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Sun Oct-16-11 07:08 PM
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| 175. Reminds me of the CBC speech that was disparaged. |
| -Obama: MLK would not want us to vilify all who work on Wall Street |
Enrique |
Oct-16-11 11:11 AM |
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Backing Wall St? |
SHRED |
Oct-16-11 11:13 AM |
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That's probably true. |
proud2BlibKansan |
Oct-16-11 11:13 AM |
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Thanks for |
ProSense |
Oct-16-11 11:15 AM |
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thanks for putting random parts of my post in boldface |
Enrique |
Oct-16-11 11:16 AM |
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Oh |
ProSense |
Oct-16-11 11:18 AM |
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Let me be the second. Obama put words in MLK's mouth that aren't supported by history. |
yardwork |
Oct-16-11 11:19 AM |
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He didn't put ANY words in his mouth |
Empowerer |
Oct-16-11 01:41 PM |
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Oct-16-11 11:17 AM |
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Recced up to zero. |
yardwork |
Oct-16-11 11:20 AM |
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unrecced back down to zero |
AngkorWot |
Oct-16-11 11:23 AM |
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Welcome to DU. Your concern is noted. |
yardwork |
Oct-16-11 11:30 AM |
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right..does that include the workers who are putting people out of their houses? |
xiamiam |
Oct-16-11 11:22 AM |
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I don't think anyone is vilifying ALL who work on Wall Street |
tridim |
Oct-16-11 11:24 AM |
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Well |
ProSense |
Oct-16-11 11:28 AM |
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Which is why Obama's comment is a straw man, as the OP points out. |
yardwork |
Oct-16-11 11:30 AM |
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Actually |
ProSense |
Oct-16-11 11:32 AM |
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Exactly - NOBODY is vilifying everyone on Wall Street. |
polichick |
Oct-16-11 11:32 AM |
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Maybe YOU don't villify everyone on Wall Street but there are many DUers who do. |
PragmaticLiberal |
Oct-16-11 11:45 AM |
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This is about hating rich people or hating WS workers. I see plenty of RWr's on Facebook |
harun |
Oct-16-11 02:23 PM |
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Stop pretending like you speak for the entire movement. You do not, nor will you ever. |
phleshdef |
Oct-16-11 12:36 PM |
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What an irrational response to what I posted. fyi, I did not vote for Nader... |
polichick |
Oct-16-11 06:41 PM |
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So, you don't doubt the truth of the statement. You just don't like it when Obama says it? |
MjolnirTime |
Oct-16-11 11:30 AM |
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He didn't even say it. |
AngkorWot |
Oct-16-11 11:32 AM |
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I read the OP as pointing out that Obama's statement is a straw man. |
yardwork |
Oct-16-11 11:32 AM |
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straw man |
Enrique |
Oct-16-11 11:34 AM |
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Actually, I have nothing against the janitors that clean buildings on Wall Street |
saras |
Oct-16-11 11:32 AM |
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Well said. n/t |
Laelth |
Oct-16-11 11:42 AM |
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Yes that's what I was going to say! |
Rosa Luxemburg |
Oct-16-11 02:01 PM |
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Oct-16-11 11:41 AM |
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Oct-16-11 11:48 AM |
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Asking who MLK would want to villify's kind of like asking who Ghandi'd want to beat up, no? (nt) |
Posteritatis |
Oct-16-11 11:43 AM |
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Exactly. |
PragmaticLiberal |
Oct-16-11 11:50 AM |
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That's it. A point some here want to obscure. |
yardwork |
Oct-16-11 11:54 AM |
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He didn't mention OWS in his speech |
EffieBlack |
Oct-16-11 02:15 PM |
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MLK would have been walking right along with the ows protestors |
Evergreen Emerald |
Oct-16-11 11:44 AM |
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What a shamefully opportunistic thing to say. N/T |
EmeraldCityGrl |
Oct-16-11 11:46 AM |
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I wouldn't go THAT hard on the prez - he's just being a politician. |
polichick |
Oct-16-11 11:47 AM |
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Really? He calls on MLK? Really? |
Jakes Progress |
Oct-16-11 11:50 AM |
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Yea, why in the hell would he call on MLK in a SPEECH ABOUT MLK??? |
phleshdef |
Oct-16-11 12:17 PM |
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Why in hell would you write this? |
Jakes Progress |
Oct-16-11 03:58 PM |
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As so often happens... |
Anatos |
Oct-16-11 11:53 AM |
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I like how many pretend they aren't guilty of sweeping generalizations against financial workers. |
phleshdef |
Oct-16-11 12:23 PM |
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maybe you're missing the point |
Enrique |
Oct-16-11 12:30 PM |
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Thats a very regressive way to look at things. |
phleshdef |
Oct-16-11 12:42 PM |
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it's a matter of interests |
Enrique |
Oct-16-11 12:53 PM |
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If you have any faith in the movement, you shouldn't be worried about such things. |
phleshdef |
Oct-16-11 12:58 PM |
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the right-wing DOES try to co-opt the Civil Rights Movement |
Enrique |
Oct-16-11 01:06 PM |
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Trying doesn't mean shit. They've never successfully co-opted it and they never will. |
phleshdef |
Oct-16-11 01:20 PM |
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+1 Well said! |
loyalsister |
Oct-17-11 12:46 AM |
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Using King to rationalize Wall St. corruption? Awful. |
BlueIris |
Oct-16-11 12:26 PM |
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Your strawman argument is ridiculous but entirely expected. |
ClarkUSA |
Oct-16-11 12:29 PM |
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Oct-16-11 12:31 PM |
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Obama lives in a different universe than MLK nt |
msongs |
Oct-16-11 12:29 PM |
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Yea, the universe of the living. |
phleshdef |
Oct-16-11 12:32 PM |
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But, some could say the "Universe of the Privileged" also.. |
KoKo |
Oct-16-11 03:46 PM |
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Dr. King's sister and children, Kerry Kennedy, John Lewis |
Empowerer |
Oct-16-11 12:40 PM |
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I didn't have a big problem with it |
Enrique |
Oct-16-11 12:49 PM |
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I know what he said. I was there when he said it. |
Empowerer |
Oct-16-11 01:00 PM |
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I have a problem with what Obama said. |
yardwork |
Oct-16-11 01:23 PM |
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Did you listen to the entire speech? |
Empowerer |
Oct-16-11 01:25 PM |
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I read the entire official transcript. I don't agree with a lot of it. |
yardwork |
Oct-16-11 01:28 PM |
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Fine. You have a right to your opinion |
Empowerer |
Oct-16-11 01:43 PM |
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The fact that an anonymous poster on a political bulletin board claims |
yardwork |
Oct-16-11 01:48 PM |
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You have every right to post whatever you like where you choose |
Empowerer |
Oct-16-11 01:55 PM |
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I would hope that people you know have more credibility to you than an anonymous poster. |
yardwork |
Oct-16-11 02:00 PM |
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Hmmm? |
ProSense |
Oct-16-11 01:30 PM |
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I know what he said. I read the entire official transcript. |
yardwork |
Oct-16-11 01:32 PM |
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Oct-16-11 01:34 PM |
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Oct-16-11 01:37 PM |
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It is your opinion that I am misrepresenting. It is my opinion that I am not. /nt |
yardwork |
Oct-16-11 01:53 PM |
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We shouldn't "begrudge them their wealth." |
bvar22 |
Oct-16-11 12:47 PM |
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it's the American Dream |
Enrique |
Oct-16-11 12:57 PM |
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How typically DU to take a speech that was received as a positive and distort it to turn it into a |
Pirate Smile |
Oct-16-11 01:28 PM |
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The full quote of what he said here. (anyone offended by what he said must be nuts) |
phleshdef |
Oct-16-11 01:37 PM |
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You're right. |
Empowerer |
Oct-16-11 01:46 PM |
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That's your opinion. I don't agree with Obama's premise. I'm not offended. Just disagree. |
yardwork |
Oct-16-11 01:49 PM |
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Oct-16-11 02:05 PM |
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What exactly do you disagree with? |
EffieBlack |
Oct-16-11 02:09 PM |
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I've expressed my opinion in several places on this thread. |
yardwork |
Oct-16-11 02:10 PM |
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I missed the speech but after reading the context... |
BklnDem75 |
Oct-16-11 04:44 PM |
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Thanks for the context. That statement is very mild and is one sentence out of many |
Number23 |
Oct-16-11 06:32 PM |
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Reminds me of the CBC speech that was disparaged. |
joshcryer |
Oct-16-11 07:08 PM |
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Here's that sentence in context: |
Empowerer |
Oct-16-11 01:37 PM |
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Oct-16-11 01:49 PM |
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Oct-16-11 01:49 PM |
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as someone pointed out above, he's a politician |
Enrique |
Oct-16-11 02:01 PM |
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I'm shaken by the hatred expressed in this thread. The personal attacks are over the top. |
yardwork |
Oct-16-11 02:08 PM |
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The OP cherrypicked a phrase in order to demonize President Obama. |
ClarkUSA |
Oct-16-11 02:11 PM |
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And you're cherrypicking one phrase from a quote which also defends unions against vilification too. |
ClarkUSA |
Oct-16-11 02:08 PM |
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take any of my criticisms of Obama, and apply it to either Clinton |
Enrique |
Oct-16-11 02:15 PM |
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+1 |
yardwork |
Oct-16-11 02:16 PM |
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Oct-16-11 02:21 PM |
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I also defended Wesley Clark |
Enrique |
Oct-16-11 02:29 PM |
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Your OP is a cherrypicked paraphrase that distorts Pres. Obama's healing MLK speech into ugliness. |
ClarkUSA |
Oct-16-11 02:35 PM |
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Obamaphobia |
Anatos |
Oct-17-11 06:19 PM |
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Great post! |
EffieBlack |
Oct-17-11 06:26 PM |
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This is pointless |
Hutzpa |
Oct-16-11 02:04 PM |
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Your cherrypicking demonization is a FAIL.-->Obama: MLK would not want businessmen to vilify unions. |
ClarkUSA |
Oct-16-11 02:06 PM |
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yes, it's much more interesting in context |
Enrique |
Oct-16-11 02:09 PM |
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I missed that part, too. |
EffieBlack |
Oct-16-11 02:11 PM |
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That's a false statement. Keep digging. |
ClarkUSA |
Oct-16-11 02:13 PM |
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Do you think everyone who works on Wall Street is a crook? Some do. |
MjolnirTime |
Oct-16-11 02:09 PM |
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yeah, and there was a guy there with a sign blaming the Jews |
Enrique |
Oct-16-11 02:20 PM |
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So you agree with the Teabaggers who claim that the ObamaNazi guy isn't one of them? |
MjolnirTime |
Oct-16-11 02:59 PM |
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What's "a good number?" 1 million? 1 thousand? 100? |
ClassWarrior |
Oct-16-11 03:34 PM |
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How about people right here at DU? People who claim to be representative of OWS. |
MjolnirTime |
Oct-16-11 03:45 PM |
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You didn't answer my question. |
ClassWarrior |
Oct-16-11 03:47 PM |
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Did the segregationists not have law on their side too? Did their adherence to the law exempt... |
JVS |
Oct-16-11 05:51 PM |
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Oct-16-11 02:15 PM |
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Oct-16-11 02:23 PM |
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OP is a cherrypicked paraphase designed to excite disgust at Pres. Obama. What O said in context-> |
ClarkUSA |
Oct-16-11 02:26 PM |
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I read the context before writing my response |
LittleBlue |
Oct-16-11 02:35 PM |
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Then you could care less about MLK's message also. Gotcha. |
ClarkUSA |
Oct-16-11 02:36 PM |
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LOL |
EffieBlack |
Oct-16-11 02:38 PM |
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MLK is a better man than I am |
LittleBlue |
Oct-16-11 02:43 PM |
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President Obama wasn't doing that or saying that. You're missing his message completely. |
ClarkUSA |
Oct-16-11 02:46 PM |
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No, he was using a logically fallacious argument to prove |
LittleBlue |
Oct-16-11 02:50 PM |
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You're taking his thoughtful, wise words & making a strawman argument. Nowhere did he cast blame. |
ClarkUSA |
Oct-16-11 02:59 PM |
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No Clark, it's a strawman |
LittleBlue |
Oct-16-11 03:05 PM |
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That's a false narrative you're pushing. Quote exactly what Pres. O said that outrages you so much. |
ClarkUSA |
Oct-16-11 03:12 PM |
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Right here |
LittleBlue |
Oct-16-11 03:16 PM |
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You are missing his points completely.He was defending protesters' right to challenge Wall Street... |
ClarkUSA |
Oct-16-11 03:22 PM |
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He used a logical fallacy to do it. Look, I can do it too |
LittleBlue |
Oct-16-11 03:27 PM |
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No, you're using a strawman fallacy to distort his wise words that caution against demonization. |
ClarkUSA |
Oct-16-11 03:29 PM |
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No one is demonizing. |
LittleBlue |
Oct-16-11 03:32 PM |
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President Obama said no one should do so, just because they disagree with protesters or businessmen. |
ClarkUSA |
Oct-16-11 03:40 PM |
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This is about OWS, not some Republican you read somewhere |
LittleBlue |
Oct-16-11 03:49 PM |
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This is not about OWS. It is about President Obama's full context which didn't mention OWS... |
ClarkUSA |
Oct-16-11 04:02 PM |
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Let me get this straight. You think |
LittleBlue |
Oct-16-11 04:22 PM |
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Oct-16-11 04:30 PM |
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Pres. Obama spoke in allegory. His other references, which you're ignoring, are similarly framed. |
ClarkUSA |
Oct-16-11 06:06 PM |
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He didn't even MENTION OWS! |
EffieBlack |
Oct-16-11 03:12 PM |
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Oh really? |
LittleBlue |
Oct-16-11 03:41 PM |
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NEITHER DID THE OP!! |
ClassWarrior |
Oct-16-11 04:21 PM |
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I can imagine how much you must hate listening to Dr. King's speeches |
EffieBlack |
Oct-16-11 02:37 PM |
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I could believe in hope if we had someone to place that hope in |
LittleBlue |
Oct-16-11 02:45 PM |
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Then maybe you should seek out a civil rights leader to put your hopes in . . . |
EffieBlack |
Oct-16-11 03:13 PM |
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Maybe I should go to church and not bother voting. |
LittleBlue |
Oct-16-11 03:38 PM |
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Oct-16-11 02:29 PM |
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Strong K&R. And what strikes me most about the responses |
woo me with science |
Oct-16-11 03:20 PM |
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Oy vay. Your conclusion reminds me of how sailors would see a manatee and swear it was a mermaid. |
ClarkUSA |
Oct-16-11 03:25 PM |
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+100000 |
LittleBlue |
Oct-16-11 03:39 PM |
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Well said. |
ClassWarrior |
Oct-16-11 03:40 PM |
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Really? |
ProSense |
Oct-16-11 03:45 PM |
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Yes, really |
LittleBlue |
Oct-16-11 03:53 PM |
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And |
ProSense |
Oct-16-11 04:02 PM |
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self delete... double post... |
ClassWarrior |
Oct-16-11 03:53 PM |
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Do you believe that Corporate America routinely vilifies the right to collective bargain? |
ClassWarrior |
Oct-16-11 03:54 PM |
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? |
ClassWarrior |
Oct-16-11 04:05 PM |
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Hmmm? |
ProSense |
Oct-16-11 04:05 PM |
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That's a yes. So do you believe that unemployed workers routinely demonize everyone who... |
ClassWarrior |
Oct-16-11 04:09 PM |
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Well?... |
ClassWarrior |
Oct-16-11 04:19 PM |
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Actually, |
ProSense |
Oct-16-11 04:25 PM |
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Oct-16-11 04:28 PM |
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Are you for real? |
LittleBlue |
Oct-16-11 04:33 PM |
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More |
ProSense |
Oct-16-11 04:50 PM |
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You're right on one point, by the way. It's a strawman, a false equivalency and it doesn't even... |
ClassWarrior |
Oct-16-11 04:52 PM |
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That's |
ProSense |
Oct-16-11 04:55 PM |
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That's |
ClassWarrior |
Oct-16-11 05:13 PM |
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Really?? You want us to believe that the Prez's statement actually SUPPORTS THE PROTESTERS?? |
ClassWarrior |
Oct-16-11 04:59 PM |
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Good points. |
yardwork |
Oct-16-11 05:17 PM |
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Damn just Damn! |
workinclasszero |
Oct-16-11 03:40 PM |
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You got all that from a cherrypicked paraphrase that conveniently ignores full context? Damn. |
ClarkUSA |
Oct-16-11 03:46 PM |
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True to form, President Obama tip-toes expertly down the middle, |
bvar22 |
Oct-16-11 04:49 PM |
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Rev 3:16 - So, because you are lukewarm, and neither hot nor cold, I will spit you out of my mouth. |
yardwork |
Oct-16-11 05:21 PM |
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That might apply to Roast Beef Sandwiches, |
bvar22 |
Oct-16-11 06:45 PM |
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I agree, which was my point. No lukewarm. Jesus didn't like it either. |
yardwork |
Oct-16-11 09:45 PM |
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How does giving credence to a RW lie about the protesters "tip-toe down the middle??" |
ClassWarrior |
Oct-16-11 06:57 PM |
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Huge Unrec |
BklnDem75 |
Oct-16-11 04:55 PM |
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Unrec. You should have posted the FULL quote. |
Tx4obama |
Oct-16-11 05:29 PM |
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Do you believe that Corporate America routinely vilifies the right to collectively bargain? |
ClassWarrior |
Oct-16-11 05:30 PM |
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YES. See Citizens United, Americans for Progress and Citizens for a Sound economy. |
Mimosa |
Oct-16-11 05:43 PM |
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Do you believe that unemployed workers routinely demonize everyone who works on Wall Street? |
ClassWarrior |
Oct-16-11 05:51 PM |
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Heck no. |
Mimosa |
Oct-16-11 06:02 PM |
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Then the President's statement is a false equivalency. |
ClassWarrior |
Oct-16-11 06:05 PM |
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Look at what the Obama administration does with teachers' unions. |
JVS |
Oct-16-11 07:17 PM |
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I really have a hard time imagining MLK speaking up on behalf of the persecuted of Wall Street |
JVS |
Oct-16-11 05:49 PM |
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I don't. I'm sure there are minimum wage workers on Wall Street who need a defender, just like... |
ClassWarrior |
Oct-16-11 06:31 PM |
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I don't think that the janitors on wall street are the ones Obama is talking about. |
JVS |
Oct-16-11 07:14 PM |
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Link to the ENTIRE speech by Pres. O in full context, not the OP's cherrypicked paraphrase. --> |
ClarkUSA |
Oct-16-11 06:33 PM |
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Obama Bad Obama Bad Obama Bad |
JoePhilly |
Oct-16-11 06:47 PM |
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i have nothing against secretaries and janitors who work there. |
dionysus |
Oct-16-11 07:10 PM |
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I'm going Godwin on this one. That's like challenging the injustice of the Nazi regime... |
JVS |
Oct-16-11 07:16 PM |
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No, it's not. Not even close. |
Empowerer |
Oct-16-11 07:19 PM |
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What would those who have lost family members on the altar of Wall Street's greed have to say? |
JVS |
Oct-16-11 07:24 PM |
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Wow. |
Empowerer |
Oct-17-11 10:33 PM |
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"Banksters" |
boppers |
Oct-16-11 10:27 PM |
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"Also, he'd be WAAAY into outsourcing. You know, statues, etc..." nt |
Romulox |
Oct-16-11 11:28 PM |
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the actual speech is good |
Skittles |
Oct-17-11 12:20 AM |
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If you think that was a pro-Wall Street statement, you're mistaken. |
boxman15 |
Oct-17-11 10:58 PM |
#190 |
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