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Response to Reply #148
151. More
"Are you for real?"

...real than the faux outrage.

"That doesn't make any sense."

It makes perfect sense, but hey, keep trying to gin up outrage by trying to spin one line in a great speech.

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  -Obama: MLK would not want us to vilify all who work on Wall Street Enrique  Oct-16-11 11:11 AM   #0 
  - Backing Wall St?  SHRED   Oct-16-11 11:13 AM   #1 
  - That's probably true.  proud2BlibKansan   Oct-16-11 11:13 AM   #2 
  - Thanks for  ProSense   Oct-16-11 11:15 AM   #3 
  - thanks for putting random parts of my post in boldface  Enrique   Oct-16-11 11:16 AM   #4 
  - Oh  ProSense   Oct-16-11 11:18 AM   #6 
  - Let me be the second. Obama put words in MLK's mouth that aren't supported by history.  yardwork   Oct-16-11 11:19 AM   #7 
     - He didn't put ANY words in his mouth  Empowerer   Oct-16-11 01:41 PM   #63 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Oct-16-11 11:17 AM   #5 
  - Recced up to zero.  yardwork   Oct-16-11 11:20 AM   #8 
  - unrecced back down to zero  AngkorWot   Oct-16-11 11:23 AM   #10 
     - Welcome to DU. Your concern is noted.  yardwork   Oct-16-11 11:30 AM   #15 
  - right..does that include the workers who are putting people out of their houses?  xiamiam   Oct-16-11 11:22 AM   #9 
  - I don't think anyone is vilifying ALL who work on Wall Street  tridim   Oct-16-11 11:24 AM   #11 
  - Well  ProSense   Oct-16-11 11:28 AM   #12 
  - Which is why Obama's comment is a straw man, as the OP points out.  yardwork   Oct-16-11 11:30 AM   #13 
     - Actually  ProSense   Oct-16-11 11:32 AM   #16 
     - Exactly - NOBODY is vilifying everyone on Wall Street.  polichick   Oct-16-11 11:32 AM   #17 
        - Maybe YOU don't villify everyone on Wall Street but there are many DUers who do.  PragmaticLiberal   Oct-16-11 11:45 AM   #26 
        - This is about hating rich people or hating WS workers. I see plenty of RWr's on Facebook  harun   Oct-16-11 02:23 PM   #94 
        - Stop pretending like you speak for the entire movement. You do not, nor will you ever.  phleshdef   Oct-16-11 12:36 PM   #42 
           - What an irrational response to what I posted. fyi, I did not vote for Nader...  polichick   Oct-16-11 06:41 PM   #171 
  - So, you don't doubt the truth of the statement. You just don't like it when Obama says it?  MjolnirTime   Oct-16-11 11:30 AM   #14 
  - He didn't even say it.  AngkorWot   Oct-16-11 11:32 AM   #18 
  - I read the OP as pointing out that Obama's statement is a straw man.  yardwork   Oct-16-11 11:32 AM   #20 
  - straw man  Enrique   Oct-16-11 11:34 AM   #21 
  - Actually, I have nothing against the janitors that clean buildings on Wall Street  saras   Oct-16-11 11:32 AM   #19 
  - Well said. n/t  Laelth   Oct-16-11 11:42 AM   #23 
  - Yes that's what I was going to say!  Rosa Luxemburg   Oct-16-11 02:01 PM   #73 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Oct-16-11 11:41 AM   #22 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Oct-16-11 11:48 AM   #29 
  - Asking who MLK would want to villify's kind of like asking who Ghandi'd want to beat up, no? (nt)  Posteritatis   Oct-16-11 11:43 AM   #24 
  - Exactly.  PragmaticLiberal   Oct-16-11 11:50 AM   #30 
  - That's it. A point some here want to obscure.  yardwork   Oct-16-11 11:54 AM   #33 
     - He didn't mention OWS in his speech  EffieBlack   Oct-16-11 02:15 PM   #87 
  - MLK would have been walking right along with the ows protestors  Evergreen Emerald   Oct-16-11 11:44 AM   #25 
  - What a shamefully opportunistic thing to say. N/T  EmeraldCityGrl   Oct-16-11 11:46 AM   #27 
  - I wouldn't go THAT hard on the prez - he's just being a politician.  polichick   Oct-16-11 11:47 AM   #28 
  - Really? He calls on MLK? Really?  Jakes Progress   Oct-16-11 11:50 AM   #31 
  - Yea, why in the hell would he call on MLK in a SPEECH ABOUT MLK???  phleshdef   Oct-16-11 12:17 PM   #34 
     - Why in hell would you write this?  Jakes Progress   Oct-16-11 03:58 PM   #136 
  - As so often happens...  Anatos   Oct-16-11 11:53 AM   #32 
  - I like how many pretend they aren't guilty of sweeping generalizations against financial workers.  phleshdef   Oct-16-11 12:23 PM   #35 
  - maybe you're missing the point  Enrique   Oct-16-11 12:30 PM   #39 
     - Thats a very regressive way to look at things.  phleshdef   Oct-16-11 12:42 PM   #44 
        - it's a matter of interests  Enrique   Oct-16-11 12:53 PM   #47 
           - If you have any faith in the movement, you shouldn't be worried about such things.  phleshdef   Oct-16-11 12:58 PM   #49 
              - the right-wing DOES try to co-opt the Civil Rights Movement  Enrique   Oct-16-11 01:06 PM   #51 
                 - Trying doesn't mean shit. They've never successfully co-opted it and they never will.  phleshdef   Oct-16-11 01:20 PM   #52 
                    - +1 Well said!  loyalsister   Oct-17-11 12:46 AM   #186 
  - Using King to rationalize Wall St. corruption? Awful.  BlueIris   Oct-16-11 12:26 PM   #36 
  - Your strawman argument is ridiculous but entirely expected.  ClarkUSA   Oct-16-11 12:29 PM   #38 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Oct-16-11 12:31 PM   #40 
  - Obama lives in a different universe than MLK nt  msongs   Oct-16-11 12:29 PM   #37 
  - Yea, the universe of the living.  phleshdef   Oct-16-11 12:32 PM   #41 
     - But, some could say the "Universe of the Privileged" also..  KoKo   Oct-16-11 03:46 PM   #130 
  - Dr. King's sister and children, Kerry Kennedy, John Lewis  Empowerer   Oct-16-11 12:40 PM   #43 
  - I didn't have a big problem with it  Enrique   Oct-16-11 12:49 PM   #46 
     - I know what he said. I was there when he said it.  Empowerer   Oct-16-11 01:00 PM   #50 
        - I have a problem with what Obama said.  yardwork   Oct-16-11 01:23 PM   #53 
           - Did you listen to the entire speech?  Empowerer   Oct-16-11 01:25 PM   #54 
           - I read the entire official transcript. I don't agree with a lot of it.  yardwork   Oct-16-11 01:28 PM   #55 
              - Fine. You have a right to your opinion  Empowerer   Oct-16-11 01:43 PM   #64 
                 - The fact that an anonymous poster on a political bulletin board claims  yardwork   Oct-16-11 01:48 PM   #66 
                    - You have every right to post whatever you like where you choose  Empowerer   Oct-16-11 01:55 PM   #71 
                       - I would hope that people you know have more credibility to you than an anonymous poster.  yardwork   Oct-16-11 02:00 PM   #72 
           - Hmmm?  ProSense   Oct-16-11 01:30 PM   #57 
              - I know what he said. I read the entire official transcript.  yardwork   Oct-16-11 01:32 PM   #58 
                 - Deleted message  Name removed   Oct-16-11 01:34 PM   #59 
                    - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Oct-16-11 01:37 PM   #61 
                    - It is your opinion that I am misrepresenting. It is my opinion that I am not. /nt  yardwork   Oct-16-11 01:53 PM   #70 
  - We shouldn't "begrudge them their wealth."  bvar22   Oct-16-11 12:47 PM   #45 
  - it's the American Dream  Enrique   Oct-16-11 12:57 PM   #48 
  - How typically DU to take a speech that was received as a positive and distort it to turn it into a  Pirate Smile   Oct-16-11 01:28 PM   #56 
  - The full quote of what he said here. (anyone offended by what he said must be nuts)  phleshdef   Oct-16-11 01:37 PM   #60 
  - You're right.  Empowerer   Oct-16-11 01:46 PM   #65 
  - That's your opinion. I don't agree with Obama's premise. I'm not offended. Just disagree.  yardwork   Oct-16-11 01:49 PM   #69 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Oct-16-11 02:05 PM   #76 
  - What exactly do you disagree with?  EffieBlack   Oct-16-11 02:09 PM   #80 
     - I've expressed my opinion in several places on this thread.  yardwork   Oct-16-11 02:10 PM   #83 
  - I missed the speech but after reading the context...  BklnDem75   Oct-16-11 04:44 PM   #149 
  - Thanks for the context. That statement is very mild and is one sentence out of many  Number23   Oct-16-11 06:32 PM   #169 
  - Reminds me of the CBC speech that was disparaged.  joshcryer   Oct-16-11 07:08 PM   #175 
  - Here's that sentence in context:  Empowerer   Oct-16-11 01:37 PM   #62 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Oct-16-11 01:49 PM   #67 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Oct-16-11 01:49 PM   #68 
  - as someone pointed out above, he's a politician  Enrique   Oct-16-11 02:01 PM   #74 
     - I'm shaken by the hatred expressed in this thread. The personal attacks are over the top.  yardwork   Oct-16-11 02:08 PM   #78 
     - The OP cherrypicked a phrase in order to demonize President Obama.  ClarkUSA   Oct-16-11 02:11 PM   #84 
     - And you're cherrypicking one phrase from a quote which also defends unions against vilification too.  ClarkUSA   Oct-16-11 02:08 PM   #79 
     - take any of my criticisms of Obama, and apply it to either Clinton  Enrique   Oct-16-11 02:15 PM   #89 
        - +1  yardwork   Oct-16-11 02:16 PM   #90 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   Oct-16-11 02:21 PM   #92 
           - I also defended Wesley Clark  Enrique   Oct-16-11 02:29 PM   #96 
              - Your OP is a cherrypicked paraphrase that distorts Pres. Obama's healing MLK speech into ugliness.  ClarkUSA   Oct-16-11 02:35 PM   #99 
     - Obamaphobia  Anatos   Oct-17-11 06:19 PM   #187 
        - Great post!  EffieBlack   Oct-17-11 06:26 PM   #188 
  - This is pointless  Hutzpa   Oct-16-11 02:04 PM   #75 
  - Your cherrypicking demonization is a FAIL.-->Obama: MLK would not want businessmen to vilify unions.  ClarkUSA   Oct-16-11 02:06 PM   #77 
  - yes, it's much more interesting in context  Enrique   Oct-16-11 02:09 PM   #82 
     - I missed that part, too.  EffieBlack   Oct-16-11 02:11 PM   #85 
     - That's a false statement. Keep digging.  ClarkUSA   Oct-16-11 02:13 PM   #86 
  - Do you think everyone who works on Wall Street is a crook? Some do.  MjolnirTime   Oct-16-11 02:09 PM   #81 
  - yeah, and there was a guy there with a sign blaming the Jews  Enrique   Oct-16-11 02:20 PM   #91 
  - So you agree with the Teabaggers who claim that the ObamaNazi guy isn't one of them?  MjolnirTime   Oct-16-11 02:59 PM   #107 
     - What's "a good number?" 1 million? 1 thousand? 100?  ClassWarrior   Oct-16-11 03:34 PM   #120 
        - How about people right here at DU? People who claim to be representative of OWS.  MjolnirTime   Oct-16-11 03:45 PM   #127 
           - You didn't answer my question.  ClassWarrior   Oct-16-11 03:47 PM   #131 
  - Did the segregationists not have law on their side too? Did their adherence to the law exempt...  JVS   Oct-16-11 05:51 PM   #164 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Oct-16-11 02:15 PM   #88 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Oct-16-11 02:23 PM   #93 
  - OP is a cherrypicked paraphase designed to excite disgust at Pres. Obama. What O said in context->  ClarkUSA   Oct-16-11 02:26 PM   #95 
     - I read the context before writing my response  LittleBlue   Oct-16-11 02:35 PM   #98 
        - Then you could care less about MLK's message also. Gotcha.  ClarkUSA   Oct-16-11 02:36 PM   #100 
        - LOL  EffieBlack   Oct-16-11 02:38 PM   #102 
        - MLK is a better man than I am  LittleBlue   Oct-16-11 02:43 PM   #103 
           - President Obama wasn't doing that or saying that. You're missing his message completely.  ClarkUSA   Oct-16-11 02:46 PM   #105 
              - No, he was using a logically fallacious argument to prove  LittleBlue   Oct-16-11 02:50 PM   #106 
                 - You're taking his thoughtful, wise words & making a strawman argument. Nowhere did he cast blame.  ClarkUSA   Oct-16-11 02:59 PM   #108 
                    - No Clark, it's a strawman  LittleBlue   Oct-16-11 03:05 PM   #109 
                    - That's a false narrative you're pushing. Quote exactly what Pres. O said that outrages you so much.  ClarkUSA   Oct-16-11 03:12 PM   #111 
                       - Right here  LittleBlue   Oct-16-11 03:16 PM   #113 
                          - You are missing his points completely.He was defending protesters' right to challenge Wall Street...  ClarkUSA   Oct-16-11 03:22 PM   #115 
                             - He used a logical fallacy to do it. Look, I can do it too  LittleBlue   Oct-16-11 03:27 PM   #117 
                                - No, you're using a strawman fallacy to distort his wise words that caution against demonization.  ClarkUSA   Oct-16-11 03:29 PM   #118 
                                   - No one is demonizing.  LittleBlue   Oct-16-11 03:32 PM   #119 
                                      - President Obama said no one should do so, just because they disagree with protesters or businessmen.  ClarkUSA   Oct-16-11 03:40 PM   #124 
                                         - This is about OWS, not some Republican you read somewhere  LittleBlue   Oct-16-11 03:49 PM   #132 
                                            - This is not about OWS. It is about President Obama's full context which didn't mention OWS...  ClarkUSA   Oct-16-11 04:02 PM   #138 
                                               - Let me get this straight. You think  LittleBlue   Oct-16-11 04:22 PM   #144 
                                               - Deleted message  Name removed   Oct-16-11 04:30 PM   #147 
                                               - Pres. Obama spoke in allegory. His other references, which you're ignoring, are similarly framed.  ClarkUSA   Oct-16-11 06:06 PM   #167 
                    - He didn't even MENTION OWS!  EffieBlack   Oct-16-11 03:12 PM   #110 
                       - Oh really?  LittleBlue   Oct-16-11 03:41 PM   #126 
                       - NEITHER DID THE OP!!  ClassWarrior   Oct-16-11 04:21 PM   #143 
        - I can imagine how much you must hate listening to Dr. King's speeches  EffieBlack   Oct-16-11 02:37 PM   #101 
           - I could believe in hope if we had someone to place that hope in  LittleBlue   Oct-16-11 02:45 PM   #104 
              - Then maybe you should seek out a civil rights leader to put your hopes in . . .  EffieBlack   Oct-16-11 03:13 PM   #112 
                 - Maybe I should go to church and not bother voting.  LittleBlue   Oct-16-11 03:38 PM   #121 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Oct-16-11 02:29 PM   #97 
  - Strong K&R. And what strikes me most about the responses  woo me with science   Oct-16-11 03:20 PM   #114 
  - Oy vay. Your conclusion reminds me of how sailors would see a manatee and swear it was a mermaid.  ClarkUSA   Oct-16-11 03:25 PM   #116 
  - +100000  LittleBlue   Oct-16-11 03:39 PM   #122 
  - Well said.  ClassWarrior   Oct-16-11 03:40 PM   #123 
  - Really?  ProSense   Oct-16-11 03:45 PM   #128 
     - Yes, really  LittleBlue   Oct-16-11 03:53 PM   #133 
     - And  ProSense   Oct-16-11 04:02 PM   #137 
     - self delete... double post...  ClassWarrior   Oct-16-11 03:53 PM   #134 
     - Do you believe that Corporate America routinely vilifies the right to collective bargain?  ClassWarrior   Oct-16-11 03:54 PM   #135 
        - ?  ClassWarrior   Oct-16-11 04:05 PM   #139 
        - Hmmm?  ProSense   Oct-16-11 04:05 PM   #140 
           - That's a yes. So do you believe that unemployed workers routinely demonize everyone who...  ClassWarrior   Oct-16-11 04:09 PM   #141 
              - Well?...  ClassWarrior   Oct-16-11 04:19 PM   #142 
              - Actually,  ProSense   Oct-16-11 04:25 PM   #145 
                 - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Oct-16-11 04:28 PM   #146 
                 - Are you for real?  LittleBlue   Oct-16-11 04:33 PM   #148 
                 - More  ProSense   Oct-16-11 04:50 PM   #151 
                 - You're right on one point, by the way. It's a strawman, a false equivalency and it doesn't even...  ClassWarrior   Oct-16-11 04:52 PM   #152 
                 - That's  ProSense   Oct-16-11 04:55 PM   #154 
                    - That's  ClassWarrior   Oct-16-11 05:13 PM   #156 
                 - Really?? You want us to believe that the Prez's statement actually SUPPORTS THE PROTESTERS??  ClassWarrior   Oct-16-11 04:59 PM   #155 
  - Good points.  yardwork   Oct-16-11 05:17 PM   #157 
  - Damn just Damn!  workinclasszero   Oct-16-11 03:40 PM   #125 
  - You got all that from a cherrypicked paraphrase that conveniently ignores full context? Damn.  ClarkUSA   Oct-16-11 03:46 PM   #129 
  - True to form, President Obama tip-toes expertly down the middle,  bvar22   Oct-16-11 04:49 PM   #150 
  - Rev 3:16 - So, because you are lukewarm, and neither hot nor cold, I will spit you out of my mouth.  yardwork   Oct-16-11 05:21 PM   #158 
  - That might apply to Roast Beef Sandwiches,  bvar22   Oct-16-11 06:45 PM   #172 
     - I agree, which was my point. No lukewarm. Jesus didn't like it either.  yardwork   Oct-16-11 09:45 PM   #182 
  - How does giving credence to a RW lie about the protesters "tip-toe down the middle??"  ClassWarrior   Oct-16-11 06:57 PM   #174 
  - Huge Unrec  BklnDem75   Oct-16-11 04:55 PM   #153 
  - Unrec. You should have posted the FULL quote.  Tx4obama   Oct-16-11 05:29 PM   #159 
  - Do you believe that Corporate America routinely vilifies the right to collectively bargain?  ClassWarrior   Oct-16-11 05:30 PM   #160 
     - YES. See Citizens United, Americans for Progress and Citizens for a Sound economy.  Mimosa   Oct-16-11 05:43 PM   #161 
     - Do you believe that unemployed workers routinely demonize everyone who works on Wall Street?  ClassWarrior   Oct-16-11 05:51 PM   #163 
        - Heck no.  Mimosa   Oct-16-11 06:02 PM   #165 
           - Then the President's statement is a false equivalency.  ClassWarrior   Oct-16-11 06:05 PM   #166 
     - Look at what the Obama administration does with teachers' unions.  JVS   Oct-16-11 07:17 PM   #179 
  - I really have a hard time imagining MLK speaking up on behalf of the persecuted of Wall Street  JVS   Oct-16-11 05:49 PM   #162 
  - I don't. I'm sure there are minimum wage workers on Wall Street who need a defender, just like...  ClassWarrior   Oct-16-11 06:31 PM   #168 
     - I don't think that the janitors on wall street are the ones Obama is talking about.  JVS   Oct-16-11 07:14 PM   #177 
  - Link to the ENTIRE speech by Pres. O in full context, not the OP's cherrypicked paraphrase. -->  ClarkUSA   Oct-16-11 06:33 PM   #170 
  - Obama Bad Obama Bad Obama Bad  JoePhilly   Oct-16-11 06:47 PM   #173 
  - i have nothing against secretaries and janitors who work there.  dionysus   Oct-16-11 07:10 PM   #176 
  - I'm going Godwin on this one. That's like challenging the injustice of the Nazi regime...  JVS   Oct-16-11 07:16 PM   #178 
  - No, it's not. Not even close.  Empowerer   Oct-16-11 07:19 PM   #180 
     - What would those who have lost family members on the altar of Wall Street's greed have to say?  JVS   Oct-16-11 07:24 PM   #181 
        - Wow.  Empowerer   Oct-17-11 10:33 PM   #189 
  - "Banksters"  boppers   Oct-16-11 10:27 PM   #183 
  - "Also, he'd be WAAAY into outsourcing. You know, statues, etc..." nt  Romulox   Oct-16-11 11:28 PM   #184 
  - the actual speech is good  Skittles   Oct-17-11 12:20 AM   #185 
  - If you think that was a pro-Wall Street statement, you're mistaken.  boxman15   Oct-17-11 10:58 PM   #190 

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