:53 PM   #49 
  - darcy richardson is all up in lee mercers house with disease....  dionysus   Oct-31-11 10:46 AM   #102 
  - !  Tarheel_Dem   Oct-30-11 02:27 PM   #64 
  - Hey look, I found a picture of Gary Hart rising out of the pumpkin patch!  FSogol   Oct-29-11 02:11 PM   #32 
  - I think Charlie brown's sister Sally sums up the wait for the "Great Primary Opponent" very well ...  JoePhilly   Oct-29-11 04:05 PM   #40 
     - And the OP (as Linus)  FSogol   Oct-29-11 04:24 PM   #41 
        - You get to be Pig-Pen!!! NT  Hart2008   Oct-30-11 03:36 PM   #69 
  - NOBODY in the MSM even mentioned this. That's because this guy is not a serious candidate.  jenmito   Oct-29-11 08:12 PM   #43 
  - Exactly, there are always one or two dozen no-name losers who put their names on the prez primary  stevenleser   Oct-29-11 08:51 PM   #48 
  - Yup...  jenmito   Oct-29-11 09:12 PM   #51 
  - The M$M never reports any real news. That's why we have the Internet.  Hart2008   Oct-30-11 05:27 PM   #90 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Oct-29-11 08:36 PM   #44 
  - This is nothing special. There are always no-names who run. We knew that before this.  stevenleser   Oct-29-11 08:44 PM   #45 
  - "advertising manager and financial services consultant"  Tarheel_Dem   Oct-30-11 02:24 AM   #58 
  - ROFL...  SidDithers   Oct-30-11 05:53 AM   #59 
  - After 10 years working for Merril Lynch, I'm sure he's got a lot of great ideas to help the poor.  Robb   Oct-30-11 03:49 PM   #71 
  - I look forward to hearing his ideas regardless of his employer in this bad economy.  Hart2008   Oct-30-11 04:10 PM   #75 
  - He sent a ton of money to Nader in 2000, for crying out loud.  Robb   Oct-30-11 04:15 PM   #76 
     - Nader used to be Dem too before the DLC took over the party.  Hart2008   Oct-30-11 04:23 PM   #83 
        - And Lieberman used to be a Democrat, too.  Robb   Oct-30-11 04:30 PM   #86 
           - People like Lieberman and the DLC made old Dems reconsider the party.  Hart2008   Oct-30-11 04:36 PM   #89 
  - It'll be interesting to see how this goes over with the OWS protestors.  Tarheel_Dem   Oct-30-11 04:18 PM   #79 
     - Darcy Richardson/Cornel West 2012!11!11 feel it!!1!!  dionysus   Oct-31-11 10:28 AM   #99 
        - Aw Jeez. Is that what he looks like? He's got a fucked up grill for starters.  Tarheel_Dem   Oct-31-11 11:34 AM   #103 
  - oh happy day!!1!1!  dionysus   Oct-31-11 10:27 AM   #98 
  - The anti-Obama people are really scraping the bottom of the barrel  Freddie Stubbs   Oct-31-11 11:42 AM   #104 
  - Yup.  Splinter Cell   Oct-31-11 12:39 PM   #105 
  - They've been scraping so hard, the bottom has fallen out  NYC Liberal   Nov-01-11 03:13 PM   #109 
  - So, anything new from Darcy Richardson yet?...  SidDithers   Nov-07-11 08:02 PM   #110 
  - !  Tarheel_Dem   Nov-07-11 10:30 PM   #111 
     - hey! you spit water on me! thems.. fightin' woids!  dionysus   Nov-08-11 08:49 AM   #113 
        - Dion, don't fight me. Fight Darcy!  Tarheel_Dem   Nov-08-11 09:36 AM   #114 
           - i ain't messing with the Brothers of the Effed Up Teeth.... that's all you...  dionysus   Nov-08-11 09:55 AM   #115 
              - Quit it! You made me a pee a little bit!  Tarheel_Dem   Nov-08-11 10:42 AM   #116 
  - kick for FAIL!  dionysus   Nov-08-11 08:47 AM   #112 
  - Is anyone fooled into believing this isn't a bizarre face-saving effort by the OP?  stevenleser   Nov-08-11 11:04 AM   #117 
  - Too late to rec this. Plan to send a nominal donation soon. - n/t  coalition_unwilling   Nov-08-11 12:19 PM   #119 
  - In that case, allow me to interest you in this bridge I have for sale. You should see the traffic  stevenleser   Nov-08-11 12:23 PM   #120 
  - He'll soon have enough money...  BklnDem75   Nov-08-11 12:25 PM   #121 
  - I think this thread needs to stay alive until after the NH primary...nt  SidDithers   Nov-15-11 09:07 PM   #123 
  - I think it needs to say alive... FOREVER...  Number23   Nov-15-11 10:52 PM   #124 
     - WHO???  CakeGrrl   Nov-15-11 10:56 PM   #125 
  - ABSOLUTELY *ZERO* REC'S. Life must be miserable for you, especially following a loser like HART!  Liberal_Stalwart71   Nov-15-11 11:12 PM   #126 
  - How many unrecs a thread get determines if an OP's life is miserable? Sounds as though you may need  No Elephants   Jan-11-12 02:28 PM   #153 
  - No thanks. A financial consultant and blogger??  madinmaryland   Nov-16-11 10:55 AM   #127 
  - Well, it's been a week since we last checked...  SidDithers   Nov-23-11 03:10 PM   #128 
  - !  Tarheel_Dem   Nov-23-11 05:23 PM   #129 
     - This thread would be a lot more fun if the OP hadn't fled the scene...nt  SidDithers   Nov-23-11 08:46 PM   #130 
        - Is Darcy a no-show? Did he find out that progressives wouldn't get behind a "financial consultant"?  Tarheel_Dem   Nov-23-11 08:58 PM   #131 
  - One last kick...nt  SidDithers   Dec-12-11 11:55 AM   #132 
  - I'll kick your kick.  Ikonoklast   Dec-16-11 01:09 PM   #134 
     - Kickin' your kick!  Tarheel_Dem   Dec-16-11 05:04 PM   #135 
        - You guys are SO BAD!  Number23   Dec-18-11 09:00 PM   #136 
  - I'll give a kick...but, then I'm from the Viet Nam War I'm biased..  KoKo   Jan-06-12 07:40 PM   #147 
  - NH Democratic Primary Results...  SidDithers   Jan-11-12 09:57 AM   #148 
  - Who said it was going to be a squeaker?  No Elephants   Jan-11-12 02:29 PM   #154 
  - Oh dear, this is the LAST thing we needed.  AverageJoe90   Jan-14-12 11:46 PM   #155 

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